Does God LOVE everybody

Very sorry to interrupt but I got some questions for all of you.

Have you ever created on your own entirely a physical or intellectual product that consumed so much of your time and energies? That besides perusing and interpreting the bible?

If so didn't you love the whole process of creating that product?

Would you say that the love for the whole process of creating the product is a separate thing from how you felt about each stage of the process of creation? Are they really that separate after all?

Your answers are most welcome but I don't mind if you ignore them. Still, I have to say if you can't answer the above questions, how can you presume to be in the mind of God your creator and fully capture what you are after?

tdidymas said:

Saved by grace.. it's an action by God.

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Again, grace is a noun.

We are saved by Someone... born of the Spirit.

It was because of the love God has for us that He sent His Son to die for us, that whoever believes in Him will be saved.

Sending His Son was the action of love.

Fastfredy0 said:

Question 1) Define "love"

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For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3


“If you love Me, keep My commandments. John 14:15


Love by God to us was sending His Son to pay the price for our sins.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16

Hast loved them, as thou hast loved me !

Jn 17:23

23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Now if God Loved all men without exception, then He must have Loved them as He Loved Christ. In context, Jesus is not only speaking of His Disciples, but of also all them that shall believe on Him through their word Jn 17:19-24

19And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

20Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

24Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

The word AS is the greek adverb kathōs:
according as

a) just as, even as

b) in proportion as, in the degree that

They are Loved in the same degree , even as God Loved His Son !!

This means, those Jesus will yet say this to Matt 7:23

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

If those who teach the false doctrine that God Loves all men without exception, then, these here Christ is speaking to in the Judgment, whom He will say to them, I never knew you, they were Loved by His Father in the same degree that the Father Loved Him ! 5

Whatever said:

Then why isn't everybody saved if He payed for their sins.

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For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16

Because many don't believe in Him.

JLB said:

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16

Because many don't believe in Him.

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If Chirst dies for every single human who ever lived, that would mean hell would be empty.

Also, even if you say that many do not believe in Him, wel their sin of unbelief would be covered under His death for them.

See the issue with that?

electedbyHim said:

If Chirst dies for every single human who ever lived, that would mean hell would be empty.

Also, even if you say that many do not believe in Him, wel their sin of unbelief would be covered under His death for them.

See the issue with that?

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Christ already died for all.

For the love of Christ compels us, because we judge thus: that if One died for all, then all died; and He died for all, that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for Him who died for them and rose again.
2 Corinthians 5:14-15

Unfortunately not everyone believes.

JLB said:

Christ already died for all.

Unfortunately not everyone believes.

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My friend, the Bible does not teach that Jesus died for every human who ever lived.

You simply cannot base a teaching on one Scripture.

I know there is no convincing you so I will leave it alone.

Grace and peace to you.

Whatever said:

So what. You said He died for everybody's sins. Is unbelief a sin - if so Jesus paid for it.

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Yes, Jesus paid the price for everyone's sin.

However, to gain the benefit of that gift you have to believe... which includes confessing Him as Lord.

that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9

electedbyHim said:

My friend, the Bible does not teach that Jesus died for every human who ever lived.

You simply cannot base a teaching on one Scripture.

I know there is no convincing you so I will leave it alone.

Grace and peace to you.

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3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time, 1 Timothy 2:3-6


The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9


For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. John 3:16-17


And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world. 1 John 2:2

Whatever said:

So what. You said He died for everybody's sins. Is unbelief a sin - if so Jesus paid for it.

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And if Christ paid for it, there is no one in hell.

JLB said:

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16

JLB said:

Because many don't believe in Him.

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Thats no reason, everyone God loved were not believers in Christ at first. Did God love them then when they were unbelievers ?

JLB said:

Again, grace is a noun.

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There are other action nouns, such as marathon, race, journey, battle, game, etc. There are many nouns that describe an action, so your objection is not valid.

JLB said:

We are saved by Someone... born of the Spirit.

It was because of the love God has for us that He sent His Son to die for us, that whoever believes in Him will be saved.

Sending His Son was the action of love.

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You are not proving that God loves everyone equally. You have the burden of proof, since I have already proved the contrary. It appears to me you are evading my proof to the contrary because you know it to be true, but you don't want to admit it because of pride. Pride can't admit to being wrong about something.

tdidymas said:

There are other action nouns, such as marathon, race, journey, battle, game, etc. There are many nouns that describe an action, so your objection is not valid.

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The biblical word grace is a noun.



Do you believe the Holy Spirit is a noun?

brightfame52 said:

Thats no reason, everyone God loved were not believers in Christ at first. Did God love them then when they were unbelievers ?

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Please use scripture.

I know it must be confusing for you to discover what the bible actually teaches, but please make your point with scripture.

Example:

3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time, 1 Timothy 2:3-6


The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9


For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. John 3:16-17


And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world. 1 John 2:2

JLB said:

The biblical word grace is a noun.

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Do you believe the Holy Spirit is a noun?

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You're not proving anything at all. It's an action noun, as I explained before. You're just not paying attention. Examine carefully the way Paul is using it in Eph. 2:5. He explains the action that God does to make an individual His child by giving life in Christ, that is, raising them to spiritual life, and he calls it "saved by grace." - BY GRACE. This means grace is the ACTION that God does to a person to save them.

Your "it's a noun" narrative is therefore invalid. I know what you're trying to do, which is evade the fact that God decides which people are born of Him, and it has to do with God committing an act of love for that person that He doesn't do for others. This proves that God loves some more than others.

But of course you will deny it, because you just want to argue about it.

Propitiation for our sins !

We know that God does not Love all without exception because if He did, all without exception would have had all their sins taken away and could not be punished for their sins, because scriptures says

1 Jn 4:10

Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

You see that ? God's Love was demonstrated to those He so Loved, that He sent His Son the Lord Jesus Christ to be the propitiation for our sins.

Now, those who have and shall die in their sins, it is evident that Christ was not the propitiation for their sins, meaning He did not satisfy God's Law and Justice for them, so consequently they must remain unbelievers and die in their sins Jn 8:24

24I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Its no doubt about it, Christ is being even now for all that He died for the propitiation for their sins before the heavenly mercy Seat and Throne of God.

The word propitiation here is the greek word hilasmos and means:

an appeasing, propitiating continually !

2) the means of appeasing, a propitiation

The Lord Jesus Christ for all them God Loved, He has established everlasting peace with God for them.

Its a Peace that the Son of God Made with His Blood Col 1:20

And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Peace is the fruit of propitiation, God is at Peace with with every soul Christ died for, and that is the fruit of His Love !

Now, those who shall yet hear these words Matt 7:23

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

God did not Love them, and did not send Christ to be the propitiation for their sins, because if He did, God would be obligated, for Christ's sake, to receive them into His Favor , because His Law and Justice had been satisfied on their behalf by His Son ! 5