7000 Years is Not Enough

[RBDERRICK]

The first beast is not called the false prophet.

I was only speaking of the first beast.

It's the second beast that makes fire come down from heaven and causes the Jews to worship the first beast.

Decieved Jews and Christians alike. Only them seeing Jesus, and not persuaded by lying sings and wonders, will remain faithful to Jesus and His word.

It's the second beast that is full of those who come in Jesus name claiming to be in Christ .

He'll certainly help to seal them in the name and number of the first beast. It's the first beast's gospel that begins the deception, that could even affect the elect, if we don't stick to Scripture only.

The armed forces of the king of the north.

The armed forces of those rulers converted to the beast will first help in physical persecution of the steadfast saints, and then come gather around Armageddon to make way with the Lord Himself in the air.

Fire proceeds out of their mouths to devour their enemies.

Fire, smoke, and brimstone.

The two witnesses have fire only.

The wrath of God is against His enemies only. The wrath of man is more indiscriminate.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I was only speaking of the first beast.

Decieved Jews and Christians alike. Only them seeing Jesus, and not persuaded by lying sings and wonders, will remain faithful to Jesus and His word.


He'll certainly help to seal them in the name and number of the first beast. It's the first beast's gospel that begins the deception, that could even affect the elect, if we don't stick to Scripture only.


The armed forces of those rulers converted to the beast will first help in physical persecution of the steadfast saints, and then come gather around Armageddon to make way with the Lord Himself in the air.


Fire, smoke, and brimstone.

The two witnesses have fire only.

The wrath of God is against His enemies only. The wrath of man is more indiscriminate.

You missed the point.
Fire procedes from their mouths to devour their enemies.

The armed forces of the north will make fire come down from heaven.The false prophet.

Fire procedeth from their mouths.....

Fire commands are oral orders issued by leaders to focus and distribute fires as required achieving decisive effects against the enemy. They allow leaders to rapidly and concisely articulate their firing instructions using a standard format (Refer to TC 3-20.31-4 for more information).



Those evangelicals who worship the Israel government and it's nation can be found in the most interesting organizations these days.

 

[RBDERRICK]

The armed forces of the north will make fire come down from heaven.The false prophet.

Satan will make fire to come down out of heaven in the sight of men, at the word of the false prophet.

Fire commands are oral orders issued by leaders to focus and distribute fires as required achieving decisive effects against the enemy. They allow leaders to rapidly and concisely articulate their firing instructions using a standard format (Refer to TC 3-20.31-4 for more information).

I don't apply artillery fire commands and orders of fire to Scripture of God.

Those evangelicals who worship the Israel government and it's nation can be found in the most interesting organizations these days.

You impute allied support as worship, because of your own prejudice.

However, I do not go along with the idea of Jews by birth today, having anything to do with the promises of God. I don't support the Israelis, because they are Jews, but because they continue with a sense of liberty and a prosperous entrepreneurial economy.

The anointed not to touch, and prophets not to harm, are now the elect in Christ Jesus. The nation that blesses or curses God's holy nation of believers in His dead Son, are the nations that God blesses or curses accordingly.

Other than that, among the nations of earth, it's all fair game and plays for power. The only nation God personally sides with today, is His holy nation and body of Christ. However, He is also a just judge that honors any nation doing well by honest gvt and work.

Those of course are becoming fewer and fewer.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Satan will make fire to come down out of heaven in the sight of men, at the word of the false prophet.


I don't apply artillery fire commands and orders of fire to Scripture of God.


You impute allied support as worship, because of your own prejudice.

However, I do not go along with the idea of Jews by birth today, having anything to do with the promises of God. I don't support the Israelis, because they are Jews, but because they continue with a sense of liberty and a prosperous entrepreneurial economy.

The anointed not to touch, and prophets not to harm, are now the elect in Christ Jesus. The nation that blesses or curses God's holy nation of believers in His dead Son, are the nations that God blesses or curses accordingly.

Other than that, among the nations of earth, it's all fair game and plays for power. The only nation God personally sides with today, is His holy nation and body of Christ. However, He is also a just judge that honors any nation doing well by honest gvt and work.

Those of course are becoming fewer and fewer.

Do you not comprehend the word fire proceeding from a mans mouth?
It's a command given to these armed forces occupying Jerusalem for the last 42 months before Christ comes.
These armed forces in this verse.

Daniel 11:31
“His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation.


Is it that hard to understand their commanding officers who occupy Jerusalem for 1260 days can actually give the command to fire on their enemies?

Children can comprehend this.Its not that hard to understand.

 

[Jarhead4Jesus]

So you are using man made metrics to apply to God's calendar.

You present the metrics as coming from God... but these are still human metrics.

I don't worry about being exact... that is God's territory.

The metrics given are based on the sun, the earth and the moon, certainly not man-made. Others are found in scripture. I'm simply pointing them out for those who are interested in searching scripture.

 

[Paul Timothy]

The metrics given are based on the sun, the earth and the moon, certainly not man-made. Others are found in scripture. I'm simply pointing them out for those who are interested in searching scripture.

"Others are found in scripture"... man made metrics.
But how does this relate to anything?
I have no idea why all these silly divisions make any difference.
A bunch of numbers... numbers.... man made.

 

[Jarhead4Jesus]

Understanding the time of day and season etc... is one thing. Including the signs of the times in prophecy. But trying to figure out the details of prophecy by numbers is mostly intellectualism. Especially when we are told plainly it can't be done, because no one can know the day and hour of His coming again.

It's more sound to let the words of Scripture interpret it's own prophecy.

For instance, that great city Babylon is spiritually Sodom and Egypt, where our Lord was crucified: Jeruslaem. (Rev 11:13. 17: 18)

Perhaps I should have been more explicit, but if you look at the original post, and many of my comments since, you will notice that the metrics are all based on the year, not days and hours.
2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God..."
The numbers, dates and times of day are a part of scripture and therefore inspired of God. God loves us and wants us to search His word to gain knowledge, understanding and even wisdom.
James 1:5 "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him."

 

[Jarhead4Jesus]

The first beast is not called the false prophet.
It's the second beast that makes fire come down from heaven and causes the Jews to worship the first beast.
It's the second beast that is full of those who come in Jesus name claiming to be in Christ .The armed forces of the king of the north.Fire proceeds out of their mouths to devour their enemies.

Thank you for your remarks and insight, but please continue this portion of your discussion in a post that's more closely related to that subject. It's moved well outside the scope of this post.

 

[RBDERRICK]

That is much closer to what I said.
Why did you not just ask me before going off on a rant?

When you post something without qualification, and call it perfect, then honest people take you at your word.

 

[Paul Timothy]

When you post something without qualification, and call it perfect, then honest people take you at your word.

What do you think I meant by perfect?
If certain words confuse you just ask questions and then you have a change to get clarity.

 

[RBDERRICK]

You missed the point.
Fire procedes from their mouths to devour their enemies.

The armed forces of the north will make fire come down from heaven.The false prophet.

Fire procedeth from their mouths.....

Fire commands are oral orders issued by leaders to focus and distribute fires as required achieving decisive effects against the enemy. They allow leaders to rapidly and concisely articulate their firing instructions using a standard format (Refer to TC 3-20.31-4 for more information).



Those evangelicals who worship the Israel government and it's nation can be found in the most interesting organizations these days.

I've been considering this again. The reason we shouldn't try to apply technology to God's word, is because God is not ignorant of technology. Ezekiel was fully capable of describing in detail a chariot of God and it's precise movements with means of power. The notion of John trying to put into words a future technology he was ignorant of, is a disservice to God and His word in 2 ways:

1. It makes John the writer of Scripture according to his own mentality and technical abilities. It no longer makes God the Author of all His words written in Scripture. God knows the difference between a horse and tank.

2. It assumes conditions on earth at the time, are the same after the Lord of glory in great power has come out of heaven instantly into the air, shining as lightning for all to see.

I.e. All the atmosphere as well as modern industrial and electric systems on earth remain the same?

Ex: These armies come riding on horses. We want to say they are actually tanks and helicopters in Rev 9. But that is a natural assumption, that does not take into account the Lord's arrival. It assumes all things electrical, mechanical, and industrial are as before.

I don't believe it, I take God at His simple word. He is the one describing the armies and their number and their coming on horses to war. Why? because power is out over all the earth, and all mankind is as the ancients before, once again relying entirely upon the elements of nature in water, fire, smoke, sun or moon light, and candles.

Today, there is a fear of using an electro-magnetic pulse to wipe out all power systems in an area. It can be both manmade and by nature. That is the condition over all the earth at the Lord's coming again in the air. All that remains are the useless structures and items of modern industry.

All creatures and warriors in Revelation are exactly as described. Not only does God direct John's descriptions of them for accuracy, but also details exactly how much description to give.

God writes His word in Scripture, not men by their own minds and means and intellect. Prophets and apostles writing Scripture, are only ready pens in the hands of the Writer.

My heart is inditing a good matter: I speak of the things which I have made touching the king: my tongue is the pen of a ready writer.

I take God exactly at His words, and so the reason why a future army is back on horses, and in need of slaves to carry their baggage, is because modern-powered technology and mechanical devices are dead. They can't even brew a cup of coffee without a fire or heat tab.

This also explains why poisoning rivers, etc... has such a drastic effect on water supply and the deaths of many: they can no more transport bottled water around the world, nor even mass produce in containers. All the natural minded people that refused the Spirit and Life of the Lord, are once again as the beasts of the field, dependent entirely upon natural resources gained by hand alone. If they want water brought in from afar, they have to begin building aqueducts again. By hand and rope and pulley.

When they make war with the Lamb and His armies in the air, they won't be shooting surface to air missiles, nor flying jets. It will all be by hand, sword, and fire. There will be no satellite systems with power. No video. No computer operations. Not so much as a single light bulb.

There will be fire, smoke, and brimstone out of the mouths of the armies crossing Euphrates, by Satan's miracles. And there will be fire and power by the Spirit of the Lord's mouth, that turns the god of this world's miracles into instant ashes.

When we think about it, who in the world really thinks all things of modern power on earth, will be working the same, then the Lord of glory appears in the air?

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Revelation 11 is not a futile effort of an ancient man trying his mental best to describe modern technology, but is the modern world made instantly ancient again. But now with supernatural powers of war, by Satan through men on earth, and by the Lord of glory from the air.

It isn't man's nuclear war with himself, but supernatural war of Satan and devilish man with the Lord God Almighty Himself and His angels and saints.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I've been considering this again. The reason we shouldn't try to apply technology to God's word, is because God is not ignorant of technology. Ezekiel was fully capable of describing in detail a chariot of God and it's precise movements with means of power. The notion of John trying to put into words a future technology he was ignorant of, is a disservice to God and His word in 2 ways:

1. It makes John the writer of Scripture according to his own mentality and technical abilities. It no longer makes God the Author of all His words written in Scripture. God knows the difference between a horse and tank.

2. It assumes conditions on earth at the time, are the same after the Lord of glory in great power has come out of heaven instantly into the air, shining as lightning for all to see.

I.e. All the atmosphere as well as modern industrial and electric systems on earth remain the same?

Ex: These armies come riding on horses. We want to say they are actually tanks and helicopters in Rev 9. But that is a natural assumption, that does not take into account the Lord's arrival. It assumes all things electrical, mechanical, and industrial are as before.

I don't believe it, I take God at His simple word. He is the one describing the armies and their number and their coming on horses to war. Why? because power is out over all the earth, and all mankind is as the ancients before, once again relying entirely upon the elements of nature in water, fire, smoke, sun or moon light, and candles.

Today, there is a fear of using an electro-magnetic pulse to wipe out all power systems in an area. It can be both manmade and by nature. That is the condition over all the earth at the Lord's coming again in the air. All that remains are the useless structures and items of modern industry.

All creatures and warriors in Revelation are exactly as described. Not only does God direct John's descriptions of them for accuracy, but also details exactly how much description to give.

God writes His word in Scripture, not men by their own minds and means and intellect. Prophets and apostles writing Scripture, are only ready pens in the hands of the Writer.

My heart is inditing a good matter: I speak of the things which I have made touching the king: my tongue is the pen of a ready writer.

I take God exactly at His words, and so the reason why a future army is back on horses, and in need of slaves to carry their baggage, is because modern-powered technology and mechanical devices are dead. They can't even brew a cup of coffee without a fire or heat tab.

This also explains why poisoning rivers, etc... has such a drastic effect on water supply and the deaths of many: they can no more transport bottled water around the world, nor even mass produce in containers. All the natural minded people that refused the Spirit and Life of the Lord, are once again as the beasts of the field, dependent entirely upon natural resources gained by hand alone. If they want water brought in from afar, they have to begin building aqueducts again. By hand and rope and pulley.

When they make war with the Lamb and His armies in the air, they won't be shooting surface to air missiles, nor flying jets. It will all be by hand, sword, and fire. There will be no satellite systems with power. No video. No computer operations. Not so much as a single light bulb.

There will be fire, smoke, and brimstone out of the mouths of the armies crossing Euphrates, by Satan's miracles. And there will be fire and power by the Spirit of the Lord's mouth, that turns the god of this world's miracles into instant ashes.

When we think about it, who in the world really thinks all things of modern power on earth, will be working the same, then the Lord of glory appears in the air?

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Revelation 11 is not a futile effort of an ancient man trying his mental best to describe modern technology, but is the modern world made instantly ancient again. But now with supernatural powers of war, by Satan through men on earth, and by the Lord of glory from the air.

It isn't man's nuclear war with himself, but supernatural war of Satan and devilish man with the Lord God Almighty Himself and His angels and saints.

Sounds like your calling John a lier and that he didn't see the things he said he saw.

 

[RBDERRICK]

Sounds like your calling John a lier and that he didn't see the things he said he saw.

Sounds like you have a comprehension problem, when you don't agree. Rather than refute it by sound argument, you just throw out senseless accusations.

In cases like this, I'll not bother to respond. It just encourages wasted time.

 

[RBDERRICK]

Perhaps I should have been more explicit, but if you look at the original post, and many of my comments since, you will notice that the metrics are all based on the year, not days and hours.
2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God..."
The numbers, dates and times of day are a part of scripture and therefore inspired of God. God loves us and wants us to search His word to gain knowledge, understanding and even wisdom.
James 1:5 "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him."

When I read Jesus saying no one knows the day nor hour, I include years and decades.

He does however speak of the signs of the times, which can be years and decades in the making.

Take the U.S. for example. This whacked out stuff didn't just start a decade ago. We have to go back to the 60's to see it coming. A wise and discerning person back then could easily predict it's end path, if left unchecked.

It's only now being fully unchecked, except in our own personal lives.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Sounds like you have a comprehension problem, when you don't agree. Rather than refute it by sound argument, you just throw out senseless accusations.

In cases like this, I'll not bother to respond. It just encourages wasted time.

Sounds like your calling John a lier. To hats what it sounds like.

John saw these gentiles who will occupy Jerusalem for 42months.And there are two men who speak the word fire to destroy their enemies.

Daniel wrote about the same army occupying Israel.Theres no refuting these things.But you insist John couldn't know or understand the things he was seeing.I believe not only did John see these things,he wrote of them as well because I read what he wrote.
Simple as that.

 

[RBDERRICK]

Theres no refuting these things.But you insist John couldn't know or understand the things he was seeing.I believe not only did John see these things,he wrote of them as well because I read what he wrote.

Once again your comprehension is clouded by a natural prejudice against something you don't already believe.

Show where I said John could not nor did not understand the details of what he saw?

My point is that he perfectly understood what he saw, and God guided him in writing a description exactly as God wanted it written.

The argument is against them that think John was trying to describe modern technology with an ancient mentality, that did not understand what he saw.

The locusts are not helicopters, and the horsemen are not riding tanks. They are exactly what John describes them as, with the Lord limiting him in detail.

The argument is for taking God at His words, that He perfectly gives His prophets and apostles to write.

Saying John was trying to describe some technology in the future, that he did not understand, is saying God was ignorant of future technology. They aren't helicopters and tanks, and they must be on horses, because modern technology and mechanical engineering has no more power to work.

The Lord coming into the air destroys all technological and mechanical power on earth, and in the air, including satellites in orbit.

No ,more light bulbs shining on earth for a season.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Once again your comprehension is clouded by a natural prejudice against something you don't already believe.

Show where I said John could not nor did not understand the details of what he saw?

My point is that he perfectly understood what he saw, and God guided him in writing a description exactly as God wanted it written.

The argument is against them that think John was trying to describe modern technology with an ancient mentality, that did not understand what he saw.

The locusts are not helicopters, and the horsemen are not riding tanks. They are exactly what John describes them as, with the Lord limiting him in detail.

The argument is for taking God at His words, that He perfectly gives His prophets and apostles to write.

Saying John was trying to describe some technology in the future, that he did not understand, is saying God was ignorant of future technology. They aren't helicopters and tanks, and they must be on horses, because modern technology and mechanical engineering has no more power to work.

The Lord coming into the air destroys all technological and mechanical power on earth, and in the air, including satellites in orbit.

No ,more light bulbs shining on earth for a season.

A man saying the word fire is not some new technology.It is a word preceding from a human mouth.
The army that occupies Jerusalem for those 42 months is not some new technology.Its an army.
John knew what a gentile is and he knew those gentiles would occupy Jerusalem for 42 months.

John wrote what he saw or what he thought he saw.If he thought he was seeing stars falling to the earth ,that's what he wrote.
It doesn't means they are actually stars like the sun falling onto the earth.Its possible John didn't know that falling stars are actually meteors or something else.

 

[RBDERRICK]

What do you think I meant by perfect?
If certain words confuse you just ask questions and then you have a change to get clarity.

You spoke of something as a perfect teaching. Perhaps you should qualify your teaching first. I don't try to read minds, but words and take them literal as possible.

I try to say exactly what I mean, and I treat others the same.

 

[Paul Timothy]

You spoke of something as a perfect teaching. Perhaps you should qualify your teaching first. I don't try to read minds, but words and take them literal as possible.

I never said anything about perfect teaching.
What teaching are you talking about?

I try to say exactly what I mean, and I treat others the same.

So do I.

 

[RBDERRICK]

So do I.

When I say I treat people as saying exactly what they mean, that includes addressing what exactly what they mean.

Your habit has shown differently. I don't think I've yet to see you actually address specifically what people say, much less what they mean.

For instance. I say Rev 11:8 & 17:13 simply say that great whore Babylon is that great city that is spiritually Sodom and Egypt, where the Lord was crucified. This is simple repetition of two verses of Scripture taken together. The conclusion I make therefore is obvious: That great city called Babylon the Great must be Jerusalem.

Your only response is to disagree without explaining why, and then just claim I am adding or taking away from the words of God. What you show is, that if anyone does not agree with you, then you automatically say they do not agree with God and are corrupting His words.

This is an example of not bothering to address what they mean, but only making an empty charge based upon you not agreeing with them, nor bothering to explain why.

You are not someone who seriously disputes things about the Bible, but are only someone that either agrees or disagrees with someone according to your own thinking. If you agree, you pat them on the back. If you disagree, you make empty charges and mockery of what they say.

And frankly, I don't think I've even seen you agree with anyone at all.

I'm taking the time to explain these things to you, with hopes you will begin to at least say why you disagree with someone, by addressing any specific point we make, and showing how it is in error.

Who knows, you may succeed, and I will be thanking you for the correction.