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    Original sin and free will

    mondar In the garden Adam was nothing more than a robot. The only thing Adam had a choice in was wheather to believe God and not eat the fruit or not believe God and partake of it. That was the extent of his free will. After he ate of the fruit what was the first thing Adam notice? He noticed...
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    This is Why I Hate Xmas!

    Th1b.taylor. Ur right even tho I don't think the holiday has anything to do with celebrating Jesus I shouldn't disrepect Him by acting like an unbeliever. thanks
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    This is Why I Hate Xmas!

    elvispelvis, i agree but for different reasons. God did not tell us to celebrate Christ's birth. We are to celibrate His comming everyday rejoicing that He came to save us. Christians get so upset about non important matters. I heard on one Christian radio station that we are supposed to be...
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    Hebrews 10:26

    Num 15:30-31 30 'But the person who does anything presumptuously, whether he is native-born or a stranger, that one brings reproach on the Lord, and he shall be cut off from among his people. 31 Because he has despised the word of the Lord, and has broken His commandment, that person shall be...
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    Hebrews 10:26

    There were around 30 or 40 wanton sins committed under the laws of Moses that could not be forgiven. However, Jesus' sacrifice atones for even these. Acts 13:38-40 38 Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; 39 and by Him...
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    What if Adam had not sinned ?

    When you have no knowledge of good and evil. I tried a multi quote just to see if I could learn how. As you see it didn't work. So Even though it's useless I will continue my reply. YOU- "If God did not hold them accountable then why did you pronounced a curse on them?" my reply - When...
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    What if Adam had not sinned ?

    bazz1040 I contend that disobeying was not the problem. With no knowledge that it was good to obey and evil to disobey God then by the scriptures He did not hold them accountable for the disobiedance. Jesus makes it clear that its a heart problem when man sins. Adam did not believe God. He...
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    What if Adam had not sinned ?

    I see that we have no common ground. May Jesus smile on you today.
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    What if Adam had not sinned ?

    smaller; To convince me that Adam or/and Eve committed a moral sin against God by eating of the fruit then you have to prove to me that God holds people, who do not know good from evil, morally accountable for their actions. And you have to do this by the scriptures. To have knowledge of good...
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    What if Adam had not sinned ?

    Gen 2:16-17 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, "Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die." NKJV First- God never told Eve not to eat of the fruit...
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    What if Adam had not sinned ?

    I can't add anything to the main theme of this discussion. I just want to comment to those that say that Adam and Eve could not sin untill after they at the fruit. Right on! I know that this will not convince those that believe otherwise but here goes. Deut 1:39-40 39 'Moreover your little...
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    security of the believer

    Ro 8:12-13.
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    Christ and the Covenant ! -

    NKJVI savedbygrace I have edited my post because when I saw some of the Quoted scriptue highlighted I jumped the gun and presumed to know where you were headed. I 'm sorry. I'll wait to see where you are going with this.
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    security of the believer

    Amen. I lost interest in this post when it seemed to degenerate into conditions of losing salvation other than to quit believing in Jesus. The entire epistle of Hebrews deals with Jews going back to the old Livitical system of sacrafice. My reason for starting this post was to see if my new...
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    Differences in the giving of the Holy Spirit between the OT/NT?

    I also believe that the salvation under the new covenant and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is something entirely unique (though always promised, prophesied about, and foreshadowed) and that we cannot pawn it off as just being, I find this post very interesting. I'm making this post to see...
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    security of the believer

    Drew I was explaining why Jn 6:37-40,43-44 was true but then had to prove why it is no longer valid. If someone cites scripture I either have to accept their defination of what it means or prove by other scripture what it means to me , which, I hope is the truth. Tina, I'm sorry that I threw a...
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    security of the believer

    Thank you Nathanial , I finaly see a verse and it used to give me problems and kept me wavering between being able to lose salvation or eternal security. But first some of the many verses that support one being able to lose it. John 15:6 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a...
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    security of the believer

    "A true believer in Christ should have no fear or reason to lose salvation. By "true" believer, I mean one who does not keep on sinning as though regeneration, sanctification and repentence never happened and does not exit !" Tina I got lost at the end of your statement. But I agree with you...
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    A new Heart... Jeremiah 17:9

    Nathaniel, I don't know if this will help but here is some old testament scripture concerning a man that God gave another heart to: 1 Sam 10:9-10 9 So it was, when he had turned his back to go from Samuel, that God gave him another heart; and all those signs came to pass that day. NKJV Then...
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    security of the believer

    smaller I understand and have an opinion that people cannot lose salvation. But untill you back up your opnion with scripture it is just an opinion. Back it up with scripture and it becomes a belief. I stated why I believe that salvation can be lost and cited scripture. I do not believe that...
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