Did the Son have a beginning?

[Free]

which do you use "Yeshua" or Jesus ?

What does the Greek say, which is what the NT was written in? That's what you should be looking at.

 

[D-D-W]

What does the Greek say, which is what the NT was written in? That's what you should be looking at.

Ἰησοῦς

 

[locust]

What does the Greek say, which is what the NT was written in? That's what you should be looking at.

ok ,I checked . and found you use Jesus to refer to the son of God . thank you

 

[Free]

ok ,I checked . and found you use Jesus to refer to the son of God . thank you

Please stop with silly, pointless replies to serious questions. This is a debate forum and this is a very important and serious topic. I asked you a question, please answer it.

 

[D-D-W]

Brothers and sisters in Christ, today I want to pose a question that has pondered theologians for centuries: Did the Son of God, Jesus Christ our Lord, have a beginning? We all know from Scripture that Jesus walked among us, that He is the Word made flesh (John 1:14). But when we delve into the mystery of the God, we grapple with passages that hint at Jesus' pre-incarnate existence

The reason this is a quandary is that it is impossible to wrap the human mind around the concept of eternity. Time does not exist, at least not as we know it.

 

[locust]

The reason this is a quandary is that it is impossible to wrap the human mind around the concept of eternity. Time does not exist, at least not as we know it.

right ,we may as well say its been a googleplex to the 10th power.

 

[SolaScriptura]

which do you use "Yeshua" or Jesus ?

Jesus is perfectly fine

 

[JLB]

i'd like to help you out here , you've made a few grammatical errors . not picking on you ,its something seen often . in the Bible when we see LORD in capital letters it means it replaces the name that should be there. in English that name is Jehovah . some bibles will use YHWH yet that's not the name in English .
another tidbit is when referring to any other god besides Jehovah God the ''g'' is always lower case .
and this concludes today's lesson .

LORD = YHWH

The word Jehovah is a man made word that originated around the 1500’s.

Moses nor anyone else in the Bible would have used that name.

Yah = Lord - H3050

hovah = ruin, wickedness, H1943


Jesus is LORD; YHWH

 

[JLB]

you don't but others do . you could be speaking saying spirit meaning holy spirit but some other is hearing team spirit or 13 other spirit's .
I am surprised we never came up with a way to indicate which with out adding more words . if I were to invite you over and said bring some spirits with you . I'm thinking/speaking of alcohol you may bring a the Ouija board.

Others may build their understanding from dictionaries which may be why there is so much misunderstanding about who Jesus is.

Jesus is LORD.

that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.”
Romans 10:9-13

• For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.”

What is the name of the LORD we call on to be saved?

 

[locust]

this thing you call spirit . can you's define it ?

 

[Free]

this thing you call spirit . can you's define it ?

Why do you expect people to answer your questions when you refuse to answer others' questions?

Again, regarding using Yeshua or Jesus, what does the Greek say, which is what the NT was written in? That's what you should be looking at. HERE.

 

[locust]

Why do you expect people to answer your questions when you refuse to answer others' questions?

Again, regarding using Yeshua or Jesus, what does the Greek say, which is what the NT was written in? That's what you should be looking at. HERE.

is that your attempt at intimidation ? for some odd reason you have attacked me at every turn.

 

[Free]

is that your attempt at intimidation ? for some odd reason you have attacked me at every turn.

I have never attacked you. It's an attempt to get you to answer a simple question--relevant to something you asked--which you almost always fail to do. You're very disrespectful and disingenuous.

 

[Randy]

Jesus was Suprere Creator, and all of creation he maintains and sustains

I would think the one He calls His God is greater then Him. You just ignore all questions asked and spew your belief.

Whatever He does it's by the Fathers Deity in Him.

God spoke to us in these last days by His Son. The Father living in Him doing His work.
God created by/through/for His Son. The Father living in Him doing His work.

Nicene creed, your teacher - "through Him all things were made"

 

[Randy]

Sorry Randy

You are just stating opinion. You argue because you lean on your own understanding and opinion, rather than allow the scriptures, and the Holy Spirit to guide you.


Here is what the scriptures actually say.


But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And: “You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands. Hebrews 1:8-10


The Father calls the Son, LORD. (YHWH)

The Son is called LORD, (YHWH) by the Father.

The Son, created the heavens and the earth.

Sorry JLB but that was about Gods Son. He is called God and He did receive honor and glory and power not because He is the living God from whom all things come but as stated here, "You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness" and in Rev
"He purchased for GOD peoples from all nations by His blood".

Differences shown between God our Father, and Jesus our Lord.

Jesus calls the Father the only true God, and our God.

Same writer and about the Son not about the true God. The Son who God spoke through, the Son God appointed heir of all things and the Son through whom God made all things.
Hebrews 1
1In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.

This is the Fathers doing Col 1:19 and His Firstborn is all that He is. God in that context.

Hence therefore God, YOUR GOD has set you above your companions.

 

[Randy]

Same God also stated that he knows no other Savior, so since jesus is the savior?

As I read what Jesus stated to Nicodemus.
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

Jesus reading from the scroll of Isaiah
The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners,

If you seen me you have seen the Father
Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves.

It seems both were involved but the Son came to do the Fathers will not His own will.

 

[Randy]

The Infallible Word of God in The 66 Inspired Books of the Holy Bible, is very clear to all who will hear what It Teaches on God

There is One Godhead, or Divine Nature. There are Three Distinct Persons Who are 100% CoEqual as YHWH, that is, Eternal, Self-Existing, with no priority or subordination to either Person.

Neither Person can ever have had a "beginning" to their "Existence", as they are Eternal, without beginning or end. The Father is NOT "greater" than Jesus Christ in the Eternal Godhead. However, for the purpose of the Incarnation, Jesus Who IS YHWH, took upon Himself the "nature of man", and became The God-Man. At this time, and during His time on earth, Jesus submitted Himself to the Father, though at the same time, remained COEQUAL, in His Deity. This is very clearly taught in places like John 17:5; Philippians 2:5-11, and Hebrews 2:9, which must be looked at in the Greek, to get a good understanding of what it written.

The Father is Jesus's God and Father but He is not the greater? You need to convince Jesus not me for I follow Him.

John 14:28

 

[locust]

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I have never attacked you. It's an attempt to get you to answer a simple question--relevant to something you asked--which you almost always fail to do. You're very disrespectful and disingenuous.

Matthew 7:3-5​

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3 Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

 

[locust]

The Father is Jesus's God and Father but He is not the greater? You need to convince Jesus not me for I follow Him.

John 14:28

Matthew 11:11 ''Truly I say to you, among those born of women, there has not been raised up anyone greater than John the Baptist, but a lesser person in the Kingdom of the heavens is greater than he is.''
here Jesus is speaking of him self as being the lesser one . the father is greater even much greater

 

[Elijah7777]

Did the Son of God, Jesus Christ our Lord, have a beginning?

Jesus created time.