7000 Years is Not Enough

[Paul Timothy]

My apologies, I was not trying to offend you.
The explanation concerning the 'little season' of Revelation 20 was given at the top of this post.
My purpose for bringing up the 360 days in a year was to show that, from God's original creation to the Flood, those years were structured in cycles that were based on 7's (days, months, years).
We can also consider other well known natural cycles, the unit of measure being 1 year, the Shemitah cycle being 7 years and the Metonic Lunar cycle being 19 years. These are the natural metrics that God created to keep time on the earth.
I agree that the 2000/2000/2000/1000 year breakdown resembles the creation week. Sure, that's a nice 7000 year picture, but it's also a very modern/western perception. If we look at the timeline as laid out in scripture, using the metrics that God has prescribed, we find that His increments are not nicely rounded.
Consider looking at the events of scripture through the following:
1 - 7 - 19 - 53 - 133 - 371 - 1007 - 7049

So you are using man made metrics to apply to God's calendar.

You present the metrics as coming from God... but these are still human metrics.

I don't worry about being exact... that is God's territory.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

My apologies, I was not trying to offend you.
The explanation concerning the 'little season' of Revelation 20 was given at the top of this post.
My purpose for bringing up the 360 days in a year was to show that, from God's original creation to the Flood, those years were structured in cycles that were based on 7's (days, months, years).
We can also consider other well known natural cycles, the unit of measure being 1 year, the Shemitah cycle being 7 years and the Metonic Lunar cycle being 19 years. These are the natural metrics that God created to keep time on the earth.
I agree that the 2000/2000/2000/1000 year breakdown resembles the creation week. Sure, that's a nice 7000 year picture, but it's also a very modern/western perception. If we look at the timeline as laid out in scripture, using the metrics that God has prescribed, we find that His increments are not nicely rounded.
Consider looking at the events of scripture through the following:
1 - 7 - 19 - 53 - 133 - 371 - 1007 - 7049

7000 is not western and it's not modern.
I've already posted 1sr century material which was middle eastern concerning this 7000 years.

 

[RBDERRICK]

I agree that the Bible makes best sense when read as written. I totally disagree with your conclusions though.

You can try stating my conclusion to show you know it first, before disagreeing.

7k years is a perfect, clean, beautiful time period for all of this creation.

Adam to Abraham... 2k years.
Abraham to Jesus... 2k years.
Jesus to 2030... 2k years.
Jesus reign on Earth... 1k years.

Perfection.

And so, you declare He will not return today, nor tomorrow, nor in the next year or 6 years. You say the Lord delays His coming for about another 7 years.

That of course is the very mentality that can lead to the unfaithful and unwatchful servant. In His heart and with his mouth, he says my Lord delays His coming.

The whole error of predictions of His return in the future, no matter how near or far, is that it declares He will not return any hour or day or year beforehand.

The only accurate timeline you give, is exactly one thousand years to the day of the Lord's reign on earth.

Everyone on earth at that time can know exactly when His reign will end over all nations, so long as they are taught the day when He returned. They can know the day when Satan will be loosed again.

But even then, we see in Zech 13, there will be false prophets, that may predict an end time of their own making, even as they have done since the Lord's ascension, and still do today before His return.

 

[Paul Timothy]

You can try stating my conclusion to show you know it first, before disagreeing.

Your conclusion is your conclusion... I can disagree with you any time I want. That is my conclusion.

And so, you declare He will not return today, nor tomorrow, nor in the next year or 6 years. You say the Lord delays His coming for about another 7 years.

I never said that.

That of course is the very mentality that can lead to the unfaithful and unwatchful servant. In His heart and with his mouth, he says my Lord delays His coming.

Yep.

The whole error of predictions of His return in the future, no matter how near or far, is that it declares He will not return any hour or day or year beforehand.

I never said that.

The only accurate timeline you give, is exactly one thousand years to the day of the Lord's reign on earth.

I never said that.

Everyone on earth at that time can know exactly when His reign will end over all nations, so long as they are taught the day when He returned. They can know the day when Satan will be loosed again.

Day.... probably not. Year... yes.

But even then, we see in Zech 13, there will be false prophets, that may predict an end time of their own making, even as they have done since the Lord's ascension, and still do today before His return.

Yep.
So when will you address anything I actually said?

 

[RBDERRICK]

Day.... probably not. Year... yes.

And so, you say the Lord will not return today, tomorrow, this year, nor in the next 6 years. He delays His coming for at least 6 more years.

But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

 

[RBDERRICK]

You've never read the general epistle of barnabus.

I've looked into some of such things. But I only believe and teach from Scripture.

 

[Paul Timothy]

And so, you say the Lord will not return today, tomorrow, this year, nor in the next 6 years. He delays His coming for at least 6 more years.

But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

And again... I did not say that.
Please refer to what I said and not what you think I said.

 

[RBDERRICK]

And again... I did not say that.
Please refer to what I said and not what you think I said.

Then you don't say the Lord returns in 2030. It's just a personal hypothesis, because you think 7000 years is neat.

No problem.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I've looked into some of such things. But I only believe and teach from Scripture.

You had stated that God's word always makes sense and it does.I had made sense of it just as barnabus did 2000 years ago.

Isn't it something that two people living thousands of years apart could understand it ,and it makes perfect sense yet you say it's nonsense.

 

[Paul Timothy]

Then you don't say the Lord returns in 2030. It's just a personal hypothesis, because you think 7000 years is neat.

No problem.

That is much closer to what I said.
Why did you not just ask me before going off on a rant?

 

[RBDERRICK]

I believe that when we look back over the fullness of time, we will indeed see that the time between events was also designed. The study of numbers/time and their relevance/correlation with events in scripture is fruitful. It is one more area where our faith can grow. If God created the heavens and the earth, did he not create numbers and time as well?

Understanding the time of day and season etc... is one thing. Including the signs of the times in prophecy. But trying to figure out the details of prophecy by numbers is mostly intellectualism. Especially when we are told plainly it can't be done, because no one can know the day and hour of His coming again.

It's more sound to let the words of Scripture interpret it's own prophecy.

For instance, that great city Babylon is spiritually Sodom and Egypt, where our Lord was crucified: Jeruslaem. (Rev 11:13. 17: 18)

 

[RBDERRICK]

You had stated that God's word always makes sense and it does.I had made sense of it just as barnabus did 2000 years ago.

Isn't it something that two people living thousands of years apart could understand it ,and it makes perfect sense yet you say it's nonsense.

I don't say all the words of 'barnabas' make no sense. I only say it's not Scripture of prophets and apostles of God.

If you find any sense in Barnabus, then great. But you can't teach it for doctrine and prophecy of Christ, without confirming it by the Scriptures of the prophets and apostles of Christ.

the book of barnabas is not Scripture of God, to be believed and taught as such. Simple. Once you go down that road, then you might as well teach the gospel of Thomas and of Judas for doctrine of God.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I don't say all the words of 'barnabas' make no sense. I only say it's not Scripture of prophets and apostles of God.

If you find any sense in Barnabus, then great. But you can't teach it for doctrine and prophecy of Christ, without confirming it by the Scriptures of the prophets and apostles of Christ.

the book of barnabas is not Scripture of God, to be believed and taught as such. Simple. Once you go down that road, then you might as well teach the gospel of Thomas and of Judas for doctrine of God.

You didn't understand what I'm saying.
What I'm saying is that I understood from the scriptures in the bible that a day to God is 1000 years and 1000 years is a day.From this understanding I gathered that Christ would return after 2000 years and the millinial kingdom established.
Also what I'm saying is barnabus came to this same understanding of the word of God as I had 2000 years apart.You see,I read the general epistle of barnabus AFTER I had already came to understanding of God's word.

So both me and barnabus have the same understanding of God's word which you believe is non sense.

 

[RBDERRICK]

You didn't understand what I'm saying.
What I'm saying is that I understood from the scriptures in the bible that a day to God is 1000 years and 1000 years is a day.From this understanding I gathered that Christ would return after 2000 years and the millinial kingdom established.
Also what I'm saying is barnabus came to this same understanding of the word of God as I had 2000 years apart.You see,I read the general epistle of barnabus AFTER I had already came to understanding of God's word.

I see. Thanks for the correction. You are only saying Barnabas agrees with your interpretation of prophecy of Scripture.

You say he agrees with you, that Scripture says one day with the Lord is a thousand years. Then if that is what Barnabas himself wrote, and not someone else using his name, then I also disagree with him.

Th misinterpretation of Scripture, that leads to a misinterpretation of prophecy of Scripture, is that one day is a thousand years with the Lord. Both Moses and Peter say it is only as a thousand years.

'As' is a general principle on the eternal nature of God. It is not a statement of mathematical fact written into the Bible, in order to interpret prophecy of Scripture.

There are people misinterpreting Scripture the same, and so say the 6 days with the Lord creating heaven and earth, was 6 thousand years.

So both me and barnabus have the same understanding of God's word which you believe is non sense.

I don't really call misinterpretation of Scripture to be nonsense, since we all are susceptible to it. It's just an honest mistake. It's only nonsense, when someone doesn't care what the Bible says at all, and just blurts out things from their own imagination. Such as while getting drunk at a bar. (I've been there and done that too.)

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I see. Thanks for the correction. You are only saying Barnabas agrees with your interpretation of prophecy of Scripture.

You say he agrees with you, that Scripture says one day with the Lord is a thousand years. Then if that is what Barnabas himself wrote, and not someone else using his name, then I also disagree with him.

Th misinterpretation of Scripture, that leads to a misinterpretation of prophecy of Scripture, is that one day is a thousand years with the Lord. Both Moses and Peter say it is only as a thousand years.

'As' is a general principle on the eternal nature of God. It is not a statement of mathematical fact written into the Bible, in order to interpret prophecy of Scripture.

There are people misinterpreting Scripture the same, and so say the 6 days with the Lord creating heaven and earth, was 6 thousand years.


I don't really call misinterpretation of Scripture to be nonsense, since we all are susceptible to it. It's just an honest mistake. It's only nonsense, when someone doesn't care what the Bible says at all, and just blurts out things from their own imagination. Such as while getting drunk at a bar. (I've been there and done that too.)

Well it appears that barnabus is correct in his writing as the little horn has appeared and subdued the three horns to capture the seven hills.As of now he is setting the stage to change laws which leads to the persecution of the saints.

The timing is simply perfect.Right on time.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Peter speaking of the day of the Lord did not want the church to be ignorant as of the timing of such an event.Therefore he recorded instruction of the timing and that day and the destruction.


2 peter 3
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.


I fully expect those outside the church will not understand his wisdom concerning that day.But the day of the Lord will come upon them as a thief in the night and they will not be aware .

 

[RBDERRICK]

Well it appears that barnabus is correct in his writing as the little horn has appeared and subdued the three horns to capture the seven hills.As of now he is setting the stage to change laws which leads to the persecution of the saints.

This could be true. The last antichrist could already be rising. And the end of days of man's unjust rule on earth could be at hand.

The Lord's second appearing in the air will be at the height of the last beast's power, when physical persecution of saints is in full swing.

What Scripture do you have showing the horns supplanted, and who are they?

The timing is simply perfect.Right on time.

Any time the Lord returns is right on time.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

This could be true. The last antichrist could already be rising. And the end of days of man's unjust rule on earth could be at hand.

The Lord's second appearing in the air will be at the height of the last beast's power, when physical persecution of saints is in full swing.

What Scripture do you have showing the horns supplanted, and who are they?



Any time the Lord returns is right on time.

The little horn is the little country which calls itself Israel.The three horns it defeated were Jordan,Syria and Egypt when it took control of the seven hilled city of Jerusalem.
The beast has already deceived the world by simply claiming to be God's chosen people and claiming to be the rightful heir of the promised land.
I'm expecting the second beast to appear in the he land of Israel in a couple more years.2 or 3.Then the persecution of the saints in Israel begins.
Netanyahu should finish his cashless society in this time period .

 

[RBDERRICK]

The little horn is the little country which calls itself Israel.The three horns it defeated were Jordan,Syria and Egypt when it took control of the seven hilled city of Jerusalem.
The beast has already deceived the world by simply claiming to be God's chosen people and claiming to be the rightful heir of the promised land.
I'm expecting the second beast to appear in the he land of Israel in a couple more years.2 or 3.Then the persecution of the saints in Israel begins.
Netanyahu should finish his cashless society in this time period .

I see. You make the beast to modern state of Israel ruled by unbelieving Jews. I agree the beast will rule out of Jerusalem, but he is one man, whose number is that of a man, and will be cast alive into the lake of fire.

Since he is an antichrist, which is a false apostle of Christ, then he will be a false Christian leader, that could unite unbelieving Jews and decieved Christians to his own Christian-Judeo religion. He'll change the law of Moses and of Christ to fit his own false apostle and headship.

We are warned against false gospels, apostles, teachers, and christs, not leaders of other false religions, whether Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, etc... It was the Judaizers that first endangered the grace of God among the Galatians. Peter even had to be rebuked by Paul to wake up to their danger.

Unbelieving Jews were just continuing to persecute the saints following the death of Jesus. The Romans didn't join in until later for political reasons.

The antichrist war with the saints begins with false ministry, and ends with physical persecution. The same as Cain with Abel, who tried having a talk to persuade him, and then just killed him for refusing to join in his sacrifice to the Lord.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I see. You make the beast to modern state of Israel ruled by unbelieving Jews. I agree the beast will rule out of Jerusalem, but he is one man, whose number is that of a man, and will be cast alive into the lake of fire.

Since he is an antichrist, which is a false apostle of Christ, then he will be a false Christian leader, that could unite unbelieving Jews and decieved Christians to his own Christian-Judeo religion. He'll change the law of Moses and of Christ to fit his own false apostle and headship.

We are warned against false gospels, apostles, teachers, and christs, not leaders of other false religions, whether Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, etc... It was the Judaizers that first endangered the grace of God among the Galatians. Peter even had to be rebuked by Paul to wake up to their danger.

Unbelieving Jews were just continuing to persecute the saints following the death of Jesus. The Romans didn't join in until later for political reasons.

The antichrist war with the saints begins with false ministry, and ends with physical persecution. The same as Cain with Abel, who tried having a talk to persuade him, and then just killed him for refusing to join in his sacrifice to the Lord.

The first beast is not called the false prophet.
It's the second beast that makes fire come down from heaven and causes the Jews to worship the first beast.
It's the second beast that is full of those who come in Jesus name claiming to be in Christ .The armed forces of the king of the north.Fire proceeds out of their mouths to devour their enemies.