3 sabbaths and the mark of the beast

[Agape]

Have you ever wondered what the purpose was? What lessons can it teach us?

I now see the Sabbath could very well be about the natural rest cycles built into the living world around us. That the Sabbaths were about teaching the Jews how to live within a healthy range, in their own personal life, within their society and the natural world both plants and animals. If we look at all the various problems happening today with pollution, deforestation, poverty and debt all of these and more problems are connected with the never ending excessive consumption of our modern societies.

I believe the Sabbaths are pointing to a kind of resting time that needs to happen within the activities of mankind so that healing can occur. Just as people and animals sleep and are rejuvenated , the oceans, rivers, forests, soils, and animals also need a rest from us and our endless greedy 'work'.
I feel the sabbaths might also be about the natural limits built into the ecosystems that we need to come to understand, respect and accept in order for life to last forever.

Limits are very, very real in nature. A perfect example is the balancing between the wolf and the rabbit. There is a pulsing of the populations with the animals, increasing and decreasing. When they are decreasing that is the rest cycle built right into nature by God, I see that as natures sabbath.

Like wise I see the time of Christs return as a very great Sabbath rest of the whole entire world of all life and natural systems that will need to heal from all the destruction of our age.

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OK, let me ask this in a different way.
According to the Bible, why did God give the Sabbath to the Jews?

 

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Have you never looked into this topic before? It is very interesting if you read about the 3 sabbaths and all what was covered.

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[jasoncran]

What was the purpose of the Sabbath?

a day of rest, he would provide for them this day by faith. when mannah fell from heaven there werent to gather it. it would be enough on what they gathered on the day before the shabat. it was also for them to see that God created the world in like manner and ordered it for that purpose. that is long and in depth subject on the torah being in genesis and its function.

 

[VirginShallConceive]

@synthesis. we have the fullness in torah via christ. but we dont need to follow the law.

God put a monkeywrench in His Word to test you. God has sent me to warn you. Yes. You need to follow the Law. He sent Christ to cleanse the original sin of Adam and Eve. This will most definitely purify those who abide by the Law. However, make no mistake, wretched sinner. If you don't prove to God that you are willing to abide by His Law, you will burn in Hell!!! All praise be to Jesus Christ our Lord!!!

 

[jasoncran]

really?

the torah. you mean i should go out and slay the witches that i know. and i know of a few. or what about those gentile/ jewish shabat breakers. should i slay them too? or what about the homosexual, adulterer,liar, and fornicator? they all must die.

 

[Agape]

a day of rest, he would provide for them this day by faith. when mannah fell from heaven there werent to gather it. it would be enough on what they gathered on the day before the shabat. it was also for them to see that God created the world in like manner and ordered it for that purpose. that is long and in depth subject on the torah being in genesis and its function.

Don't you think the purpose of the Sabbath was to teach the "holiness" of God rather than a day of mere rest? (Exo 20:8).

 

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Yes......what makes something holy? When we take a moment, when we breath and take time to smell the sweet air, when we pause and observe the beauty of the sky, when we wait and listen to the joyful play of children....when we bit into a wonderful fruit and taste it's marvelous moist sweetness.... is this not Holiness???

We need to stop....take a moment...pause....rest....and receive a blessing....

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[jasoncran]

Don't you think the purpose of the Sabbath was to teach the "holiness" of God rather than a day of mere rest? (Exo 20:8).

no. the holy of holies does that, and the mere torah and the ordinances does that.Holy means set apart. the Torah sets apart the hebrews from all their neighboring nations. if you read up on what egypt and caanaanites did. then you will see. the shabat is a blessing.

 

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Hoping some out there are still interested in talking more about other lessons pointed to through the Sabbaths. I was thinking about the comment made 'a mere day of rest'.....this says much because in todays world rest is almost looked down upon as a weakness, if someone can work everyday extra hours etc that is some how considered strong.

Yet that is really out of balance with the very nature of life on earth. More and more I have begun to see that the sabbath might also be teaching us how to live in balance with creation. Understanding when to stop, what is 'enough' and then at that moment we 'rest' we see that endless gain is harmful and destructive.

So here is a question/thought, what if the Sabbaths are a way for God to try and help teach us through practice and inner awareness of our feeling and learning how to let go and stop and trust in him rather than in our own power and the power of civilization?

As I had mentioned at the beginning with the 3 Sabbaths and the mark of the beast. Perhaps we could just consider the possibility that the return of Christ was shadowed in the Jubilee, day of Atonement and Sabbath, which at times did all line up if I'm understanding clearly.

So then what would that look like in our day? What is everyone working at right now? Are we not all at work building the great cities of this global industrial civilization? Were not the Jews slaves to building the bricks for the civilization of Egypt?

Will we be able to let go and not look back like the wife of Lot?

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[chakham]

Sorry John I'm just used to most of us seeing 'now' as the time fufillig the 'shadow of the law',thank-you for making your point clear to me!

Sinthesis I agree totally it's NOT about earning anything, but there will always be a line between right and wrong and I see that line shadowed in the law. The day will come when we will always be able to know where the 'line' is and not cross over into sinful acts.

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If I may, I believe we have that ability to know where that line is now by reading Yehovah's Torah. God has told us are not that hard to learn and made easy to follow. Also the idea of inherited/original sin through Adam flies in the face of what God said in that we are not responsible nor are we held accountable for the the sins of our father but rather only our own. I also believe we have the ability to rule over that crouching beast called sin just as God told Cain he could. But Cain choose to do otherwise and eventually slew Able.

 

[John 8:32]

OK, let me ask this in a different way.
According to the Bible, why did God give the Sabbath to the Jews?

He didn't, He created it about 2500 years before the first Jew ever walked the face of the earth. It is given to man, not the Jews.

 

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Thank-you John for mentioning that very good point!

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[Ryan]

As I had mentioned at the beginning with the 3 Sabbaths and the mark of the beast. Perhaps we could just consider the possibility that the return of Christ was shadowed in the Jubilee, day of Atonement and Sabbath, which at times did all line up if I'm understanding clearly.
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Would it be a stretch to conclude that as Jesus fulfilled the spring feasts of Passover, Unleavened Bread, First Fruits and Pentecost to the day, why wouldn't he also fulfill the fall feasts to the day as well? Feast of Trumpets (Yom Teruah), Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur) and Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot) still need to be fulfilled. Sukkot and making a "sukkah" was what Peter had in mind in Luke 9:33 "And as these were leaving Him, Peter said to Jesus, “Master, it is good for us to be here; let us make three tabernacles: one for You, and one for Moses, and one for Elijahâ€â€”not realizing what he was saying." The last phrase "not realizing what he was saying" I'm a bit stumped with, but I think this could mean he correctly identified the situation, but the timing was off as in Luke 9:21 that Jesus was to suffer and must rise on the 3rd day. As well, nothing would indicate the Feast of Tabernacles was going on at that time.

Just throwing it out there if you had the same thoughts.

 

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Yes I have wondered that as well,

Notice this account in Exodus 23:14 "Three times a year you shall celebrate a feast to Me. 15 "You shall observe the Feast of Unleavened Bread ; for seven days you are to eat unleavened bread, as I commanded you, at the appointed time in the month Abib, for in it you came out of Egypt. And none shall appear before Me empty-handed. 16 "Also you shall observe the Feast of the Harvest of the first fruits of your labors from what you sow in the field ; also the Feast of the In gathering at the end of the year when you gather in the fruit of your labors from the field.

Have you ever wondered what the feast of the In gathering points too? If Jesus is the symbol for the first feast and then believers in the 2nd as the first fruits then perhaps the last one is pointing to a final great group of people whom are saved during the 1000's years? So then possibly this last feast will not come to fulfillment until the conclusion of the 1000's years?

Also notices these vs's Exodus 23:28 "I will send hornets ahead of you so that they will drive out the Hivites, the Canaanites, and the Hittites before you. 29 "I will not drive them out before you in a single year, that the land may not become desolate and the beasts of the field become too numerous for you. 30 "I will drive them out before you little by little, until you become fruitful and take possession of the land. 31 "I will fix your boundary from the Red Sea to the sea of the Philistines, and from the wilderness to the River Euphrates

Rev 9:5 And they were not permitted to kill anyone, but to torment for five months ; and their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it stings a man.

I see also a connection since the word for 'hornets' can be just 'stingers', and so perhaps the transition to life in the Kingdom might be a little more gradual than we've been taught, and event happening now could even be part of this driving out?

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[John 8:32]

Yes I have wondered that as well,

Notice this account in Exodus 23:14 "Three times a year you shall celebrate a feast to Me. 15 "You shall observe the Feast of Unleavened Bread ; for seven days you are to eat unleavened bread, as I commanded you, at the appointed time in the month Abib, for in it you came out of Egypt. And none shall appear before Me empty-handed. 16 "Also you shall observe the Feast of the Harvest of the first fruits of your labors from what you sow in the field ; also the Feast of the In gathering at the end of the year when you gather in the fruit of your labors from the field.

Have you ever wondered what the feast of the In gathering points too? If Jesus is the symbol for the first feast and then believers in the 2nd as the first fruits then perhaps the last one is pointing to a final great group of people whom are saved during the 1000's years? So then possibly this last feast will not come to fulfillment until the conclusion of the 1000's years?

Also notices these vs's Exodus 23:28 "I will send hornets ahead of you so that they will drive out the Hivites, the Canaanites, and the Hittites before you. 29 "I will not drive them out before you in a single year, that the land may not become desolate and the beasts of the field become too numerous for you. 30 "I will drive them out before you little by little, until you become fruitful and take possession of the land. 31 "I will fix your boundary from the Red Sea to the sea of the Philistines, and from the wilderness to the River Euphrates

Rev 9:5 And they were not permitted to kill anyone, but to torment for five months ; and their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it stings a man.

I see also a connection since the word for 'hornets' can be just 'stingers', and so perhaps the transition to life in the Kingdom might be a little more gradual than we've been taught, and event happening now could even be part of this driving out?

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Three Feast seasons...

Passover, Unleavened Bread and Wave Sheaf - a shadow of Christ's first coming, to be the perfect sacrifice and become the firstborn among many brethren

Pentecost - The firstfruits, the birth of the church and the first resurrection at the return of Christ

The Fall season:
Trumpets - the return of Christ
Atonement - the world finally becoming at one with God in the Millenium
Feast of Tabernacles - the Millenium and the establishment of the Kingdom of God on earth.
The last Great Day - the Great White Throne Judgment and salvation offered to those who have never had an opportunity

This is why Col 2:16-17 says they are a shadow of things yet to come...

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

 

[Agape]

He didn't, He created it about 2500 years before the first Jew ever walked the face of the earth. It is given to man, not the Jews.

Show me where in the Bible it is written that "the Sabbath was given to man".

 

[Ryan]

Yes I have wondered that as well,

Notice this account in Exodus 23:14 "Three times a year you shall celebrate a feast to Me. 15 "You shall observe the Feast of Unleavened Bread ; for seven days you are to eat unleavened bread, as I commanded you, at the appointed time in the month Abib, for in it you came out of Egypt. And none shall appear before Me empty-handed. 16 "Also you shall observe the Feast of the Harvest of the first fruits of your labors from what you sow in the field ; also the Feast of the In gathering at the end of the year when you gather in the fruit of your labors from the field.

Have you ever wondered what the feast of the In gathering points too? If Jesus is the symbol for the first feast and then believers in the 2nd as the first fruits then perhaps the last one is pointing to a final great group of people whom are saved during the 1000's years? So then possibly this last feast will not come to fulfillment until the conclusion of the 1000's years?

Also notices these vs's Exodus 23:28 "I will send hornets ahead of you so that they will drive out the Hivites, the Canaanites, and the Hittites before you. 29 "I will not drive them out before you in a single year, that the land may not become desolate and the beasts of the field become too numerous for you. 30 "I will drive them out before you little by little, until you become fruitful and take possession of the land. 31 "I will fix your boundary from the Red Sea to the sea of the Philistines, and from the wilderness to the River Euphrates

Rev 9:5 And they were not permitted to kill anyone, but to torment for five months ; and their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it stings a man.

I see also a connection since the word for 'hornets' can be just 'stingers', and so perhaps the transition to life in the Kingdom might be a little more gradual than we've been taught, and event happening now could even be part of this driving out?

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I haven't really thought about post-millenial and the "transition phase". Just working more so on trying to get family and friends to being there to enjoy it as well. Up till about 8 months ago when I first became saved, I was mid trib all the way. Now I have completely tossed that out the window and firmly believe believers will be there till the end. I believe the Fall Feasts give us the timetable when this is to occur, even if we don't know the year, and I think God wants us to know these dates or he wouldn't have said the days will be numbered. Slowly trying to relearn certain things I held firm to before, and maybe after a couple of months and gleaning information from various sources I can give more input. But it's amazing when you put the Feasts back into prophecy, the pieces of the puzzle make more sense.

 

[Ryan]

Show me where in the Bible it is written that "the Sabbath was given to man".

Exodus 16:27-30
27 It came about on the seventh day that some of the people went out to gather, but they found none. 28 Then the Lord said to Moses, “How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My [u]instructions? 29 See, [v]the Lord has given you the sabbath; therefore He gives you bread for two days on the sixth day. Remain every man in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.” 30 So the people rested on the seventh day.

 

[Agape]

Exodus 16:27-30
27 It came about on the seventh day that some of the people went out to gather, but they found none. 28 Then the Lord said to Moses, “How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My [u]instructions? 29 See, [v]the Lord has given you the sabbath; therefore He gives you bread for two days on the sixth day. Remain every man in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.†30 So the people rested on the seventh day.

Thanks Ryan.
Who is "you"? The Jews or everybody?

 

[Agape]

Holy means set apart. the Torah sets apart the hebrews from all their neighboring nations.

Agreed! But why does the fourth Commandment (Exo 20:8) stipulate that the Sabbath is to be kept holy?