7000 Years is Not Enough

[RBDERRICK]

You are combining a Kabbalistic method of interpreting the scriptures - by computing the numerical value of words - together with prophetic date-setting, both of which are NOT a good idea.

Kabbalah is witchcraft with a Judeo-Christian veneer, Jarhead. I suggest you drop it in favor of genuine Christianity.

God bless,
- H

This is true. For many, intellectual stimulation is preferable to believing simple words of Scripture.

The fullness of time after the resurrection of Christ, is when He comes again to judge and rule all the earth. How much time isn't the point.

Moses' and Peter's declaration of a thousand years being as day one is a spiritual teaching, not a mathematical equation.

The Scripture never says one day is a thousand years, nor a thousand years is one day. That's nonsensical. God's word always makes perfect sense when read as written.

 

[Paul Timothy]

This is true. For many, intellectual stimulation is preferable to believing simple words of Scripture.

The fullness of time after the resurrection of Christ, is when He comes again to judge and rule all the earth. How much time isn't the point.

Moses' and Peter's declaration of a thousand years being as day one is a spiritual teaching, not a mathematical equation.

The Scripture never says one day is a thousand years, nor a thousand years is one day. That's nonsensical. God's word always makes perfect sense when read as written.

I agree that the Bible makes best sense when read as written. I totally disagree with your conclusions though.

7k years is a perfect, clean, beautiful time period for all of this creation.

Adam to Abraham... 2k years.
Abraham to Jesus... 2k years.
Jesus to 2030... 2k years.
Jesus reign on Earth... 1k years.

Perfection.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

This is true. For many, intellectual stimulation is preferable to believing simple words of Scripture.

The fullness of time after the resurrection of Christ, is when He comes again to judge and rule all the earth. How much time isn't the point.

Moses' and Peter's declaration of a thousand years being as day one is a spiritual teaching, not a mathematical equation.

The Scripture never says one day is a thousand years, nor a thousand years is one day. That's nonsensical. God's word always makes perfect sense when read as written.

You've never read the general epistle of barnabus.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

From the general epistle of barnabus written between 70 -135 ad.

Barnabus 15

15:3) Of the Sabbath He speaketh in the beginning of the creation; "And God made the works of His hands in six days, and He ended on the seventh day, and rested on it, and He hallowed it."

(15:4) Give heed, children, what this meaneth; "He ended in six days." He meaneth this, that in six thousand years the Lord shall bring all things to an end; for the day with Him signifyeth a thousand years; and this He himself beareth me witness, saying; "Behold, the day of the Lord shall be as a thousand years." Therefore, children, in six days, that is in six thousand years, everything shall come to an end.

(15:5) "And He rested on the seventh day." this He meaneth; when His Son shall come, and shall abolish the time of the Lawless One, and shall judge the ungodly, and shall change the sun and the moon and the stars, then shall he truly rest on the seventh day.

 

[Jarhead4Jesus]

If I'm not mistaken ,Jesus said his work would be finished after two days.He said this after he had passed the age of 30.

Shilohsfoal, thank you for your response. Please provide the scripture reference so that I can reply appropriately. I don't want to assume that I know what you're referring to.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Luke 13:32

He said to them, “Go tell that fox, ‘Look, I’m driving out demons and performing healings today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will complete my work

Shilohsfoal, thank you for your response. Please provide the scripture reference so that I can reply appropriately. I don't want to assume that I know what you're referring to.

 

[miamited]

He said to them, “Go tell that fox, ‘Look, I’m driving out demons and performing healings today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will complete my work.’

Hi Shilohsfoal

Ok, so this 'third day' is a reference to the 'third day' in the tomb? I must admit that I'd never put that statement into much of my study. This is just days before Jesus is going into Jerusalem. But it isn't before what we know as Palm Sunday when Jesus rode on the donkey into the city, right? I'm trying to work out the 'today and tomorrow' that is mentioned as leading up to this particular 'third day'?

God bless,
Ted

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Hi Shilohsfoal

Ok, so this 'third day' is a reference to the 'third day' in the tomb? I must admit that I'd never put that statement into much of my study. This is just days before Jesus is going into Jerusalem. But it isn't before what we know as Palm Sunday when Jesus rode on the donkey into the city, right? I'm trying to work out the 'today and tomorrow' that is mentioned as leading up to this particular 'third day'?

God bless,
Ted

Luke 13:32
32 Jesus said to them, “Tell that fox that I will force demons out of people and heal people today and tomorrow. I will finish my work on the third day.

No,it has nothing to do with being in a grave.Jesus is discussing work.He says he will work two more days and then his work will be finished on the third.

Keeping in mind a day to the Lord is as a thousands years and a thousand years as a day.He would do his work for 2000 more years and then his work will be finished.That day would be a day of rest.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Hi Shilohsfoal

Ok, so this 'third day' is a reference to the 'third day' in the tomb? I must admit that I'd never put that statement into much of my study. This is just days before Jesus is going into Jerusalem. But it isn't before what we know as Palm Sunday when Jesus rode on the donkey into the city, right? I'm trying to work out the 'today and tomorrow' that is mentioned as leading up to this particular 'third day'?

God bless,
Ted

PS
I believed Christ was born in 2-4 BC.
Christ had spoken the previous verse after he was about 30 years old so 2000 years from 28 AD would be 2028.
I'm looking for the Israeli government marking its citizens in 2024 -25.
We'll see .

 

[miamited]

Luke 13:32
32 Jesus said to them, “Tell that fox that I will force demons out of people and heal people today and tomorrow. I will finish my work on the third day.

No,it has nothing to do with being in a grave.Jesus is discussing work.He says he will work two more days and then his work will be finished on the third.

Keeping in mind a day to the Lord is as a thousands years and a thousand years as a day.He would do his work for 2000 more years and then his work will be finished.That day would be a day of rest.

HI Shilohsfoal

Ok, I get it. Possible. We'll likely see how that works out as we're right at the 2,000 year mark. But this does fit within my expectations of 'within the next 200 years'. We shall see. Another 10 years would be exactly, as far as we know, at the 2,000 year mark.

God bless,
Ted

 

[Jarhead4Jesus]

PS
I believed Christ was born in 2-4 BC.
Christ had spoken the previous verse after he was about 30 years old so 2000 years from 28 AD would be 2028.
I'm looking for the Israeli government marking its citizens in 2024 -25.
We'll see .

The dates that you're using are interesting, although 2028 would be 2000 years from 'the acceptable year of the Lord' that Jesus declared in Luke 4:16-20. That would be the year of the Rapture.
The start of the Tribulation follows after two years (Hosea 5:12 - 6:3) which corresponds with the crucifixion and resurrection. The (7-year) Tribulation occurs 'after two days', this 'revival' is relevant to Israel, not the church. 'In the third day' refers to the Thousand-Year Reign of Christ when Israel has been raised up and lives in His sight.

 

[Jarhead4Jesus]

I agree that the Bible makes best sense when read as written. I totally disagree with your conclusions though.

7k years is a perfect, clean, beautiful time period for all of this creation.

Adam to Abraham... 2k years.
Abraham to Jesus... 2k years.
Jesus to 2030... 2k years.
Jesus reign on Earth... 1k years.

Perfection.

Paul, how do you perceive that the 'little season' of Revelation 20 fits into the 7000 years?
Is it curious to you that Christ was neither born, nor crucified in a nice rounded year like 4000 AM?

 

[Jarhead4Jesus]

This is true. For many, intellectual stimulation is preferable to believing simple words of Scripture.

The fullness of time after the resurrection of Christ, is when He comes again to judge and rule all the earth. How much time isn't the point.

Moses' and Peter's declaration of a thousand years being as day one is a spiritual teaching, not a mathematical equation.

The Scripture never says one day is a thousand years, nor a thousand years is one day. That's nonsensical. God's word always makes perfect sense when read as written.

I believe that when we look back over the fullness of time, we will indeed see that the time between events was also designed. The study of numbers/time and their relevance/correlation with events in scripture is fruitful. It is one more area where our faith can grow. If God created the heavens and the earth, did he not create numbers and time as well?

 

[Paul Timothy]

Paul, how do you perceive that the 'little season' of Revelation 20 fits into the 7000 years?
Is it curious to you that Christ was neither born, nor crucified in a nice rounded year like 4000 AM?

How long do you think a little season is?
Could it be less than a year?
And as for round numbers... we are human prone to error... God is much better at math than we are.
So I would expect that everything really will work out to be round numbers according to God's calendar.
But of course that is just speculation on my part.
But it will be neat to see all of history from God's perspective one day.

 

[Jarhead4Jesus]

How long do you think a little season is?
Could it be less than a year?
And as for round numbers... we are human prone to error... God is much better at math than we are.
So I would expect that everything really will work out to be round numbers according to God's calendar.
But of course that is just speculation on my part.
But it will be neat to see all of history from God's perspective one day.

The original post addressed the size of the 'little season'.
Concerning nice round numbers, have you considered the structure of the 360 day year?
7 day cycle
7 month cycle
7 year cycle

1 year, 3 cycles of 7.
Not very round. LOL

 

[Paul Timothy]

The original post addressed the size of the 'little season'.
Concerning nice round numbers, have you considered the structure of the 360 day year?
7 day cycle
7 month cycle
7 year cycle

1 year, 3 cycles of 7.
Not very round. LOL

No idea what you are talking about.
I am just putting forth a theory.
And unless you have anything constructive to say... then I won't bother anymore.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The dates that you're using are interesting, although 2028 would be 2000 years from 'the acceptable year of the Lord' that Jesus declared in Luke 4:16-20. That would be the year of the Rapture.
The start of the Tribulation follows after two years (Hosea 5:12 - 6:3) which corresponds with the crucifixion and resurrection. The (7-year) Tribulation occurs 'after two days', this 'revival' is relevant to Israel, not the church. 'In the third day' refers to the Thousand-Year Reign of Christ when Israel has been raised up and lives in His sight.

I do not believe in a rapture.The weeds are gathered first and burned.Im not a weed.

I do not believe in a 7 year tribulation.The correct time given in scripture for the saints to be persecuted is 3.5 years.

 

[Paul Timothy]

I do not believe in a rapture.The weeds are gathered first and burned.Im not a weed.

I do not believe in a 7 year tribulation.The correct time given in scripture for the saints to be persecuted is 3.5 years.

It very well be a 3.5 year trib.
Also I am in the "rapture" after the millennium camp.
The only place in Revelation(that I see) that mirrors the Pauline version of the rapture is Rev 20:12-13.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

It very well be a 3.5 year trib.
Also I am in the "rapture" after the millennium camp.
The only place in Revelation(that I see) that mirrors the Pauline version of the rapture is Rev 20:12-13.

There's a couple of things we agree on then.

 

[Jarhead4Jesus]

No idea what you are talking about.
I am just putting forth a theory.
And unless you have anything constructive to say... then I won't bother anymore.

My apologies, I was not trying to offend you.
The explanation concerning the 'little season' of Revelation 20 was given at the top of this post.
My purpose for bringing up the 360 days in a year was to show that, from God's original creation to the Flood, those years were structured in cycles that were based on 7's (days, months, years).
We can also consider other well known natural cycles, the unit of measure being 1 year, the Shemitah cycle being 7 years and the Metonic Lunar cycle being 19 years. These are the natural metrics that God created to keep time on the earth.
I agree that the 2000/2000/2000/1000 year breakdown resembles the creation week. Sure, that's a nice 7000 year picture, but it's also a very modern/western perception. If we look at the timeline as laid out in scripture, using the metrics that God has prescribed, we find that His increments are not nicely rounded.
Consider looking at the events of scripture through the following:
1 - 7 - 19 - 53 - 133 - 371 - 1007 - 7049