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    ex pre-tribulation rapture Christians?

    That's right, and lots of different opinions. In a few words, how would you distinguish 'last day' from 'last days'?
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    ex pre-tribulation rapture Christians?

    I'm actually glad you shared that with me. You may have noticed that when I refer to VanKampen and Rosenthal, I usually add that I don't agree with all of their assessments.
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    ex pre-tribulation rapture Christians?

    Thanks, again, although I'm not getting the "renders the personally spoken declaration of Jesus void" remark. We know resurrections transpired in advance of 'the last day' including Christ's resurrection, which we understand to have been unique, and thereby regard Christ as "the firstborn...
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    ex pre-tribulation rapture Christians?

    Hi Vic C., Long time no talk to. Nice to hear from you. I agree with your assessment of tereso in terms of protection or safeguarding. I think (since I'm not a Greek expert) our question concerns tereso ek; whether this involves protection within a time / arena of trial, or without, as...
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    ex pre-tribulation rapture Christians?

    The text I provided renders the phrase "I you shall be keeping out of the hour of trial" which appears to differ from your version. Are you quoting the NAB (Catholic) Bible? Otherwise, I agree that John wrote Revelation for dissemination to the seven ancient churches, and that Revelation...
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    ex pre-tribulation rapture Christians?

    http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/rev3.pdf
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    ex pre-tribulation rapture Christians?

    Regarding John I think your question relates to the correspondence between resurrection and ‘the last day’ according to the following verses: 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at...
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    ex pre-tribulation rapture Christians?

    Thanks, and also for the Lord's words, often cited with reference to the Great Commission.
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    ex pre-tribulation rapture Christians?

    Thanks reba, Here's a well known quote, often cited with reference to the Rapture. I'm sure you'll agree the author is Jesus. Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon...
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    Understand the AntiChrist

    Thanks TRUTH over TRADITION, Insofar as John, when he penned what he wrote about Antichrist, was addressing his contemporaries about things they were experiencing, or would soon see or experience, when should we understand that John’s contemporaries had previously “heard the Antichrist is...
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    ex pre-tribulation rapture Christians?

    I compared the competing hypotheses and decided the pre-wrath position explained by VanKampen and Rosenthal made the most sense. Although I do not agree with all of their conclusions, I think VanKampen and Rosenthal are correct in essence: An equality between Tribulation and Daniel's 70th Week...
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    Look Up Your Redemption Draweth Nigh

    I'm sure Peter was not mistaken. I think "before the great and glorious day of the Lord shall come (v.20)" is the key. God didn't waste any time pouring out His word.
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    Look Up Your Redemption Draweth Nigh

    As Emerson noted, "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." The Bible speaks literally, figuratively, and symbolically as appropriate, just like we all do. For example, if a man says he's "so hungry he could eat a horse" do...
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    Look Up Your Redemption Draweth Nigh

    Sounds like the opening to Joel 2 is about the onslaught of “a great people and a strong (v.2); a strong people set in battle array (v.5).â€
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    Look Up Your Redemption Draweth Nigh

    Agreed (I think). What's a "wooden" literalist?
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    Look Up Your Redemption Draweth Nigh

    Certainly, a fair question. I didn’t watch the video, although I wouldn’t be surprised at an absence of horses. I’d interpret ‘horses’ and ‘horsemen’ as symbolizing modern mechanized cavalry. Here’s a similar excerpt from Joel: 4 The appearance of them is as the appearance...
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    Does the Antichrist come from the bottoless pit?

    According to the following verses from John's Revelation, it looks like someone, or something, of a beastly nature and given to extreme blasphemy, will eventually receive power from Lucifer and proceed to make war with, and overcome, the saints, as well as wield power over all kindreds, tongues...
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    Look Up Your Redemption Draweth Nigh

    13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, 14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. 15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for...
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    Mark of the beast?

    That's a good point insofar as we do not have a world political power; and, I don't think the disparate nations of the world will ever completely surrender national independence to global governance. What we do see is the progressive architecture of a global financial system by linking...
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    Does the Antichrist come from the bottoless pit?

    Thanks Hitch, Agreed, Antichrist is anyone “that denieth the Father and the Son (1 John 2:22).†I would add Vladimir Lenin to your list and rank Lenin preeminent among such historical figures. The question is whether John’s advice, “as ye have heard that antichrist shall come (1...
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