Russia and Israel, now what?

[Dorothy Mae]

What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, understand?

At midnight (in the turn from the sixth to the seventh Day) there was a CRY MADE, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet Him. Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.

And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. Go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
While they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with Him to the marriage: and the door was shut. Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. I say unto you, I know you not.

That said by the Word of GOD, it remains to be said that those who were selling oil (Pastors, Bishops, Evangelists, among others), and also the foolish virgins who went to buy it, all lost their souls forever and ever, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Get ready

JESUS said: Fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. The Word is GOD, self-executing.

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The problem is that you think what you believe IS the Word of God and everyone else is rejecting the Word of God when it’s really just the thinking of OSEAS we reject. You alone, in your post, understand the Word, just you. That’s the problem.

 

[eddif]

The word of God was that the bridegroom would come.

John 1:14 kjv
14. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

The Word went beyond words and manifested/became.

1 Corinthians 15:45 kjv
45. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

The words of God became written and became flesh.

The flesh became a life giving Spirit.

Revelation 3:20 kjv
20. Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me.

The life giving spirit can be inside the believer, if we open the door.

The word was a bridegroom was coming. The reality was that he came.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[Oseas]

The problem is that you think what you believe IS the Word of God and everyone else is rejecting the Word of God when it’s really just the thinking of OSEAS we reject. You alone, in your post, understand the Word, just you. That’s the problem.

What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, understand? No, you don't understand the Word is GOD.

The Word is GOD, Father of my Lord JESUS Christ, who is the Word made flesh, as the Word had said by His prophet Isaiah, a man of GOD, centuries before JESUS birth: Isaiah 7:14 - The Word, i.e. GOD (GOD is not a name) , said:
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. --> The Word is self-executing, understand?

By allegory, the Word works like a Clock: In His Ominiscience, and Omnipotence, and Omnipresence, the Word-i.e. GOD- establishes the times or the seasons, which He has put in His own Power.

Thus, what the Word said by the prophet Isaiah as above quoted, it LITERALLY fulfilled at the predetermined time, as was prophesied around 750 years before by the prophet Isaiah.
As all can see, the Word, i.e. GOD, in His Ominiscience, and Ominipotence, and Omnipresence, He calls those things which be not as though they were.

The Word, i.e. GOD, also said by the prophet Isaiah whom would be the Person who would be born, as follows: Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and His NAME shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, understand? No, you don't understand the Word is GOD.

The Word is GOD, Father of my Lord JESUS Christ, who is the Word made flesh, as the Word had said by His prophet Isaiah, a man of GOD, centuries before JESUS birth: Isaiah 7:14 - The Word, i.e. GOD (GOD is not a name) , said:
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. --> The Word is self-executing, understand?

By allegory, the Word works like a Clock: In His Ominiscience, and Omnipotence, and Omnipresence, the Word-i.e. GOD- establishes the times or the seasons, which He has put in His own Power.

Thus, what the Word said by the prophet Isaiah as above quoted, it LITERALLY fulfilled at the predetermined time, as was prophesied around 750 years before by the prophet Isaiah.
As all can see, the Word, i.e. GOD, in His Ominiscience, and Ominipotence, and Omnipresence, He calls those things which be not as though they were.

The Word, i.e. GOD, also said by the prophet Isaiah whom would be the Person who would be born, as follows: Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and His NAME shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

You just don’t get it. You think you alone understand the Word and what you think matches the mind of God who inspired it.

 

[eddif]

The word of God was that the bridegroom would come.

John 1:14 kjv
14. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

The Word went beyond words and manifested/became.

1 Corinthians 15:45 kjv
45. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

The words of God became written and became flesh.

The flesh became a life giving Spirit.

Revelation 3:20 kjv
20. Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me.

The life giving spirit can be inside the believer, if we open the door.

The word was a bridegroom was coming. The reality was that he came.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

I suppose I should add.
He came to arrange the wedding.

He will return for the marriage supper at the end.

eddif

 

[Oseas]

You just don’t get it. You think you alone understand the Word and what you think matches the mind of God who inspired it.

The true believers, they which have the mind of Christ, they have a strong city, the gates were openned that the righteous nation which keeps the Truth may enter in. GOD will keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on Him because he trusts in Him.

Now, the testimony of JESUS is the Spirit of prophecy, if any have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His.

 

[Oseas]

The words of God became written and became flesh.

A very great and marvelous mystery. It's hard to say in words of this mystery of the Person of GOD the Father. The Word, i.e. GOD, is from everlasting to everlasting, has not beginning, neither end, and JESUS was in the Word even before to be born, before to be made flesh - before the incarnation of the Word - in fact JESUS was in the bosom of the Father , as said John the Baptist, the angel of the Lord: No man hath seen GOD at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared Him-John 1:18. - Hallelujaaaa!!!

 

[daddd]

I have a question for futurists. Since it was commonly believed that the Russian “bear” would march down and attack Israel bringing on Armageddon, do you still think that in light of Russia being unable to attack even little Kiev?

It’s obvious to all that Russia has the second best army in the Ukraine but otherwise not even a threat except in lobbing bombs on its neighbors. No way is it even going to take on Israel, a nuclear nation with maybe the best army in the world (certainly up there.)

So what nation do you see today as marching down to Israel to surround it so the world can end and Jesus come and take over? (I hope I didn’t offend in my choice of words. I tried to be neutral and I am sincerely asking.)

The nations that are listed are mostly Muslim ones. Turkey, etc. Who could blame them for coming down if Israel used a nuke? In fact I think God may 'bring them down' or put His hook in their mouths to do so. The lesson in all this, as I see it is to get ready to meet Jesus as it seems He could be returning for His people, to take them out soon.

 

[RandyK]

The nations that are listed are mostly Muslim ones. Turkey, etc. Who could blame them for coming down if Israel used a nuke? In fact I think God may 'bring them down' or put His hook in their mouths to do so. The lesson in all this, as I see it is to get ready to meet Jesus as it seems He could be returning for His people, to take them out soon.

It's a good question. I think the original question is a bit naieve to suggest that Russia is not a threat, since it has a huge stockpile of nuclear weapons. I do think Russia can lead the charge on behalf of Muslim nations who do not like Israel. But of course--I don't know who Gog is. And I don't know when this battle will be fought.

 

[daddd]

It's a good question. I think the original question is a bit naieve to suggest that Russia is not a threat, since it has a huge stockpile of nuclear weapons. I do think Russia can lead the charge on behalf of Muslim nations who do not like Israel. But of course--I don't know who Gog is. And I don't know when this battle will be fought.

Me either. I think that if Jesus is coming in the air to take believers up there to be also in the air forever with Him, that a good time would be at the start of a (limited) nuclear war. After all we know the world will still be here all the way till the end when He returns down to the planet to rule.

 

[RandyK]

Me either. I think that if Jesus is coming in the air to take believers up there to be also in the air forever with Him, that a good time would be at the start of a (limited) nuclear war. After all we know the world will still be here all the way till the end when He returns down to the planet to rule.

To be frank, I'm Postrib, and am going to gut it out as long as I can. ;) But as I said, the prophecy of Gog has never given me much peace about its interpretation.

I know something is said about Gog at the end of the Millennium, but in Eze 38-39 it sounds very much like the close of the present age, when I think national Israel is going to be saved from nuclear oblivion. Do you think that way too (apart from the Postrib/Pretrib thing)?

 

[daddd]

To be frank, I'm Postrib, and am going to gut it out as long as I can. ;) But as I said, the prophecy of Gog has never given me much peace about its interpretation.

I don't see that it matters much if we are gone when it happens. Basically Israel, secular sinning Israel will be invaded in the end. I assume God wants this and brings them down to punish Israel. But, as in the past, when they try to go too far, He clobbers their enemies after the remaining Israelis accept Jesus at last

I know something is said about Gog at the end of the Millennium, but in Eze 38-39 it sounds very much like the close of the present age, when I think national Israel is going to be saved from nuclear oblivion. Do you think that way too (apart from the Postrib/Pretrib thing)?

Now there could also be a 'battle' at the end of the 1000 years with the same name. Not much of a battle though. Some rebels surround some camp of saints, God raptures all of the believers and burns the planet, including the wicked still on it then creates a new earth.

 

[Alfred Persson]

To be frank, I'm Postrib, and am going to gut it out as long as I can. ;) But as I said, the prophecy of Gog has never given me much peace about its interpretation.

I know something is said about Gog at the end of the Millennium, but in Eze 38-39 it sounds very much like the close of the present age, when I think national Israel is going to be saved from nuclear oblivion. Do you think that way too (apart from the Postrib/Pretrib thing)?

I'm "pre-wrath", just before the bowls are poured out but after martyrdom for refusing the mark:

11 "And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."
12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
13 Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, "Write:`Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.'" "Yes," says the Spirit, "that they may rest from their labors, and their works follow them."
14 Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like the Son of Man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle.
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, "Thrust in Your sickle and reap, for the time has come for You to reap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe."
16 So He who sat on the cloud thrust in His sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped.
(Rev. 14:11-16 NKJ)

A good summary on Gog:


Here is a breakdown of the modern countries that correspond to the ancient biblical regions you mentioned. These identifications are based on historical, archaeological, and biblical scholarship, though some regions are still debated:

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1. Persia​

• Modern Country: Iran
• Persia was the name of a powerful ancient empire centered in what is today Iran, particularly the region around Persepolis and Fars Province.

---

2. Cush (or Kush)​

• Modern Countries: Sudan, parts of southern Egypt, possibly Ethiopia
• Cush refers to the land south of Egypt, usually associated with the Nubian region, corresponding mostly to modern-day Sudan. In some biblical usage, it is also loosely connected to Ethiopia.

---

3. Put (or Phut)​

• Modern Country: Libya
• Put is often identified with ancient Libya or northwestern Africa, west of Egypt. It likely corresponds to modern-day Libya.

---

4. Gomer​

• Modern Region: Parts of Turkey, possibly Eastern Europe (Ukraine, Russia, or Poland)
• Gomer was a son of Japheth, and his descendants are sometimes linked to the Cimmerians, who lived in what is now Turkey or moved into areas around the Black Sea, like Ukraine or southern Russia.

---

5. Sheba​

• Modern Countries: Yemen, possibly parts of Ethiopia
• Sheba was likely located in southwest Arabia, corresponding to modern-day Yemen. Some traditions also associate Sheba with regions in Ethiopia, possibly due to ancient trade connections.

---

6. Dedan​

• Modern Country: Saudi Arabia
• Dedan was an ancient city and region in northwest Arabia, likely located in modern Saudi Arabia, near Al-`Ula.

---

7. Tarshish​

• Modern Country (Most Likely): Spain (possibly Tartessos, near modern Andalusia)
• Tarshish is debated but is commonly associated with southern Spain, near ancient Tartessos. Some theories also connect it with Sardinia, Carthage (Tunisia), or even Britain, though Spain is the most widely accepted.

---

Meshech and Tubal are ancient peoples mentioned several times in the Bible, especially in prophetic and genealogical contexts (e.g., Genesis 10:2, Ezekiel 27:13, 32:26, and 38:2–3). Both are listed as sons of Japheth, one of Noah's sons, and their identities have been the subject of study and interpretation for centuries.

---

Meshech​

• Biblical Role: Descendant of Japheth; mentioned in prophecies of judgment and war (e.g., in Ezekiel 38).
• Ancient Identification: Generally associated with the Mushki, an ancient people known from Assyrian records.
• Modern Region (Most Likely):
  • Parts of central or eastern Turkey
  • Possibly extending into the Caucasus region, such as Georgia or Armenia

---

Tubal​

• Biblical Role: Also a son of Japheth; associated with Meshech in both trade and military alliances.
• Ancient Identification: Usually linked to the Tabal people known from Assyrian inscriptions.
• Modern Region (Most Likely):
  • Eastern Anatolia (eastern Turkey)
  • Possibly extending toward the southern Caucasus, near northern Iran or northwestern Iran

---

Summary of Modern Equivalents​

Name	Ancient People	Modern Region (Likely)
Meshech	Mushki	Central/Eastern Turkey, Caucasus
Tubal	Tabal	Eastern Turkey, Caucasus

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Combining NT, Daniel and Ezekiel I conclude a unique scenario no one else proposes (few see beyond the present order of things to imagine what the earth is like after the Great Rebellion against all called God described in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4):


The Antichrist (King of the North) ruler of revived Byzantine Roman Empire (parts of it) is an Assyrian Jewish Christian miracle worker, with Antiochus in his lineage, from ancient Nineveh (Mosul Iraq). As the False Christ he naturally makes Jerusalem his seat of power. He declares himself God, and Gog and Magog and allies reject his global rule and rebel. They destroy rebuilt Babylon, but then USA/Britian (two horned beast) join the Antichrist and Gog and allies "stand down". Then the Bowls of God's wrath are poured out on the kingdom of the Beast, and he is weakened. Then Gog and allies again attack, flooding the mountains of Israel where God utterly destroys them.

Just before then, the Antichrist who was putting down a rebellion by Egypt and allies in the South, then turns his armies to fight Gog in Israel.

But then God utterly destroys Gog and Magog first, then God destroys Adonikam the Beast's army at Armageddon, Christ slaying them all as Revelation 19 graphicly recounts.

None of this fits current events, but Brexit and Trump are setting the stage for Britian/America's role as "false prophet". These two nations well become a "MegaPower", Trump's policies will make both rich and powerful, and their efforts at deploying "alien tech" will pay off big. Likely much of the recent UFO reports are their "dark op tech".

I believe fallen angels will return as they did in Genesis 6 and deceive the earth into becoming atheists (except true Christians). The only religion allowed will be the worship of the Beast and Dragon of the Nephilim.

See my site for more.

 

[JLB]

Basically Israel, secular sinning Israel will be invaded in the end. I assume God wants this and brings them down to punish Israel.

Behold, the day of the LORD is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Then the LORD will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
Zechariah 14:1-3

 

[daddd]

Behold, the day of the LORD is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Then the LORD will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
Zechariah 14:1-3

Yes and the question is when. I suspect it is long after the Rapture

 

[Alfred Persson]

Behold, the day of the LORD is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Then the LORD will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
Zechariah 14:1-3

Doesn't that happen at the end of the Millennial Kingdom:

7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison
8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea.
9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.
(Rev. 20:7-9 NKJ)

Just as the earlier coalition of nations represented the anti-God nations of the earth, so it does in the book of Revelation. But its not limited to just a few nations in Revelation, it applies to all the nations deceived by Satan to attack the camp of the saints, in Jerusalem.

 

[Oseas]

I'm "pre-wrath", just before the bowls are poured out but after martyrdom for refusing the mark:

11 "And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."
12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
13 Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, "Write:`Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.'" "Yes," says the Spirit, "that they may rest from their labors, and their works follow them."
14 Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like the Son of Man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle.
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, "Thrust in Your sickle and reap, for the time has come for You to reap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe."
16 So He who sat on the cloud thrust in His sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped.
(Rev. 14:11-16 NKJ)

A good summary on Gog:

Here is a breakdown of the modern countries that correspond to the ancient biblical regions you mentioned. These identifications are based on historical, archaeological, and biblical scholarship, though some regions are still debated:

---

1. Persia​

• Modern Country: Iran
• Persia was the name of a powerful ancient empire centered in what is today Iran, particularly the region around Persepolis and Fars Province.

---

2. Cush (or Kush)​

• Modern Countries: Sudan, parts of southern Egypt, possibly Ethiopia
• Cush refers to the land south of Egypt, usually associated with the Nubian region, corresponding mostly to modern-day Sudan. In some biblical usage, it is also loosely connected to Ethiopia.

---

3. Put (or Phut)​

• Modern Country: Libya
• Put is often identified with ancient Libya or northwestern Africa, west of Egypt. It likely corresponds to modern-day Libya.

---

4. Gomer​

• Modern Region: Parts of Turkey, possibly Eastern Europe (Ukraine, Russia, or Poland)
• Gomer was a son of Japheth, and his descendants are sometimes linked to the Cimmerians, who lived in what is now Turkey or moved into areas around the Black Sea, like Ukraine or southern Russia.

---

5. Sheba​

• Modern Countries: Yemen, possibly parts of Ethiopia
• Sheba was likely located in southwest Arabia, corresponding to modern-day Yemen. Some traditions also associate Sheba with regions in Ethiopia, possibly due to ancient trade connections.

---

6. Dedan​

• Modern Country: Saudi Arabia
• Dedan was an ancient city and region in northwest Arabia, likely located in modern Saudi Arabia, near Al-`Ula.

---

7. Tarshish​

• Modern Country (Most Likely): Spain (possibly Tartessos, near modern Andalusia)
• Tarshish is debated but is commonly associated with southern Spain, near ancient Tartessos. Some theories also connect it with Sardinia, Carthage (Tunisia), or even Britain, though Spain is the most widely accepted.

---

Meshech and Tubal are ancient peoples mentioned several times in the Bible, especially in prophetic and genealogical contexts (e.g., Genesis 10:2, Ezekiel 27:13, 32:26, and 38:2–3). Both are listed as sons of Japheth, one of Noah's sons, and their identities have been the subject of study and interpretation for centuries.

---

Meshech​

• Biblical Role: Descendant of Japheth; mentioned in prophecies of judgment and war (e.g., in Ezekiel 38).
• Ancient Identification: Generally associated with the Mushki, an ancient people known from Assyrian records.
• Modern Region (Most Likely):
  • Parts of central or eastern Turkey
  • Possibly extending into the Caucasus region, such as Georgia or Armenia

---

Tubal​

• Biblical Role: Also a son of Japheth; associated with Meshech in both trade and military alliances.
• Ancient Identification: Usually linked to the Tabal people known from Assyrian inscriptions.
• Modern Region (Most Likely):
  • Eastern Anatolia (eastern Turkey)
  • Possibly extending toward the southern Caucasus, near northern Iran or northwestern Iran

ritian/America's role as "false prophet". These two nations well become a "MegaPower", Trump's policies will make both rich and powerful, and their efforts at deploying "alien tech" will pay off big. Likely much of the recent UFO reports are their "dark op tech".

I believe fallen angels will return as they did in Genesis 6 and deceive the earth into becoming atheists (except true Christians). The only religion allowed will be the worship of the Beast and Dragon of the Nephilim.

See my site for more.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^TO ALL BROTHERS IN CHRIST ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Gog and Magog are the two terrible and satanic Beasts of Revelation 13:1-18 prepared from the beginning (in an embryo) to manifest with a full body in this current time, a complete body for each Beast, one Gentile MAN Beast and the other a Jewish MAN Beast. These two MAN Beasts will have material and spiritual dominion over the nations and will govern them as world leaders. I believe that these two Beasts, one Gentile and the other Jewish, in the exercise of their material and spiritual world dominion, will from now on represent the rider of the black horse, the rider of the pale horse,->this is Satan himself incarnate manifesting himself as the messiah, and hell follows him, his name is Death, and he will dominate in partnership with the Gentile Beast in what concerns to kill with sword(a satanic mouth),and with hunger,and with death, and with the beasts(government or rulers of nations) of the earth.

But wait, there is one important detail yet to be announced: The rider of the red horse is already operating at an accelerated pace in his activities, which are those of Revelation 6:3-4, as follows:
3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.
4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.->(a demonic MOUTH, to speak atrocities and foment them throughout the world). Be prepared or else get ready.

Now, in the transition from this demonic kingdom to the Kingdom of GOD that will be established from now on in literal fulfillment of 1Corinthians 15:24-28 and 51-55 combined with Revelation 11:15-18, the Gentile MAN Bast will have a more demonic transformation and posture, from a false and deceptive religious Christian posture, to a more aggressive, demonic, violent posture (Revelation 13:5-9, take a look). The Jewish MAN Beast has not yet manifested himself, but he will manifest soon, at first as a lamb (Revelation 13:11), a false lamb that speaks like a dragon, Satan himself (Revelation 12:9), in truth he is the MAN of sin, son of perdition (John 8:44 combined with 2Thessalonians 2:3-4), a false messiah (John 5:43-47).

Revelation 6:5-8 reveal:-> 5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and it a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
8 And I looked, and held a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Be prepared, or else, get ready.

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[Alfred Persson]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^TO ALL BROTHERS IN CHRIST ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Gog and Magog are the two terrible and satanic Beasts of Revelation 13:1-18 prepared from the beginning (in an embryo) to manifest with a full body in this current time, a complete body for each Beast, one Gentile MAN Beast and the other a Jewish MAN Beast. These two MAN Beasts will have material and spiritual dominion over the nations and will govern them as world leaders. I believe that these two Beasts, one Gentile and the other Jewish, in the exercise of their material and spiritual world dominion, will from now on represent the rider of the black horse, the rider of the pale horse,->this is Satan himself incarnate manifesting himself as the messiah, and hell follows him, his name is Death, and he will dominate in partnership with the Gentile Beast in what concerns to kill with sword(a satanic mouth),and with hunger,and with death, and with the beasts(government or rulers of nations) of the earth.

But wait, there is one important detail yet to be announced: The rider of the red horse is already operating at an accelerated pace in his activities, which are those of Revelation 6:3-4, as follows:
3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.
4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.->(a demonic MOUTH, to speak atrocities and foment them throughout the world). Be prepared or else get ready.

Now, in the transition from this demonic kingdom to the Kingdom of GOD that will be established from now on in literal fulfillment of 1Corinthians 15:24-28 and 51-55 combined with Revelation 11:15-18, the Gentile MAN Bast will have a more demonic transformation and posture, from a false and deceptive religious Christian posture, to a more aggressive, demonic, violent posture (Revelation 13:5-9, take a look). The Jewish MAN Beast has not yet manifested himself, but he will manifest soon, at first as a lamb (Revelation 13:11), a false lamb that speaks like a dragon, Satan himself (Revelation 12:9), in truth he is the MAN of sin, son of perdition (John 8:44 combined with 2Thessalonians 2:3-4), a false messiah (John 5:43-47).

Revelation 6:5-8 reveal:-> 5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and it a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
8 And I looked, and held a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Be prepared, or else, get ready.

Similarity between passing by the Red Sea and by the Red Dragon

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Wow, that was interesting but I can't see it in Revelation or elsewhere.

John gives the key to interpreting the Beast when he says:

Then I stood on the sand of the sea. (Rev. 13:1 NKJ)

Before chapter and verses were invented in the middle ages, Bible writers alluded to scripture they wanted compared to their prophecy, by allusion. Just as Daniel was 'standing on the seaside,' so was John:

2 Daniel spoke, saying, "I saw in my vision by night, and behold, the four winds of heaven were stirring up the Great Sea.
3 "And four great beasts came up from the sea, each different from the other.
(Dan. 7:2-3 NKJ)

If you add up the heads in Daniel c. 7 they are 7 heads, and the ten horns are the same in both.

That means John saw Daniel chapter 7 as the "key" to unlocking the symbolism of Revelation 13.

Its a "key" to unlock the symbolism, not a "blueprint". John's beast rises up in the End Time "week", Daniel's 4 beasts are successive kingdoms that rise up one after another.

Go to my site for full explanation of the Seven heads and ten horns.

 

[Oseas]

Wow, that was interesting but I can't see it in Revelation or elsewhere.

John gives the key to interpreting the Beast when he says:

Then I stood on the sand of the sea. (Rev. 13:1 NKJ)

Before chapter and verses were invented in the middle ages, Bible writers alluded to scripture they wanted compared to their prophecy, by allusion. Just as Daniel was 'standing on the seaside,' so was John:

2 Daniel spoke, saying, "I saw in my vision by night, and behold, the four winds of heaven were stirring up the Great Sea.
3 "And four great beasts came up from the sea, each different from the other.
(Dan. 7:2-3 NKJ)

If you add up the heads in Daniel c. 7 they are 7 heads, and the ten horns are the same in both.

That means John saw Daniel chapter 7 as the "key" to unlocking the symbolism of Revelation 13.

Its a "key" to unlock the symbolism, not a "blueprint". John's beast rises up in the End Time "week", Daniel's 4 beasts are successive kingdoms that rise up one after another.

Go to my site for full explanation of the Seven heads and ten horns.

I think that only with the help of the Holy Spirit we will be able to build a perfect and complete interpretation of Revelation 13, which should translate exactly what was seen by Daniel and John millennia ago, when the two Beasts of Revelation 13 still were in their embryonic state, under the observation of GOD, of course. But now, in this present time of Apocalipse, we can already see how they are, because about both is written how they are in their entire body, and how both will manifest themeselves in their current demonic WORLD.

You said: -> "John gives the key to interpreting the Beast when he says: Then I stood on the sand of the sea. (Rev. 13:1 NKJ)"

Perfect, so if we dive deep into the Scriptures, in my view these are the scenarios revealed literally on-Revelation 13:1, as follow below:

Revelation 13:1-> And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a Beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

First of all, by this verse quoted, our Lord JESUS was/is warning us His servants (Revelation 1:1), that the old Serpent, called the Devil and Satan(Revelation 12:9) would build a religious MONSTER, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his (7) heads the name of blasphemy. Analysing deeply this satanic scenario, in my view we can highlight it as follows:

1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea(JOHN said he was upon the sand of the sea because he was a Jewish citzen,one upon the sand of sea-Isaiah 10:22)->(the sand of the isle Patmos,it is irrelevant in this Scripture);

and saw a Beast-> a Gentile Beast;

rise up out of the sea-> (sea=waters=>peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues-Revelation 17:15- , and the Beast rose up exactly in Italy, in the city of Rome, also Vatican City) ;

having seven heads-> (the Beast, the religious MONSTER, appears having 7 heads because the ancient and apostate Church of Rome, later called Roman Catholic Church-Romans 1:21-25, and so on, developed and grew throughout the world, in Europe, and Asia, and Africa, and Oceania/Australia, and North America, Central America and South America, seven regions of the earth/ world) ;

and ten horns -> (Now in the END of the times, time of Apocalypse, the clay (Isaiah 64:8) and iron(4th Beast-Roman Empire-Daniel 7:7-8) will be mixed: Daniel 2:43 combined with Revelation 13:2)-> 43 whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron(Roman Empire-Gentile peoples) is not mixed with clay(Jewish people).->the 10 horns also are the 10 toes of the feet of Nebuchadnezar's statue, the 10 tribes of Israel are symbolized by 10 horns, ruled and guided by the esoteric and kabbalistic false messiah of the Jews as said JESUS(John 5:43-47), an IMPOSTER, a FALSE LAMB-Revelation 13:11 and so on, which will manifest himself very soon. Be prepared or else get ready.

and upon his (10) horns ten crowns,-> (it because each tribe has a Prince, the head of the respective tribe-Numbers 17:6-12, take a look, so 10 crowns as was revealed)

and upon his (7) heads the name of blasphemy. -> (the name of blasphemy of the Gentile Beast of sea, the Papacy and the Roman Catholic Church, which rides upon the Beast, it is an universal name, by which the MAN Beast presents himself as Vicarivs Filii Dei in the 7 regions or 7 continents of the earth. The Church of Rome was/is the birthplace, or the cradle of Antichrist, unfortunately, see how.

The Antichrist was born and rose up from the own Church-See how : -> https://purebibleforum.com/index.ph...and-rose-up-from-the-own-church-see-how.2860/

 

[Alfred Persson]

I think that only with the help of the Holy Spirit we will be able to build a perfect and complete interpretation of Revelation 13, which should translate exactly what was seen by Daniel and John millennia ago, when the two Beasts of Revelation 13 still were in their embryonic state, under the observation of GOD, of course. But now, in this present time of Apocalipse, we can already see how they are, because about both is written how they are in their entire body, and how both will manifest themeselves in their current demonic WORLD.

You said: -> "John gives the key to interpreting the Beast when he says: Then I stood on the sand of the sea. (Rev. 13:1 NKJ)"

Perfect, so if we dive deep into the Scriptures, in my view these are the scenarios revealed literally on-Revelation 13:1, as follow below:

Revelation 13:1-> And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a Beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

First of all, by this verse quoted, our Lord JESUS was/is warning us His servants (Revelation 1:1), that the old Serpent, called the Devil and Satan(Revelation 12:9) would build a religious MONSTER, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his (7) heads the name of blasphemy. Analysing deeply this satanic scenario, in my view we can highlight it as follows:

1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea(JOHN said he was upon the sand of the sea because he was a Jewish citzen,one upon the sand of sea-Isaiah 10:22)->(the sand of the isle Patmos,it is irrelevant in this Scripture);

and saw a Beast-> a Gentile Beast;

rise up out of the sea-> (sea=waters=>peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues-Revelation 17:15- , and the Beast rose up exactly in Italy, in the city of Rome, also Vatican City) ;

having seven heads-> (the Beast, the religious MONSTER, appears having 7 heads because the ancient and apostate Church of Rome, later called Roman Catholic Church-Romans 1:21-25, and so on, developed and grew throughout the world, in Europe, and Asia, and Africa, and Oceania/Australia, and North America, Central America and South America, seven regions of the earth/ world) ;

and ten horns -> (Now in the END of the times, time of Apocalypse, the clay (Isaiah 64:8) and iron(4th Beast-Roman Empire-Daniel 7:7-8) will be mixed: Daniel 2:43 combined with Revelation 13:2)-> 43 whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron(Roman Empire-Gentile peoples) is not mixed with clay(Jewish people).->the 10 horns also are the 10 toes of the feet of Nebuchadnezar's statue, the 10 tribes of Israel are symbolized by 10 horns, ruled and guided by the esoteric and kabbalistic false messiah of the Jews as said JESUS(John 5:43-47), an IMPOSTER, a FALSE LAMB-Revelation 13:11 and so on, which will manifest himself very soon. Be prepared or else get ready.

and upon his (10) horns ten crowns,-> (it because each tribe has a Prince, the head of the respective tribe-Numbers 17:6-12, take a look, so 10 crowns as was revealed)

and upon his (7) heads the name of blasphemy. -> (the name of blasphemy of the Gentile Beast of sea, the Papacy and the Roman Catholic Church, which rides upon the Beast, it is an universal name, by which the MAN Beast presents himself as Vicarivs Filii Dei in the 7 regions or 7 continents of the earth. The Church of Rome was/is the birthplace, or the cradle of Antichrist, unfortunately, see how.

The Antichrist was born and rose up from the own Church-See how : -> https://purebibleforum.com/index.ph...and-rose-up-from-the-own-church-see-how.2860/

I cannot agree with your interpretation. I believe in "sola scriptura", and the premise "scripture interprets scripture" is a organic function of that belief. Your interpretation is "subjective", it doesn't cite scripture to interpret the symbols used in Revelation 13. In fact, it ignores scripture.

The Holy Spirit illuminates how scripture applies to us, so we repent and believe it, obey it. He aids our diligent study of scripture, seeking the answers to our questions in Scripture itself.

But from the vast diversity in interpretation of Revelation 13 among true believers, all filled with God the Holy Spirit aiding their study of scripture, its obvious God does not provide "a perfect and complete interpretation of Revelation 13.

And that explains how, even angels debate the meaning of scripture among themselves:

To them it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to us they were ministering the things which now have been reported to you through those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven-- things which angels desire to look into (1 Pet. 1:12 NKJ)