1 Corinthians 12-14

[glorydaz]

I thinks "tongues" has been misunderstood. The "Spirit language" is something that can mean different things to different people, but some people are taught to just let go and they practice doing that. We're to worship in the Spirit, singing Psalms and making melody to the Lord. Sometimes it's difficult to find the right words when we pray...and that could be what some do.

But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it. Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

Even though the Spirit speaks through us, what is the point if no one understands?
[quote="Matthew 10:19-21":quwlquco] But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

We all pray and sing filled with the Spirit....that's not tongues.
[quote="Colossians 3:16":quwlquco]Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

Personally, I pray with the spirit, and my understanding also.

For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

I must say, I don't believe Jude was talking about "tongues".[/quote:quwlquco]

Well, you might want to take that up with Paul..because he is the one that said that praying in tongues, your spirit prays..but you do not understand what you are praying. 1 Cor. 14:14[/quote:quwlquco]

Perhaps you should read that verse a little more carefully.

For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my mind; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my mind.

For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding.

How can one express any kind of love without understanding?

And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.

I'm not sure how you can fail to see Paul is saying not to pray without understanding.

 

[awaken]

I'm not sure how you can fail to see Paul is saying not to pray without understanding.

verse 14 says if you pray in tongues... to pray to interpret

If you understood what you were praying..why would he ask you to pray for an interpretation?

 

[awaken]

1 Corinthians 14:14
"For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful." (1 Corinthians 14:14)


Paul said that when we pray in tongues, it's our spirits which are praying (through the Holy Spirit), not our minds (because our minds are unfruitful while we pray with our spirits, Paul said)......"praying in tongues" and "praying with my spirit" and "praying in the Spirit" all mean the same thing.


The Amplified Version of the Bible is often a useful study tool because it brings out various shades of meaning that might otherwise be lost in the translation from Greek to English. Here is this same verse in the Amplified Version:

"For if I pray in an [unknown] tongue, my spirit [by the Holy Spirit within me] prays, but my mind is unproductive - bears no fruit and helps nobody." (1 Corinthians 14:14, AMP)

In other words, when we pray in tongues, the Holy Spirit is providing the words to our spirits which we then speak out of our mouths. This bypasses our minds, which is why Paul said that his mind was unproductive when he prayed with his spirit.

So one type of praying is done with the mind, and another type of praying is done with the spirit. In this verse, Paul specifically said that the way he prayed with his spirit was by praying in tongues in the Holy Spirit. Again, "praying in tongues" and "praying with my spirit" and "praying in the Spirit" all mean the same thing.

When we talk about prayer, we're talking about speaking to God. Therefore, in this verse Paul was referring to the private form of tongues ( praying to God in the Holy Spirit, or "praying in the Spirit").

 

[glorydaz]

I'm not sure how you can fail to see Paul is saying not to pray without understanding.

verse 14 says if you pray in tongues... to pray to interpret

If you understood what you were praying..why would he ask you to pray for an interpretation?

If you were speaking in a language not understood by those in the assembly, you'd need an interpreter or they wouldn't understand what you'd said. For instance, if you were a Mede, you'd need someone who could speak your language and one everyone understood. See, we get back to people's understanding of what tongues really are. Tongues are languages...in Acts there was a miraculous work of God. In Corinth, there were carnal Christians out of order. Paul quoted Isaiah to point out their error and, while not refusing them from speaking in tongues, he was clear they should be moving on into maturity.

Did you read the scripture in Isaiah 28 that Paul was referencing? Why would he point out that scripture right in the middle of his talk on tongues? It's pretty important, for it speaks of judgment coming against those who engage in what the Corinthians were doing. He was attempting to rebuke them, not encourage them. He's giving them reasons why they should be orderly and of sound minds.

If the gift of speaking in tongues were active in the church today, it would be performed in agreement with Scripture. It would be a real and intelligible language (1 Corinthians 14:10). It would be for the purpose of communicating God's Word with a person of another language (Acts 2:6-12). It would be in agreement with the command God gave through the apostle Paul, “If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and God†(1 Corinthians 14:27-28). It would also be in accordance with 1 Corinthians 14:33, “For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.â€

I know this is long, and you may not want to read it all, but take a look at the people Paul is addressing. Do they appear to be Spirit filled believers? Are they people the Holy Spirit would be bestowing gifts on? There are contentions among them, and Paul writes not to shame them, but to warn them.

For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you.

1What will ye? shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love, and in the spirit of meekness?

It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you,...And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.

But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?

Now check out the similarities between these people and the verse in Isaiah. Do you see why Paul has referenced this Scripture?

When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? what shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.

In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment. For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean. Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

 

[Mysteryman]

Speaking in tongues is for the mature in Spirit, not babes . Babes still speak as a child, but one who is mature speaks as one who is mature.

Tongues with interpretation are words of comfort , exhortation, and edification. The same with prophesy. This edifies, or builds up the church. Interpretation of tongues and prophesy is for those who believe. Those who believe are the mature in Christ, not the babes in Christ. This is why Paul went to Corinth. He wanted them to grow spiritually, and mature spiritually.

He encouraged them to speak in tongues by telling them, that he spoke in tongues more than ye all. Paul also said that he was an example for them to follow. The babes in the word, should follow those who are more mature in walking in the Spirit. Those who are more mature, are examples unto the babes who are not mature in the scriptures. Paul went to Corinth. for this very reason. Spiritual growth is required, so that they will not be blown about with every wind of doctorine.

And for this very same reason, Paul corrected those in Corinth for eating the Lord's supper. We are to walk by faith and not by sight. God looks at the heart. When the nine manifestations of the Spirit are operated then as it says in I Corinth. 11:30 - "For this cause many are weak and sickly among you and many sleep " Sleep here , means spiritually sleeping.

Paul states in I Corinth. 11:33 - "tarry one for another" - care for one another. If you do a literal service, you are not caring one for another. All you are doing is a religious ceremony that God never intended the church to do ! God wants the church to operate the nine manifestations of the Spirit.

Then in chapter 12 and in verse 28 Paul tells the church that God gave the church healings, helps, and diversities of tongues.

 

[glorydaz]

Speaking in tongues is for the mature in Spirit, not babes . Babes still speak as a child, but one who is mature speaks as one who is mature.

Tongues with interpretation are words of comfort , exhortation, and edification. The same with prophesy. This edifies, or builds up the church. Interpretation of tongues and prophesy is for those who believe. Those who believe are the mature in Christ, not the babes in Christ. This is why Paul went to Corinth. He wanted them to grow spiritually, and mature spiritually.

He encouraged them to speak in tongues by telling them, that he spoke in tongues more than ye all. Paul also said that he was an example for them to follow. The babes in the word, should follow those who are more mature in walking in the Spirit. Those who are more mature, are examples unto the babes who are not mature in the scriptures. Paul went to Corinth. for this very reason. Spiritual growth is required, so that they will not be blown about with every wind of doctorine.

And for this very same reason, Paul corrected those in Corinth for eating the Lord's supper. We are to walk by faith and not by sight. God looks at the heart. When the nine manifestations of the Spirit are operated then as it says in I Corinth. 11:30 - "For this cause many are weak and sickly among you and many sleep " Sleep here , means spiritually sleeping.

Paul states in I Corinth. 11:33 - "tarry one for another" - care for one another. If you do a literal service, you are not caring one for another. All you are doing is a religious ceremony that God never intended the church to do ! God wants the church to operate the nine manifestations of the Spirit.

Then in chapter 12 and in verse 28 Paul tells the church that God gave the church healings, helps, and diversities of tongues.

I couldn't have asked for a better confirmation of what I've been saying...Bravo. :biglol

 

[awaken]

glorydaz, I read your post and there was a lot in it...but I am going to address just a few at a time..

I agree that Corinthians were immature, but they were manifesting the Spirit. Paul is just correcting their order in service. He is not saying not to manifest..just do it in order.

I also agree that tongue is a language, just not one that we do not understand ourselves..unless God gives us the interpretation. 1 Cor. 14:13 says..let him that speak in a tongue pray that HE may interpret..not someone else! So that verifies that the speaker is speaking a language that he himself does not understand. Verse 2 of that chapter also states..no man understands him.

Other than Acts 2 on the day of Pentecost...can you show me where they spoke in tongues and it was interpreted? Acts 10: 46..they spoke..but know one interpreted! Acts 19:6 same thing! Again I ask..who were they speaking too? They were magnifying and praising God..talking too God not man.

 

[awaken]

Paul quoted Isaiah to point out their error and, while not refusing them from speaking in tongues, he was clear they should be moving on into maturity.

Again, I agree that they were immature..but where we disagree in is..when they completely mature. You say when the word was complete? I say when Christ returns! So until we agree on this, we will not agree on much else that I am going to post on this thread.

"until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature [teleios], attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ." (Ephesians 4:13)....I do not know about you..but I have not attained the fullness yet!

"he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus." (Philippians 1:6)...to my this tells us that it will be carried on until the day of Christ Jesus!

There are many mature christians..but if they have attained to complete maturity..then you are saying God is through with them..as far as growing, right?

 

[awaken]

Did you read the scripture in Isaiah 28 that Paul was referencing? Why would he point out that scripture right in the middle of his talk on tongues? It's pretty important, for it speaks of judgment coming against those who engage in what the Corinthians were doing. He was attempting to rebuke them, not encourage them. He's giving them reasons why they should be orderly and of sound minds.

I have posted this on another thread...but we agree to a point on this scripture..

We agree that "uninterpreted tongues" have been used in Israel's history as a sign to the unbelieving Israelites that God's judgment had come upon them. Paul was quoting a prophecy from Isaiah 28:11-12:

"Very well then, with foreign lips and strange tongues God will speak to this people, to whom he said, "This is the resting place, let the weary rest"; and, "This is the place of repose"-- but they would not listen." (Isaiah 28:11-12)

This prophecy was fulfilled when the Assyrian army swooped down upon Israel speaking a foreign language (an uninterpreted tongue), carrying Israel off into captivity. Paul used an example from Israel's history to show that uninterpreted tongues are sometimes used as a "sign" for unbelievers that judgment has come upon them.

Then Paul pointed out that if an unbeliever enters a church where Christians seem to have lost their minds, the unbeliever wouldn't see this as a sign of impending judgment. This is why Paul said that prophecy is much more beneficial during a church service.

 

[glorydaz]

glorydaz, I read your post and there was a lot in it...but I am going to address just a few at a time..

I agree that Corinthians were immature, but they were manifesting the Spirit. Paul is just correcting their order in service. He is not saying not to manifest..just do it in order.

I also agree that tongue is a language, just not one that we do not understand ourselves..unless God gives us the interpretation. 1 Cor. 14:13 says..let him that speak in a tongue pray that HE may interpret..not someone else! So that verifies that the speaker is speaking a language that he himself does not understand. Verse 2 of that chapter also states..no man understands him.

Other than Acts 2 on the day of Pentecost...can you show me where they spoke in tongues and it was interpreted? Acts 10: 46..they spoke..but know one interpreted! Acts 19:6 same thing! Again I ask..who were they speaking too? They were magnifying and praising God..talking too God not man.

If they're talking to God, why do they need an interpreter?
So people can hear what someone is saying to God?

The fact that they need an interpreter shows that it was another actual language.

Some people claim it's God talking through them, and the interpreter is supposed to interpret God's words. I've actually witnessed someone doing that. Her interpretation suddenly turned into a praising God, and she had to apologize for getting carried away.

 

[awaken]

glorydaz, I read your post and there was a lot in it...but I am going to address just a few at a time..

I agree that Corinthians were immature, but they were manifesting the Spirit. Paul is just correcting their order in service. He is not saying not to manifest..just do it in order.

I also agree that tongue is a language, just not one that we do not understand ourselves..unless God gives us the interpretation. 1 Cor. 14:13 says..let him that speak in a tongue pray that HE may interpret..not someone else! So that verifies that the speaker is speaking a language that he himself does not understand. Verse 2 of that chapter also states..no man understands him.

Other than Acts 2 on the day of Pentecost...can you show me where they spoke in tongues and it was interpreted? Acts 10: 46..they spoke..but know one interpreted! Acts 19:6 same thing! Again I ask..who were they speaking too? They were magnifying and praising God..talking too God not man.

If they're talking to God, why do they need an interpreter?
So people can hear what someone is saying to God?

The fact that they need an interpreter shows that it was another actual language.

Some people claim it's God talking through them, and the interpreter is supposed to interpret God's words. I've actually witnessed someone doing that. Her interpretation suddenly turned into a praising God, and she had to apologize for getting carried away.

Who interpreted in Acts 10 and 19?

I understand why an interpreter is needed! Please give me more credit than that! I ask you to show me WHO interpreted in Acts 10 and 19.

We are talking in circles..I agreed that one talking in tongues needed an interpreter in an organized meeting.

Did Paul speak in tongues?

 

[glorydaz]

Paul quoted Isaiah to point out their error and, while not refusing them from speaking in tongues, he was clear they should be moving on into maturity.

Again, I agree that they were immature..but where we disagree in is..when they completely mature. You say when the word was complete? I say when Christ returns! So until we agree on this, we will not agree on much else that I am going to post on this thread.

"until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature [teleios], attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ." (Ephesians 4:13)....I do not know about you..but I have not attained the fullness yet!

"he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus." (Philippians 1:6)...to my this tells us that it will be carried on until the day of Christ Jesus!

There are many mature christians..but if they have attained to complete maturity..then you are saying God is through with them..as far as growing, right?

Remember, when Paul uses the word perfect, he is saying mature. Mature doesn't mean dead. We will never be perfect, as we use the word, but we can be mature. When we're born again, we're babes, then we're young men, then we're fathers. God isn't done with the fathers, but he uses them to guide and nurture the babes.

This is what the elders are for in the assembly. They provide an example...they have self-control and are not blown around by every wind of doctrine because they are grounded in the Word. They have gone on to the "more excellent" way Paul is speaking of which is all about the fruit of the Spirit....not the seeking after signs, wonders, and "experiences" in the vanity of the mind. Just as Paul didn't refuse the speaking of tongues, he did put limits on it because he saw it wasn't being done decently and in order. A father doesn't stop his children from being children, but he does encourage them to move on into maturity.

As an analogy only...Paul was addressing children. "Put away your childish things," he says, and move on for they are not profitable. Why is it, he says, that you all have to be the center of attention? Let one or two get up and the others wait their turn, but I have a better plan...let's all go out and rake the leaves and accomplish something worthwhile.

 

[awaken]

Paul quoted Isaiah to point out their error and, while not refusing them from speaking in tongues, he was clear they should be moving on into maturity.

Again, I agree that they were immature..but where we disagree in is..when they completely mature. You say when the word was complete? I say when Christ returns! So until we agree on this, we will not agree on much else that I am going to post on this thread.

"until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature [teleios], attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ." (Ephesians 4:13)....I do not know about you..but I have not attained the fullness yet!

"he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus." (Philippians 1:6)...to my this tells us that it will be carried on until the day of Christ Jesus!

There are many mature christians..but if they have attained to complete maturity..then you are saying God is through with them..as far as growing, right?

Remember, when Paul uses the word perfect, he is saying mature. Mature doesn't mean dead. We will never be perfect, as we use the word, but we can be mature. When we're born again, we're babes, then we're young men, then we're fathers. God isn't done with the fathers, but he uses them to guide and nurture the babes.

This is what the elders are for in the assembly. They provide an example...they have self-control and are not blown around by every wind of doctrine because they are grounded in the Word. They have gone on to the "more excellent" way Paul is speaking of which is all about the fruit of the Spirit....not the seeking after signs, wonders, and "experiences" in the vanity of the mind. Just as Paul didn't refuse the speaking of tongues, he did put limits on it because he saw it wasn't being done decently and in order. A father doesn't stop his children from being children, but he does encourage them to move on into maturity.

As an analogy only...Paul was addressing children. "Put away your childish things," he says, and move on for they are not profitable. Why is it, he says, that you all have to be the center of attention? Let one or two get up and the others wait their turn, but I have a better plan...let's all go out and rake the leaves and accomplish something worthwhile.

wow! you do that all the time..you cherry pick my post..and ignore the context of it. Did you even read the scriptures? or my question?

Complete maturity..does not come until Christ returns!

 

[glorydaz]

If they're talking to God, why do they need an interpreter?
So people can hear what someone is saying to God?

The fact that they need an interpreter shows that it was another actual language.

Some people claim it's God talking through them, and the interpreter is supposed to interpret God's words. I've actually witnessed someone doing that. Her interpretation suddenly turned into a praising God, and she had to apologize for getting carried away.

Who interpreted in Acts 10 and 19?

I understand why an interpreter is needed! Please give me more credit than that! I ask you to show me WHO interpreted in Acts 10 and 19.

We are talking in circles..I agreed that one talking in tongues needed an interpreter in an organized meeting.

Did Paul speak in tongues?

I'm sorry if you think I was speaking down to you. That wasn't my intent. I, too, feel like we are talking in circles, but I do try to answer your questions to the best of my ability.

When Peter was recounting the event in Acts 10, he says this...

And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.

Therefore, no interpreter was needed. They were speaking in their own languages praising the Lord. Peter saw they were filled with the Spirit the same as they were at Pentecost. It would be the same in Acts 19.

 

[glorydaz]

wow! you do that all the time..you cherry pick my post..and ignore the context of it. Did you even read the scriptures? or my question?

Complete maturity..does not come until Christ returns!

If you're going to get offended, there's no point in this discussion.

I will simply have to disagree. I've given you quite a list of verses that speak of our being "perfect" here and now. Perfect means mature...not completely mature or dead. Remember that long list of verses that use the term "perfect"? Go back and read them...we are not dead in any of them.

 

[awaken]

If they're talking to God, why do they need an interpreter?
So people can hear what someone is saying to God?

The fact that they need an interpreter shows that it was another actual language.

Some people claim it's God talking through them, and the interpreter is supposed to interpret God's words. I've actually witnessed someone doing that. Her interpretation suddenly turned into a praising God, and she had to apologize for getting carried away.

Who interpreted in Acts 10 and 19?

I understand why an interpreter is needed! Please give me more credit than that! I ask you to show me WHO interpreted in Acts 10 and 19.

We are talking in circles..I agreed that one talking in tongues needed an interpreter in an organized meeting.

Did Paul speak in tongues?

I'm sorry if you think I was speaking down to you. That wasn't my intent. I, too, feel like we are talking in circles, but I do try to answer your questions to the best of my ability.

When Peter was recounting the event in Acts 10, he says this...

And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.

Therefore, no interpreter was needed. They were speaking in their own languages praising the Lord. Peter saw they were filled with the Spirit the same as they were at Pentecost. It would be the same in Acts 19.

I did not say you were speaking down to me..you just do not address the whole post..you pick only part of it. Without reading the whole post..you will not get the whole context of it.

So now you are saying that tongues is a language that you already know? What is supernatural about that?

 

[awaken]

wow! you do that all the time..you cherry pick my post..and ignore the context of it. Did you even read the scriptures? or my question?

Complete maturity..does not come until Christ returns!

If you're going to get offended, there's no point in this discussion.

I will simply have to disagree. I've given you quite a list of verses that speak of our being "perfect" here and now. Perfect means mature...not completely mature or dead. Remember that long list of verses that use the term "perfect"? Go back and read them...we are not dead in any of them.

not offended..just an observation. You only reply to part of the post..but that is ok...We just do not agree.
I use to believe as you do..but to believe that way about spiritual manifestation..I found the scriptures contradicted them selves. As I stated at the first of this thread..once God has comfirmed a truth in scriptures and experience...it is hard to convince someone against it. That is why the discussion on gifts are so controversal..the ones that have experienced them...you will not change there mind.

 

[glorydaz]

I did not say you were speaking down to me..you just do not address the whole post..you pick only part of it. Without reading the whole post..you will not get the whole context of it.

So now you are saying that tongues is a language that you already know? What is supernatural about that?

I believe I've answered the same questions many times. I'm not sure you are reading all of what I write because it seems I keep repeating myself. I do get the whole context, but I can harldy address each point when you don't seem to be getting what I've already said.

As I've said...people have misunderstood tongues. They were always a language...even at Pentecost. The miracle was that people understood in their own language, even though it was spoken by those with a different dialect. Paul, himself, spoke many different dialects.

 

[awaken]

I did not say you were speaking down to me..you just do not address the whole post..you pick only part of it. Without reading the whole post..you will not get the whole context of it.

So now you are saying that tongues is a language that you already know? What is supernatural about that?

I believe I've answered the same questions many times. I'm not sure you are reading all of what I write because it seems I keep repeating myself. I do get the whole context, but I can harldy address each point when you don't seem to be getting what I've already said.

As I've said...people have misunderstood tongues. They were always a language...even at Pentecost. The miracle was that people understood in their own language, even though it was spoken by those with a different dialect. Paul, himself, spoke many different dialects.

Did Paul speak different languages before he knew Jesus?

If you would go back to my post there are several questions I asked you did not answer.

 

[awaken]

I started this thread to discuss these chapters in Corinthians...and to share what I have learned. I do not get offended if someone does not agree with how the Holy Spirit has taught me. That said I will share..1 Corinthians 14:15
"So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my mind; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my mind." (1 Corinthians 14:15)


Once again we can see two different types of praying: In the mind and in the spirit. Paul said that sometimes he prayed with his spirit (i.e. by the Holy Spirit), and sometimes he prayed with his mind. (1 Corinthians 14:14) .. when Paul prayed with his spirit he was praying in tongues in the Holy Spirit. So "praying with my spirit" and "praying in the Spirit" and "praying in tongues" are simply different ways of saying the same thing.


Paul said that sometimes he sang with his spirit. In other words, he was singing out the spiritual words that the Holy Spirit was giving him.

Notice that Paul was speaking of prayer in this verse, so the private form of tongues is being referred to here.





1 Corinthians 14:16-17
"If you are praising God with your spirit, how can one who finds himself among those who do not understand say "Amen" to your thanksgiving, since he does not know what you are saying? You may be giving thanks well enough, but the other man is not edified." (1 Corinthians 14:16-17)
Here are some of the important points in this passage:

Paul was speaking of praising God and giving thanks to God, so this is a reference to the private form of tongues (because the private form of tongues is for speaking to God).


Notice that the word "tongues" is not used in this passage, yet it's clear from the context that "praising God with your spirit" means the same thing as "praising God in tongues" (in the Holy Spirit). So once again we can see that "praising God with your spirit" and "praising God in the Spirit" and "praising God in tongues" all mean the same thing.