Is baptism required for salvation?

[Eternally-grateful]

If the Catholic Church did not start until the year 300, what Church were these men pope of?

St. Peter (32-67)
St. Linus (67-76)
St. Anacletus (Cletus) (76-88)
St. Clement I (88-97)
St. Evaristus (97-105)
St. Alexander I (105-115)
St. Sixtus I (115-125) -- also called Xystus I
St. Telesphorus (125-136)
St. Hyginus (136-140)
St. Pius I (140-155)
St. Anicetus (155-166)
St. Soter (166-175)
St. Eleutherius (175-189)
St. Victor I (189-199)
St. Zephyrinus (199-217)
St. Callistus I (217-22)
St. Urban I (222-30)
St. Pontain (230-35)
St. Anterus (235-36)
St. Fabian (236-50)
St. Cornelius (251-53)
St. Lucius I (253-54)
St. Stephen I (254-257)
St. Sixtus II (257-258)
St. Dionysius (260-268)
St. Felix I (269-274)
St. Eutychian (275-283)
St. Caius (283-296)
St. Marcellinus (296-304)

I could not tell you. where can I find them in the word of God?

Is Peter the apostle peter who was a disciple? Well he and the other 11 and a man later named saul started the church..

 

[donadams]

lol. No

I am accepting all scripture;

yes he reconciled me.. I am saved.. are you?

This has nothing to do with my salvation.

Why do you insist on following men? Would you not want to know what is the true gospel that saved, as apposed to a gospel that has no power?

it says grace and an entrance in the kingdom is administered by the apostles

 

[Eternally-grateful]

it says grace and an entrance in the kingdom is administered by the apostles

lol. no

this is a catholic belief.. they demand you go through them

again, when people say this, run, for they are hiding something,,

no one comes to the father but through me,, the words of Jesus.

Jesus does not share his glory with any man

 

[donadams]

The authentic Apostles of the Lord Jesus Christ who wrote scripture under the guiding inspiration of the Holy Spirit is what I trust.


The Catholic Church is a religious organization that sprang up in 380 AD and that has murdered and tortured more Christians than Hitler murdered Jews

A Religious organization that has a multi billion dollar headquarters in Rome, with a sun god obelisk in their courtyard dedicate to Horus and charges money to allow people to get out of purgatory (a fictional pagan place of torment) is an abomination in the sight of God.

Come out from her you people of God a be separate from it, lest you partake of her judgement.


And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. Revelation 18:4-5

how do you know apart from the canon approved by the apostolic church what is and what is not scripture?

 

[donadams]

The authentic Apostles of the Lord Jesus Christ who wrote scripture under the guiding inspiration of the Holy Spirit is what I trust.


The Catholic Church is a religious organization that sprang up in 380 AD and that has murdered and tortured more Christians than Hitler murdered Jews

A Religious organization that has a multi billion dollar headquarters in Rome, with a sun god obelisk in their courtyard dedicate to Horus and charges money to allow people to get out of purgatory (a fictional pagan place of torment) is an abomination in the sight of God.

Come out from her you people of God a be separate from it, lest you partake of her judgement.


And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. Revelation 18:4-5

did the apostles have authority to teach or to write only?

 

[donadams]

The authentic Apostles of the Lord Jesus Christ who wrote scripture under the guiding inspiration of the Holy Spirit is what I trust.


The Catholic Church is a religious organization that sprang up in 380 AD and that has murdered and tortured more Christians than Hitler murdered Jews

A Religious organization that has a multi billion dollar headquarters in Rome, with a sun god obelisk in their courtyard dedicate to Horus and charges money to allow people to get out of purgatory (a fictional pagan place of torment) is an abomination in the sight of God.

Come out from her you people of God a be separate from it, lest you partake of her judgement.


And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. Revelation 18:4-5

heresy is treason against God! do you agree?

treason is punishable by death! do you agree?

most of those who you say are christians are not at all like the albigensian's and waldensians

 

[donadams]

The authentic Apostles of the Lord Jesus Christ who wrote scripture under the guiding inspiration of the Holy Spirit is what I trust.


The Catholic Church is a religious organization that sprang up in 380 AD and that has murdered and tortured more Christians than Hitler murdered Jews

A Religious organization that has a multi billion dollar headquarters in Rome, with a sun god obelisk in their courtyard dedicate to Horus and charges money to allow people to get out of purgatory (a fictional pagan place of torment) is an abomination in the sight of God.

Come out from her you people of God a be separate from it, lest you partake of her judgement.


And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. Revelation 18:4-5

"Catholic Church is a religious organization that sprang up in 380"

what happened to the accusation that it was created by constintine at the council of nicea 325?

 

[donadams]

The authentic Apostles of the Lord Jesus Christ who wrote scripture under the guiding inspiration of the Holy Spirit is what I trust.


The Catholic Church is a religious organization that sprang up in 380 AD and that has murdered and tortured more Christians than Hitler murdered Jews

A Religious organization that has a multi billion dollar headquarters in Rome, with a sun god obelisk in their courtyard dedicate to Horus and charges money to allow people to get out of purgatory (a fictional pagan place of torment) is an abomination in the sight of God.

Come out from her you people of God a be separate from it, lest you partake of her judgement.


And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. Revelation 18:4-5

that oblisk has importance to us not cos of the pagans but cos it was in rome and witnessed the martyrdom of christians there

 

[donadams]

The authentic Apostles of the Lord Jesus Christ who wrote scripture under the guiding inspiration of the Holy Spirit is what I trust.


The Catholic Church is a religious organization that sprang up in 380 AD and that has murdered and tortured more Christians than Hitler murdered Jews

A Religious organization that has a multi billion dollar headquarters in Rome, with a sun god obelisk in their courtyard dedicate to Horus and charges money to allow people to get out of purgatory (a fictional pagan place of torment) is an abomination in the sight of God.

Come out from her you people of God a be separate from it, lest you partake of her judgement.


And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. Revelation 18:4-5

accusations arecnot facts

no one charged money for indulgences

 

[donadams]

The authentic Apostles of the Lord Jesus Christ who wrote scripture under the guiding inspiration of the Holy Spirit is what I trust.


The Catholic Church is a religious organization that sprang up in 380 AD and that has murdered and tortured more Christians than Hitler murdered Jews

A Religious organization that has a multi billion dollar headquarters in Rome, with a sun god obelisk in their courtyard dedicate to Horus and charges money to allow people to get out of purgatory (a fictional pagan place of torment) is an abomination in the sight of God.

Come out from her you people of God a be separate from it, lest you partake of her judgement.


And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. Revelation 18:4-5

refers to the pagan roman empire that Christ and his church conquered!

 

[donadams]

it was already formed while they were still writing the word of God in scripture

Jesus is the cornerstone

the apostles are the foundation stones

each of us who belong add to the foundation as it is being built up.

the doctrines the catholic church teach however. did not begin until Constantine, who decided he was going to be Christian and make the roman empire Christian. How do you think he prevented a pagan civilization (apposed to christ and his people) to accept Christianity?

not historically accurate constintine was converted by a miracle of the cross which he put on the sheilds in battle and was victorious!

with this sign you shall conquer!

the pagan roman empire was conquered by Christ and his church, it fell as revelation says in one hour by his conversion to Christ and the cross

 

[Bruce.Leiter]

If the Catholic Church did not start until the year 300, what Church were these men pope of?

St. Peter (32-67)
St. Linus (67-76)
St. Anacletus (Cletus) (76-88)
St. Clement I (88-97)
St. Evaristus (97-105)
St. Alexander I (105-115)
St. Sixtus I (115-125) -- also called Xystus I
St. Telesphorus (125-136)
St. Hyginus (136-140)
St. Pius I (140-155)
St. Anicetus (155-166)
St. Soter (166-175)
St. Eleutherius (175-189)
St. Victor I (189-199)
St. Zephyrinus (199-217)
St. Callistus I (217-22)
St. Urban I (222-30)
St. Pontain (230-35)
St. Anterus (235-36)
St. Fabian (236-50)
St. Cornelius (251-53)
St. Lucius I (253-54)
St. Stephen I (254-257)
St. Sixtus II (257-258)
St. Dionysius (260-268)
St. Felix I (269-274)
St. Eutychian (275-283)
St. Caius (283-296)
St. Marcellinus (296-304)

How did you get the idea that they were Popes? "St." means "saint," doesn't it?

 

[JLB]

that oblisk has importance to us not cos of the pagans but cos it was in rome and witnessed the martyrdom of christians there

The Catholic Church is the organization that martyred many Christians who refused to bow down to the pope and acknowledge him as the father over the church.




An obelisk is a tall, square, tapered monument carved from a single stone and topped with a pyramid. The word "obelisk" comes from Greek and means "pointed instrument". The ancient Egyptians called them tekhenu. Obelisks originated in Egypt around 2300 BCE and are often associated with the sun god Ra.


Around 30 BCE, Rome seized control of Egypt and looted the various templecomplexes; in one case they destroyed walls at the Temple of Karnak to haul them out. There are now more than twice as many obelisks that were seized and shipped out by Rome as remain in Egypt. The majority were dismantled during the Roman period over 1,700 years ago and the obelisks were sent to different locations.[<em><a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed" title="Wikipedia:Citation needed"><span title="Multiple claims in this paragraph require citations. (February 2023)">citation needed</span></a></em>]

The largest standing and tallest Egyptian obelisk is the Lateran Obelisk in the square at the west side of the Lateran Basilica in Rome at 105.6 feet (32.2 m) tall and a weight of 455 metric tons (502 short tons).<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obelisk#cite_note-PBS-Nile-mysteries-Rome-15"><span>[</span>15<span>]</span></a> More well known is the iconic 25 metres (82 ft), 331-metric-ton (365-short-ton) Vatican obelisk at Saint Peter's Square.<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obelisk#cite_note-PBS-Nile-mysteries-Rome-15"><span>[</span>15<span>]</span></a> Brought to Rome by the Emperor Caligula in 37 CE, it has stood at its current site and on the wall of the Circus of Nero, flanking St Peter's Basilica.

Obelisk - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Obelisks are an abomination.

 

[JLB]

accusations arecnot facts

no one charged money for indulgences

What was the purpose of the Council of Trent?

• Council of Trent:
  The Council of Trent (1545-1563) addressed the abuses surrounding indulgences, condemning the practice of selling them for profit, but also reaffirming the validity of indulgences themselves, according to Britannica.
  

 

[Walpole]

I could not tell you.

Then how can you claim the Church started in the year 300 when I just gave you a list of men who were Bishop of Rome predating the year 300?

where can I find them in the word of God?

A few of them are mentioned in Scripture, such as Peter, Linus, and Clement.

Is Peter the apostle peter who was a disciple? Well he and the other 11 and a man later named saul started the church..

Yes, Peter was the first Bishop of Rome.

 

[Walpole]

How did you get the idea that they were Popes? "St." means "saint," doesn't it?

"Pope" is title of endearment, like papa, or pops. The official office is that of the bishop of Rome.

And yes, St. means saint. The vast majority of those bishops of Rome were martyred for the faith and hence were recognized as saints.

 

[donadams]

lol. no

this is a catholic belief.. they demand you go through them

again, when people say this, run, for they are hiding something,,

no one comes to the father but through me,, the words of Jesus.

Jesus does not share his glory with any man

you right the kingdom has been given to the apostles Lk 22;29

the door only opens from the inside 2 pet 1:11

must be administered unto you

 

[donadams]

lol. no

this is a catholic belief.. they demand you go through them

again, when people say this, run, for they are hiding something,,

no one comes to the father but through me,, the words of Jesus.

Jesus does not share his glory with any man

and Jesus acts in all times and places vicariously thru His apostolic church matt 28:19-20 Jn 20:21-23 2 cor 5:18 2 cor 8:19 Lk 10:16 Jn 13:20

the b-i-b-l-e yes thats the book for me, not a jack chick tract!

 

[donadams]

lol. no

this is a catholic belief.. they demand you go through them

again, when people say this, run, for they are hiding something,,

no one comes to the father but through me,, the words of Jesus.

Jesus does not share his glory with any man

"Jesus does not share his glory with any man"

(((best check your bible)))

Jn 17:22 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

Ephesians 3:16
That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;

Matt 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

thks

fundementalist brainwashing only produces a proud spirit of rebellion and protest and an extremist zealot, a spiritual tyrant!

 

[donadams]

How did you get the idea that they were Popes? "St." means "saint," doesn't it?

and pope means father