Easier to forgive than to trust again

[jasonc]

God speaks to our hearts.He gave us the Holy Spirit as our counselor to guide and direct us.If I am doing something that is way off from what God wants me to do I feel strange.I feel uncomfortable.I know something is not right.

god sometimes allows us to be hurt. he did lead his own son into temptation, jesus fasted and was lead to go to the wilderness where satan was tempting him. I want to be clear. god lead his son to the place where satan came along to tempt and god allowed that. we may be lead to a place where god wants us but satan also will be there. do we then not go? that is my point.

ever think that atheist is there not to be saved but to teach you something and just irritates you? or that sinner you try to help that uses you?

 

[Edward]

Why don't we use our brain?God gave us a brain.

That's a good question, and it's not always easy to do this. This is all we've known and been taught to respect is using our mind and being smart/wise/knowledgeable and so forth.

It's almost an entire different thread to answer it. But in short, it's all tied in with many scriptures.
Lean not upon your own understanding. Proverbs 3:5-6
there is a way which seem right unto a man but leads to death Proverbs 14:12
the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God 1 Corinthians 3:19
If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Galatians 5:25
become as little children or you wont enter the Kingdom of God Matthew 18:3

When we become born again, and are to be renewed, it begins. We have been lied to our entire lives about how to live. We don't know how. Because we have been living with our so called smart brains and been conditioned to ignore the spiritual aspects of existence and life. We are spiritual beings trapped in a flesh body. So in order to put the old man aside, we have to throw all of our earthly wisdom (ha!) out the window and reach out to our Lord in faith and trust to have Him teach us how to live and walk. As a little child trusts their daddy to lead them and care for them. We cry out abba, Father, and take Him by the hand to be led and protected through the valley of the shadow of death. I don't know anything, and neither do you. We need to trust our daddy to teach us, and He will. But we have to quit trying to be smart, and accept that we know nothing and must be taught these things...As a little child.

Spiritual beings do not *think* like man does, with their brain. They are one with God in Spirit and when they need to know something...it is given, if they do not already possess the knowledge. Since they do not think with their brains, it is from somewhere else within them. I like to think of it as *thinking* from their heart, (but I do not know if this is the actual truth of it) because I know very little about how spiritual beings function. So I liken it to thinking from the heart. Because much is internal and based on love, so it's the best analogy I can *think* of, lol.

I hope that makes sense. Go through those scriptures a little and try to glean what I am saying, and start paying attention to other scriptures which speak along the same lines. It's all tied in there together, about living for the spirit and walking with the spirit, and setting the flesh aside. You are a spiritual being on a human journey. it is in this mindset that one sets aside the world and seeks God. Daily.

 

[Kathi]

god sometimes allows us to be hurt. he did lead his own son into temptation, jesus fasted and was lead to go to the wilderness where satan was tempting him. I want to be clear. god lead his son to the place where satan came along to tempt and god allowed that. we may be lead to a place where god wants us but satan also will be there. do we then not go? that is my point.

ever think that atheist is there not to be saved but to teach you something and just irritates you? or that sinner you try to help that uses you?

God puts many in our path for so many reasons.Some of those reasons we do not even understand.

 

[Kathi]

That's a good question, and it's not always easy to do this. This is all we've known and been taught to respect is using our mind and being smart/wise/knowledgeable and so forth.

It's almost an entire different thread to answer it. But in short, it's all tied in with many scriptures.
Lean not upon your own understanding. Proverbs 3:5-6
there is a way which seem right unto a man but leads to death Proverbs 14:12
the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God 1 Corinthians 3:19
If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Galatians 5:25
become as little children or you wont enter the Kingdom of God Matthew 18:3

When we become born again, and are to be renewed, it begins. We have been lied to our entire lives about how to live. We don't know how. Because we have been living with our so called smart brains and been conditioned to ignore the spiritual aspects of existence and life. We are spiritual beings trapped in a flesh body. So in order to put the old man aside, we have to throw all of our earthly wisdom (ha!) out the window and reach out to our Lord in faith and trust to have Him teach us how to live and walk. As a little child trusts their daddy to lead them and care for them. We cry out abba, Father, and take Him by the hand to be led and protected through the valley of the shadow of death. I don't know anything, and neither do you. We need to trust our daddy to teach us, and He will. But we have to quit trying to be smart, and accept that we know nothing and must be taught these things...As a little child.

Spiritual beings do not *think* like man does, with their brain. They are one with God in Spirit and when they need to know something...it is given, if they do not already possess the knowledge. Since they do not think with their brains, it is from somewhere else within them. I like to think of it as *thinking* from their heart, (but I do not know if this is the actual truth of it) because I know very little about how spiritual beings function. So I liken it to thinking from the heart. Because much is internal and based on love, so it's the best analogy I can *think* of, lol.

I hope that makes sense. Go through those scriptures a little and try to glean what I am saying, and start paying attention to other scriptures which speak along the same lines. It's all tied in there together, about living for the spirit and walking with the spirit, and setting the flesh aside. You are a spiritual being on a human journey. it is in this mindset that one sets aside the world and seeks God. Daily.

We probably do not use our brain to its full capacity.When we get to heaven we will continue to learn.We will learn alot.

 

[jasonc]

God puts many in our path for so many reasons.Some of those reasons we do not even understand.

yet if we are to be a walled tank, how would we ever know? I cant say from what you post here but you come across as someone has a defensive wall of I have been hurt never again. that is understandable but I have have been hurt by women. should I forsake all women if I wasn't married or even divorced and god didn't lead me to do that? im not saying that one has to be married, just saying that a wall of protection that is there from a past hurt should be dealt with.i may be wrong. take it with a grain of salt

 

[Kathi]

yet if we are to be a walled tank, how would we ever know? I cant say from what you post here but you come across as someone has a defensive wall of I have been hurt never again. that is understandable but I have have been hurt by women. should I forsake all women if I wasn't married or even divorced and god didn't lead me to do that? im not saying that one has to be married, just saying that a wall of protection that is there from a past hurt should be dealt with.i may be wrong. take it with a grain of salt

I have lived and learned.And BOY OH BOY I have learned alot.God has given me some wisdom.I am not that naive immature person I was at 16.I am a new person in Christ and He has given me discernment because I have asked for it.He is the potter I am the clay I have asked Him to mold me into who He wants me to be.

 

[jasonc]

I have lived and learned.And BOY OH BOY I have learned alot.God has given me some wisdom.I am not that naive immature person I was at 16.I am a new person in Christ and He has given me discernment because I have asked for it.He is the potter I am the clay I have asked Him to mold me into who He wants me to be.

I say again nobody is sayin that one should be foolish. let me ask you this. if god led you to a healing ministry and I have done this and its starts of with the basic
pray for the past hurts to be revealed and to see it through gods eyes, to then move into what is codependcy, how to not to enable that, how to heal via forgiveness. how to also not to make oaths of I wont be hurt or he I vow to.. and such like.

and I add this caveat. you must be part of the small group and interact and share intimate things? honestly would you?

 

[Kathi]

I say again nobody is sayin that one should be foolish. let me ask you this. if god led you to a healing ministry and I have done this and its starts of with the basic
pray for the past hurts to be revealed and to see it through gods eyes, to then move into what is codependcy, how to not to enable that, how to heal via forgiveness. how to also not to make oaths of I wont be hurt or he I vow to.. and such like.

and I add this caveat. you must be part of the small group and interact and share intimate things? honestly would you?

A small group and share intimate things?How small of a group and what kind of intimate things?

 

[follower]

God puts many in our path for so many reasons.Some of those reasons we do not even understand.

We probably do not use our brain to its full capacity.When we get to heaven we will continue to learn.We will learn alot.

no matter how much of the brain is used, it (the worldly, carnal, flesh brain)cannot grasp the spiritual (until Yeshua 'breathes' on one to open their eyes; and then it is from the spirit, not from the brain, we learn from Yhvh, always always always in line with all of His Word).

believers today/in the past/whenever/ already know "more than their teachers", (as written some places in Scripture),
and the so-called scholars and specialists and scientists and religious teachers just don't get it. "babes" get it. (as Yeshua proclaimed with praise to Abba for thus it is His good Plan and Purpose).

trusting anyone (as if) by giving them money is so much less dangerous and practically unimportant compared to trusting anyone by listening to them and believing what they say religiously about anything. (that's how the enemy gets peoples souls, they listen to men/mankind/religious systems).

 

[jasonc]

A small group and share intimate things?How small of a group and what kind of intimate things?

gee. If I was afraid to post what I just said to a stranger on a forum.. I did tell YOU a stranger that I hate emotions. I wasn't called SPOCK as kid for no reason.

or that I also have had suicidal tendencies in the past though just thoughts. or struggled with porn. that stuff. yet what are you really? a person that I haven't meant behind a screen that posts what you feel. im not saying your aren't trustworthy but just making a point as all that for the most part is what I said to that group.i will not share with was told to me. but when I did that. I found out that I wasn't alone. satan doesn't want us to talk about our struggles to each other.

I seldom post what is really going on with me here. personal preference.

 

[Edward]

god sometimes allows us to be hurt. he did lead his own son into temptation, jesus fasted and was lead to go to the wilderness where satan was tempting him. I want to be clear. god lead his son to the place where satan came along to tempt and god allowed that. we may be lead to a place where god wants us but satan also will be there. do we then not go? that is my point.

ever think that atheist is there not to be saved but to teach you something and just irritates you? or that sinner you try to help that uses you?

I sort've agree and disagree with this. The Lord chastens who he loves, as a father would their son;

Hebrews 12:6-11
6 For whom the Lord loves He chastens, And scourges every son whom He receives.
7 you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? 8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. 9 Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? 10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness. 11 Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it./(NKJV)

God did not lead His son into temptation! Jesus was tempted, this much is true, but it was not by Gods hand:

James 1:12-14
12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed./(KJV)

A temptation took place allright, but God did not lead Him into it. Jesus was but a mere man at this time.
You know, along these lines, I have pondered before, and you know what I came up with? After Jesus was tempted, the Angels came to minster unto Him, right? It reads as if they came to feed Him and so forth, but I think it is much deeper than that. With the Lord, we go from strength to strength. The Lord empowers us or anoints us to an extent for our task at hand...then we go do it. If we hold our faith and walk in the Spirit, upon victory, we get a promotion or upgrade. This is what the Angels did for Jesus. They came to upgrade Jesus!

 

[reba]

Gal_6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

 

[jasonc]

our steps are ordered from the lord. are those just steps that are good or bad? the bible doesn't say but I know from the list of the faithful we have this man:
Samson. read up on that whoremonger and see if you cant say paul must have been wrong.

 

[Kathi]

Sometimes you guys get way too complicated and I am going 2

 

[follower]

.... see if you cant say paul must have been wrong.

the clay is calling the one taught by revelation by Yeshua wrong !?

paul , as taught by Yeshua, in Yhvh's Will and Purpose and Plan, and as He taught and lived and preached, was more 'right' and proven by the Creator Himself
than almost anyone else you ever heard of. certainly more 'right' and IN CHRIST tested and proven, than anyone you've ever trusted in your life.

 

[follower]

the clay is calling the one taught by revelation by Yeshua wrong !?

paul , as taught by Yeshua, in Yhvh's Will and Purpose and Plan, and as He taught and lived and preached, was more 'right' and proven by the Creator Himself
than almost anyone else you ever heard of. certainly more 'right' and IN CHRIST tested and proven, than anyone you've ever trusted in your life.

so much so, that Yhvh has seen to it that those who reject Paul or the other emissaries of the GOOD NEWS, also reject Yeshua within a year, and (potentially) never recover.

 

[iLOVE]

I do not trust anyone in the world.And I mean no one until they have shown me that they can be trusted.I have been disappointed many times in my life.Someone has proven me wrong and they were not the person that I thought they were.Jesus is the one and only that I trust completely and always will.

Kathi is right!
Psalm 118:8 ESV It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in man.

Micah 7:5 ESV Put no trust in a neighbor; have no confidence in a friend; guard the doors of your mouth from her who lies in your arms;

Jeremiah 17:5 ESV Thus says the Lord: “Cursed is the man who trusts in man and makes flesh his strength, whose heart turns away from the Lord.

Psalm 118:9 ESV It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in princes.

Psalm 118:8-9 ESV It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in man. It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in princes.

 

[jasonc]

Sometimes you guys get way too complicated and I am going 2

the bible is simplistic in parts and other parts it isn't.

I had to really bite the bullet while listening to a pro-prem mil pastor talk about the other positions.
my favorite[ quote]if a thousand isn't a thousand what is it?

if a thousand hills isn't really just that how small is god? two can play that.i feel that he was spooned the responses from pro premil apologetic.

 

[Edward]

That's a good question, and it's not always easy to do this. This is all we've known and been taught to respect is using our mind and being smart/wise/knowledgeable and so forth.

It's almost an entire different thread to answer it. But in short, it's all tied in with many scriptures.
Lean not upon your own understanding. Proverbs 3:5-6
there is a way which seem right unto a man but leads to death Proverbs 14:12
the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God 1 Corinthians 3:19
If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Galatians 5:25
become as little children or you wont enter the Kingdom of God Matthew 18:3

When we become born again, and are to be renewed, it begins. We have been lied to our entire lives about how to live. We don't know how. Because we have been living with our so called smart brains and been conditioned to ignore the spiritual aspects of existence and life. We are spiritual beings trapped in a flesh body. So in order to put the old man aside, we have to throw all of our earthly wisdom (ha!) out the window and reach out to our Lord in faith and trust to have Him teach us how to live and walk. As a little child trusts their daddy to lead them and care for them. We cry out abba, Father, and take Him by the hand to be led and protected through the valley of the shadow of death. I don't know anything, and neither do you. We need to trust our daddy to teach us, and He will. But we have to quit trying to be smart, and accept that we know nothing and must be taught these things...As a little child.

Spiritual beings do not *think* like man does, with their brain. They are one with God in Spirit and when they need to know something...it is given, if they do not already possess the knowledge. Since they do not think with their brains, it is from somewhere else within them. I like to think of it as *thinking* from their heart, (but I do not know if this is the actual truth of it) because I know very little about how spiritual beings function. So I liken it to thinking from the heart. Because much is internal and based on love, so it's the best analogy I can *think* of, lol.

I hope that makes sense. Go through those scriptures a little and try to glean what I am saying, and start paying attention to other scriptures which speak along the same lines. It's all tied in there together, about living for the spirit and walking with the spirit, and setting the flesh aside. You are a spiritual being on a human journey. it is in this mindset that one sets aside the world and seeks God. Daily.

I know this is complicated sister, but we have to get this, it's very important. Check this out and ponder it.

Romans 8:5-8
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God./

The carnal mind is enmity against God. It does not want to walk with God or to obey Him. It will lie to you and rationalize everything to you so that you will not obey or understand or to let loose of the worldly things. It will tell you that oh it's too confusing and so don't worry about it and simply cling to Jesus. Which is sort of a deception. To even take your mind (heart) off of God is to set yourself against Him. Does that make sense to you?

I watched a video by an excellent Pastor who spoke on this very thing. I'll see if I can find it so that you can watch it, he explains it better than I can, lol.

 

[Edward]

the bible is simplistic in parts and other parts it isn't.

I had to really bite the bullet while listening to a pro-prem mil pastor talk about the other positions.
my favorite[ quote]if a thousand isn't a thousand what is it?

You got me on that one brother, what is it?

You know, I was thinking (uh-oh lol)...All spiritual beings want worshiped. God and the enemy. The basics of this is to give them attention, right?

The Lord says, "pray without ceasing" This is good advice and we should do it.I try to do this, to treat Him as a friend. If I go to leave, many times, I'll say, want to ride to work with me Lord? or something like that. Even if it is not a deep serious prayer, to remain focused upon Him and talking with Him is a good thing I think. Chat. I try to keep the perspective as if He is in the seat next to me riding with me. It keeps me looking up, considering heavenly things and thoughts rather than worldly. Scripture says we are to do this too.

Sometimes, I'll get bad thoughts while I pray and stuff like that. I think we do or have at times. This is the enemy whispering into our ear. We are to take these thoughts captive and cast them down, right? So I do. And many times, I will rebuke the enemy and say to him. get thee behind me satan I worship the Lord my God and Him only will I serve, and so forth like that. A good thing to do this?

First instinct is of course it is. But consider this...Is this not giving the enemy attention?
Do we really need to say get thee behind me? Didn't Jesus pay that price for us and give us the authority in His name to already have this victory? I think He did!

If we are "in Christ" and Christ "in us"...and we are walking with Christ, focused upon Him as we are to do...is stopping our dialogue with Christ and spiritual focus with Him to give attention to the enemy and rebuke him even necessary? Can we not simply ignore him and remain focused upon our Lord in our hearts and spirit?

Get thee behind me satan? Isn't he already behind us? Jesus won, we won. Do not be distracted to give even this attention to the enemy? Giving the enemy attention is like paying homage to him when none is due...?

What do you think about that brothers and sisters?