Attention Pre-Tribbers

[Ryan]

Please Read.

Miss Corrie Ten Boom was a Dutch survivor of the Nazi Concentration Camps. Her family had hidden Jews during the German occupation of Holland. For this they had been captured and sent off. Corrie was the only one to come out alive. Corrie was just one of the many evangelical Christians sent to concentration camps during the World War II. Her life hung in the balance...

http://www.emoaf.org/RAPTURE.html

 

[jasoncran]

can we move this to the end times? this isn't the right place. it will become a debate.

 

[Ryan]

My bad

 

[jasoncran]

its not like i didn't disagree with your premise fully but i am not a futurist. i believe that we are in the great trib(general). Christians die daily for the Lord.

 

[turnorburn]

I haven't heard her name mentioned for years what a dear sweet sister in Christ she was/is..

Thanks for the mention!

tob

 

[jasoncran]

she met her rapist and forgave him before he died for his crimes. he died a believer

 

[Ryan]

I haven't heard her name mentioned for years what a dear sweet sister in Christ she was/is..

Thanks for the mention!

tob

I had never heard about her until today. What a remarkable lady and testimony.

 

[Ryan]

its not like i didn't disagree with your premise fully but i am not a futurist. i believe that we are in the great trib(general). Christians die daily for the Lord.

I won't change your mind, but scripture can have multiple fulfilments. Trouble is, looking at things along a linear model instead of how God planned the world and his ways as being cyclical, eg: Sabbath's, new moons, feasts, jubilee years, ect.

Ecclesiastes 1:9 "That which has been is what will be,
That which is done is what will be done,
And there is nothing new under the sun.

But I digress, and shouldn't take away from this lady and the message to pre-tribbers.

 

[Eugene]

Please Read.

Miss Corrie Ten Boom was a Dutch survivor of the Nazi Concentration Camps. Her family had hidden Jews during the German occupation of Holland. For this they had been captured and sent off. Corrie was the only one to come out alive. Corrie was just one of the many evangelical Christians sent to concentration camps during the World War II. Her life hung in the balance...

http://www.emoaf.org/RAPTURE.html

Thanks for bringing this wonderful sister to mind. I was able to hear her in person and what a blessing she was to all that heard her. I don't agree with her as pertaining to the rapture, but by now she knows the truth of it. At the time she would not go into end times subjects, at least with her speaking in public for she thought it separated.

 

[TOG]

In America, the churches sing, "Let the congregation escape tribulation", but in China and Africa the tribulation has already arrived.

I read recently that there were 196 countries in the world, and that Christians were being persecuted in 139 of them. (The blog I read this in didn't link to any sources, but did mention Amnesty International. Can anyone here confirm this?) If those numbers are correct, that means that tribulation has already come to 71% of the world's countries. And there's one of the biggest problems with the pre-tribulation rapture theory. How do you define when the tribulation has started?

The TOG​

 

[jasoncran]

you do realize that she is in heaven.

 

[Eugene]

I read recently that there were 196 countries in the world, and that Christians were being persecuted in 139 of them. (The blog I read this in didn't link to any sources, but did mention Amnesty International. Can anyone here confirm this?) If those numbers are correct, that means that tribulation has already come to 71% of the world's countries. And there's one of the biggest problems with the pre-tribulation rapture theory. How do you define when the tribulation has started?

I would then have to ask if the tribulation began before 70AD? Read of Paul’s life in the faith ending with his head cut off.

2 Tim 3:10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
2 Tim 3:11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
2 Tim 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

1 Peter 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:
1 Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

No, the tribulation will be a temptation to come upon all the world. Certain ones will be kept from it and be present with Christ prior to the tribulation pronounced beginning in Revelation Chapter Six. Full blown tribulation will begin in the second three and one half years and it is said in Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

 

[Ryan]

Eugene,

I am convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is no pre-trib that will take us out of the great tribulation. We will be spared God's wrath, that he has assured us, but please don't lose faith when it doesn't happen. I say this with all sincerity. The way this world is a moving and a shaking lately... Just don't be discouraged my friend when it doesn't play out the way that most pre-tribbers think it will.

 

[Eugene]

Dear Brother Ryan. I won't be disappointed with Christ standing with me even in the fire. I expect a great multitude of believing to arrive in heaven come out of great tribulation according to Rev 7:14-15. I also know by promise there are those of Revelation 4:4 and 4:6 with Jesus before the tribulation begins I hope to attain unto. In the judgment of the church in Revelation Chapters Two and Three there are two assemblies shown with crowns, and they match them redeemed out of all nation, tongues, and people of Revelation 5:9-10. There is going to be a bride reigning with Jesus and they are it.

 

[sevenfold]

The bride reigning with christ is the 144,000 NOT the great multitude that comes out of the Great Tribulation. The bride are those of the Melchizedek priesthood who do not deny the Father's authority from Rev 3:7. They keep the New moons, the Sabbath, and the holy days according to the temple Jubilee calendar. And they do not eat meat that is sacrificed to idols. They are the ones who are sealed and witheld from the hour of temptation. The great multitude are those who mean well, however they have been deceived by the Sun cult religious system (Sunday worship, Christmas, Easter, triune system, and the worship of angels instead of The one true God. Jesus is a angel (a powerful one) but he is NOT The Most High, and should not be worshipped or prayed to, only thru. When the last of the144,000 is sealed, the earth will be harmed ushering in the Great Tribulation. The Father loves all those who call on the name of Jesus, and He desires that none should perish, but all come to repentance, hence the 2 witnesses. They will be preaching the same gospel Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Moses, the prophets, our beloved Messiah, the Apostles and the Church of God is preaching. From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another. All flesh come and worship before Me says the Lord. It is the royal priesthood and the Father does not change. Once the great multitude hears the gospel preached to all the world they will repent and take the Passover and be strengthened to not worship the beast. They will be murdered. There is no way around it. But he who endures to the end of the same shall be saved with a white robe waiting on the other side. If you notice in Revelation 7:17 God wipes away every tear from their eyes. They will be guests at the wedding, not the bride. and that is a great honor, they make it in the first resurrection, and they get paid the same as those who were witheld from the hour of temptation "white robes". Thats what the parable of the workers in the field represent.
The truth shall set you free, Lakiem

 

[Malachi]

Miss Corrie Ten Boom was a Dutch survivor of the Nazi Concentration Camps...

What exactly does this have to do with the pre-tribulation Rapture of the Church? What happened during the Holocaust is nothing compared to what will happen during the Day of the Lord.

 

[Kathi]

What exactly does this have to do with the pre-tribulation Rapture of the Church? What happened during the Holocaust is nothing compared to what will happen during the Day of the Lord.

I am totally confused.The OP says Attention Pre-Tribbers but I do not see the connection either.Would you please give me a 101 on what your point is.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I am totally confused.The OP says Attention Pre-Tribbers but I do not see the connection either.Would you please give me a 101 on what your point is.

The point seems to be that the writer of this thread is saying we are going through the trib now, therefore there is no pre-trib, therefore, attention all pre-tribers, wake up!

 

[Malachi]

I am totally confused.The OP says Attention Pre-Tribbers but I do not see the connection either.Would you please give me a 101 on what your point is.

Someone needs a 101 on the Great Tribulation and the Day of the Lord.

 

[reba]

Please remember while posting.... There are different views on end times that fall into our Statement of Faith.. Please respect other members views , Disagree yup for sure but keep it respectful...
pre.... mid.... post trib... are all ok here... post trib includes partial preterism..

This post is not directed at any one .. it is posted because the activity is up. thanks reba