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RandyK said:
While I'm sad that my friend went home, I know that's what he wanted. So, I would just ask you: what do you want? Don't make a quick decision, because God hears our thoughts. If you're sitll doing good here, and I think you are, I'd prefer you stay. But sometimes God hears what *you* have to say. Or, you may simply want to hear what *He* has to say?
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Thank you for your vote of confidence. I’ve just finished a chapter in my life that I call ‘rock art.’ In heaven, precious stones will be far more common than they are here.

There is a lot of math and science in art, and I especially enjoy physics and geometry. My son is a computer engineer, and he’s more into advanced algebra—but I never cared much for all those formulas!

Lately, I’ve been working with AI, which is an incredible tool. People often come up with great story ideas, but they rarely finish them. I’ve been developing and expanding stories using AI, making creative choices to take them in exciting directions.

I am also committed to preserving our family legacy. I have many of our family photos and have been collaborating with the historical society to digitize them. The most famous figure in our lineage was Ambrose Bierce—his works are still required reading today. I think I inherited a bit of his sarcasm, and that might cause me trouble.

I just have to be careful that God isn’t displeased with the things I laugh at and find amusing.

 
Elijah7777 said:
Thank you for your vote of confidence. I’ve just finished a chapter in my life that I call ‘rock art.’ In heaven, precious stones will be far more common than they are here.

There is a lot of math and science in art, and I especially enjoy physics and geometry. My son is a computer engineer, and he’s more into advanced algebra—but I never cared much for all those formulas!

Lately, I’ve been working with AI, which is an incredible tool. People often come up with great story ideas, but they rarely finish them. I’ve been developing and expanding stories using AI, making creative choices to take them in exciting directions.

I am also committed to preserving our family legacy. I have many of our family photos and have been collaborating with the historical society to digitize them. The most famous figure in our lineage was Ambrose Bierce—his works are still required reading today. I think I inherited a bit of his sarcasm, and that might cause me trouble.

I just have to be careful that God isn’t displeased with the things I laugh at and find amusing.

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They say opposites attract. I married my wife who had a latent artistic ability. When she did a simple pencil drawing of Jesus I knew she had art skills.

So late in life I encouraged her to take a few art classes. She picked it up so quickly, and she was equally skilled in sculpturing things as painting things. This artistic interest progressed into her interest in interior design.

I lacked these skills, but had recesssive genes from my Dad's art skills. He was very musical and could draw, dance, etc. He sang and played keyboards. I guess when I married my wife I married my Dad's skills that I didn't have! ;)

I like everything you're doing for your family. Everything has meaning, and bringing out those positive qualifies brings out God's beautiful postive purpose for us and our families. God bless!
 
RandyK said:
I guess when I married my wife I married my Dad's skills that I didn't have! ;)
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Yes we are attracted to what others have that we wish we had. But those differences can sometimes cause us problems.
 
RandyK said:
That makes sense. It doesn't answer the question proposed, "Are the elements themselves restored to us in the Resurrection that belonged to our original bodies?"

If you're just saying the energy in these elements are preserved for us somewhere, I don't think so. But the idea of energy transfer in the New World may have some merit to it--I don't know?

I think we are preserved as "spirits"--not energy. What is restored to us is a new set of "dust," in my opinion.
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The Apostle Paul's language in 1 Corinthians 15:35-46 appears to say that our resurrection bodies will be these bodies perfected and glorified, especially in 42-44:

1Co 15:35 But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?”
1Co 15:36 You foolish person! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies.
1Co 15:37 And what you sow is not the body that is to be, but a bare kernel, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain.
1Co 15:38 But God gives it a body as he has chosen, and to each kind of seed its own body.
1Co 15:39 For not all flesh is the same, but there is one kind for humans, another for animals, another for birds, and another for fish.
1Co 15:40 There are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is of one kind, and the glory of the earthly is of another.
1Co 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory.
1Co 15:42 So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable.
1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power.
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
1Co 15:45 Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
1Co 15:46 But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual.
 
Bruce.Leiter said:
The Apostle Paul's language in 1 Corinthians 15:35-46 appears to say that our resurrection bodies will be these bodies perfected and glorified, especially in 42-44:

1Co 15:35 But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?”
1Co 15:36 You foolish person! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies.
1Co 15:37 And what you sow is not the body that is to be, but a bare kernel, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain.
1Co 15:38 But God gives it a body as he has chosen, and to each kind of seed its own body.
1Co 15:39 For not all flesh is the same, but there is one kind for humans, another for animals, another for birds, and another for fish.
1Co 15:40 There are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is of one kind, and the glory of the earthly is of another.
1Co 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory.
1Co 15:42 So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable.
1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power.
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
1Co 15:45 Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
1Co 15:46 But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual.
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Right. I would emphasize these:
1Co 15:37 And what you sow is not the body that is to be, but a bare kernel, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain.
1Co 15:40 There are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is of one kind, and the glory of the earthly is of another.
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

Our current mortal bodies are not what "is to be."
Our current mortal bodies are the "earthly body," and not the "heavenly body."
Our current mortal bodies are a "natural body," but not the "spiritual body."

We are not going to become strictly "spirits." We will have a true "resurrection."

But our new glorified bodies will be what Paul calls "spiritual bodies." This means that our new physical body will be different and no longer mortal.

We just don't know what those "spiritual bodies" will be? We just know they will be physical bodies, or we could not call them "resurrection bodies."
 
Elijah7777 said:
There will be a new heaven and a new earth. I would think our body would match that.
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Yes, the 1st Adam was made from the "dust," ie from the elements of the earth. The 2nd time around we will likely be made from the same "dust"--just not from the same set of "dust" that we were originally composed of. ;)

Some people think that God will have dust marked as "belonging to Elijah" when he dies, and then send angels to gather up the old "dust of Elijah" marked as "belonging to Elijah" in order to resurrect you.

This is nonsensical to me. "Resurrection" does not have to mean restoring the old original body from the old original "dust." Some people imagine caskets being opened by angels who then take out the old skeletons, restoring skin over them! See Eze 37.7.

Obviously, people are lost at sea, or annihilated with their dust spread in many directions, sometimes to serve as nutrients for new plants, which are then eaten by animals and finally eaten by people. Dust, then, can be shared by more than one person, and cannot be labeled as "dust belonging to only one individual."

So "resurrection" just means that the original person's spirit is brought back to live in a new physical body. And it will likely be composed of new dust, but clearly, "earth dust."

I hope all that makes sense? :)
 
Elijah7777 said:
There will be a new heaven and a new earth. I would think our body would match that.
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RandyK said:
"Resurrection" does not have to mean restoring the old original body from the old original "dust."
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different parts of the body renew at different rates:

  • Skin cells: Replaced every few weeks.
  • Liver cells: Renewed roughly every three years.
  • Bones: Fully replaced about every 10 years.
  • Heart cells: Only about 40% are replaced over a lifetime.
  • Brain neurons: Some never regenerate, meaning certain atoms may stay with you for life3-. So while most of your body's atoms will be different within a few years, some structures—like parts of your brain—hold onto their original atoms for decades.
 
Elijah7777 said:
different parts of the body renew at different rates:

  • Skin cells: Replaced every few weeks.
  • Liver cells: Renewed roughly every three years.
  • Bones: Fully replaced about every 10 years.
  • Heart cells: Only about 40% are replaced over a lifetime.
  • Brain neurons: Some never regenerate, meaning certain atoms may stay with you for life3-. So while most of your body's atoms will be different within a few years, some structures—like parts of your brain—hold onto their original atoms for decades.
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I'm so glad our spirits don't need renewable cells! ;)
 
RandyK said:
Right. I would emphasize these:
1Co 15:37 And what you sow is not the body that is to be, but a bare kernel, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain.
1Co 15:40 There are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is of one kind, and the glory of the earthly is of another.
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

Our current mortal bodies are not what "is to be."
Our current mortal bodies are the "earthly body," and not the "heavenly body."
Our current mortal bodies are a "natural body," but not the "spiritual body."

We are not going to become strictly "spirits." We will have a true "resurrection."

But our new glorified bodies will be what Paul calls "spiritual bodies." This means that our new physical body will be different and no longer mortal.

We just don't know what those "spiritual bodies" will be? We just know they will be physical bodies, or we could not call them "resurrection bodies."
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According to Paul, my present body is the one to be "sown," and it will be raised a spiritual body. The word "spiritual" is almost always a reference to the Holy Spirit's complete guidance and protection. Whatever it will be, I eagerly look forward to that spiritual body, because it will have no more pain or weakness!!
 
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Bruce.Leiter said:
According to Paul, my present body is the one to be "sown," and it will be raised a spiritual body. The word "spiritual" is almost always a reference to the Holy Spirit's complete guidance and protection. Whatever it will be, I eagerly look forward to that spiritual body, because it will have no more pain or weakne...
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I can hardly stand the excitement of being in that unbelievable environment, having abilities we can't even imagine at the moment. It's just the "death" part that concerns me! ;)

Some people in the upper stories of the New Jerusalem will not need to breathe air. And if they fell they would probably just "bounce!" ;)
 
RandyK said:
I'm so glad our spirits don't need renewable cells! ;)
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I do not know where our spirit or soul is. We are not very good at knowing ourselves. At least not as good as we think we are. The question of where the soul or spirit resides has been debated for centuries, with perspectives ranging from philosophy and theology to science and psychology.
 
Elijah7777 said:
I do not know where our spirit or soul is. We are not very good at knowing ourselves. At least not as good as we think we are. The question of where the soul or spirit resides has been debated for centuries, with perspectives ranging from philosophy and theology to science and psychology.
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Well, yes. I know Paul said his presence could be with someone quite a distance away.

1 Cor 5.3 For my part, even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. As one who is present with you in this way, I have already passed judgment in the name of our Lord Jesus on the one who has been doing this.

I'd really like to know where Paul got this idea from? If you know, I would be in your debt???
 
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