A look at 1 John 3.6

1 John 3.6
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

There it is, those who abide in him do not sin. Can this be true of us?

Most translations add something close to "whosoever abides in him does not CONTINUE to sin."

I've been sinning for 66 years so I hope there is an alternate understanding of this text. There is.

By adding CONTINUE to sin you take away from John's method of writing. John uses opposites all the time, such as light/dark, sin/righteousness, life/death, etc. The solution to the apparent dilemma is known as Positional Truth. To abide "in him" is a reference to being in fellowship. When we are in fellowship and then sin, we are out of fellowship and must confess that sin to restore our fellowship with Christ.

When we are "in him" we are said to be in fellowship. We continue in fellowship until we knowingly sin. But we can not sin "in him" (in fellowship). What happens is told to us by James. Let's look at how James handles this:

1.14 But each one is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desires 1.15 Then when desire conceives, it give birth to sin...

When a believer is in fellowship, the only way he can sin is if he is lured out of the light of fellowship (in him) and into darkness. This is when he can sin. When he is in fellowship and abides in his new nature, he can not sin. He has to be lured out first before he is capable of sinning. So, John is saying that we can not sin at all, not that we can not keep on sinning. Note also in vs 5 where we are told that in him is no sin (not continually sinning, but sin).

I wrote a long article our here (or in some other forum) that dealt with Positional Truth. I there explain in more details what Position Truth is. For example, Paul says in Eph that we are seated with Christ in the heavenlies. We are not actually in heaven, but by virtue of Position Truth we enjoy all the benefits now, so much so that Paul says were ARE in heaven seated with Christ.
Yes, my New Testament professor in seminary explained the "already" and "not-yet" of the gospel. the difference can be shown in many of the inspired letters: Ephesians 1-3 versus 4-6; Colossians 1-2 versus 3-4; Romans 1-11 versus 12-16; Galatians 1-4 versus 5-6; and Hebrews 1-11 versus 12-13. We are "already" perfect in principle before the Father because of Jesus' death and resurrection but "not-yet" perfect in practice, which takes a lifelong process of the Holy Spirit to work on.
 
We are "already" perfect in principle before the Father because of Jesus' death and resurrection

That is an interesting perspective.


Which scripture teaches us about this perfection in principle?


John teaches us this -


Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 1 John 3:7





JLB
 
Yes, my New Testament professor in seminary explained the "already" and "not-yet" of the gospel. the difference can be shown in many of the inspired letters: Ephesians 1-3 versus 4-6; Colossians 1-2 versus 3-4; Romans 1-11 versus 12-16; Galatians 1-4 versus 5-6; and Hebrews 1-11 versus 12-13. We are "already" perfect in principle before the Father because of Jesus' death and resurrection but "not-yet" perfect in practice, which takes a lifelong process of the Holy Spirit to work on.
Your professor has made an accommodation for sin.
He presents what I call "the bi-polar gospel".
"Holy", but not holy.
 
1 John 3.6
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

There it is, those who abide in him do not sin. Can this be true of us?

Most translations add something close to "whosoever abides in him does not CONTINUE to sin."

I've been sinning for 66 years so I hope there is an alternate understanding of this text. There is.

By adding CONTINUE to sin you take away from John's method of writing. John uses opposites all the time, such as light/dark, sin/righteousness, life/death, etc. The solution to the apparent dilemma is known as Positional Truth. To abide "in him" is a reference to being in fellowship. When we are in fellowship and then sin, we are out of fellowship and must confess that sin to restore our fellowship with Christ.

When we are "in him" we are said to be in fellowship. We continue in fellowship until we knowingly sin. But we can not sin "in him" (in fellowship). What happens is told to us by James. Let's look at how James handles this:

1.14 But each one is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desires 1.15 Then when desire conceives, it give birth to sin...

When a believer is in fellowship, the only way he can sin is if he is lured out of the light of fellowship (in him) and into darkness. This is when he can sin. When he is in fellowship and abides in his new nature, he can not sin. He has to be lured out first before he is capable of sinning. So, John is saying that we can not sin at all, not that we can not keep on sinning. Note also in vs 5 where we are told that in him is no sin (not continually sinning, but sin).

I wrote a long article our here (or in some other forum) that dealt with Positional Truth. I there explain in more details what Position Truth is. For example, Paul says in Eph that we are seated with Christ in the heavenlies. We are not actually in heaven, but by virtue of Position Truth we enjoy all the benefits now, so much so that Paul says were ARE in heaven seated with Christ.
Personally, I wouldn't use such a technical term on a public forum where all kinds of Christians are members, but that's just me. Another interpretation is possible. You're right that John primarily writes in what is "already" true for genuine Christians in God's sight, but he also acknowledges that we all sin in 1:8-10, repeating twice that we all sin:
1Jn 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Thus, this passage is clear that we also have sin in our lives that needs to be cleansed (the "not yet" of the gospel), though we are indeed perfect and sinless in God our Judge's sight because of Jesus' perfect sacrifice.
 
We are "already" perfect in principle before the Father because of Jesus' death and resurrection but "not-yet" perfect in practice, which takes a lifelong process of the Holy Spirit to work on.
How can that be ?
It seems that your prof. forgot about the results of a true repentance from sin, sinlessness; and about what happens to a man whose old self has been destroyed, (Rom 6:6); he is a new creature reborn of God's seed. (1 John 3:9)
 
No. Remember I said there are many categories of Present Tenses. 1 John 3.6 is the Gnomic Present, not the Historic Present. The Gnomic does not say that something IS HAPPENING, but that something DOES happen.

If I said in an earlier post that 1 John 3.6 is the Historic Present, I am sorry!!! I've been known to do that sometimes.
Just my 2 cents and then I'm out of here--

Greek Text and Morphological Analysis:
The Greek text of 1 John 3:6 (SBL Greek):

Πᾶς ὁ ἐν αὐτῷ μένων οὐχ ἁμαρτάνει· πᾶς ὁ ἁμαρτάνων οὐχ ἑώρακεν αὐτὸν οὐδὲ ἔγνωκεν αὐτόν.
Pas ho en autō menōn ouch hamartanei; pas ho hamartanōn ouch heōraken auton oude egnōken auton.
Translation: "No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him."

Key Verb Analysis:
μένω (menō) - Present Active Participle (Nominative Singular Masculine)

Denotes continuing or habitual abiding in Christ.

ἁμαρτάνει (hamartanei) - Present Indicative Active (3rd Person Singular)

The Present Indicative often signifies continuous or habitual action, especially in Johannine literature.


ἁμαρτάνων (hamartanōn) - Present Active Participle (Nominative Singular Masculine)

Again, this form highlights a habitual or ongoing practice of sin. Take note.


1 John is addressing the distinction between genuine believers and those who merely claim fellowship with God. The epistle repeatedly contrasts righteous living (as evidence of true faith) with ongoing sinfulness (as evidence of not truly knowing Christ).

Comparative Verses:
1 John 1:8: "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."

Clearly acknowledges that believers do sin and must confess.


1 John 2:1: "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous."

Affirms that occasional sin does occur, but Christ intercedes on behalf of believers.


1 John 3:9: "No one born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."

The phrase "practices sin" (ποιεῖ ἁμαρτίαν, poiei hamartian) again indicates continuous action rather than absolute sinlessness.


The Gnomic Present conveys general truths or axiomatic statements (i.e., what is characteristic or typical). However, the Present Tense in 1 John 3:6 should be understood as describing ongoing, habitual sin rather than a single act or absolute sinlessness.

John’s emphasis-- Those who habitually live in sin demonstrate that they do not truly know Christ. This is not the same as saying believers never sin at all. Instead, it points to the incompatibility of habitual sin with a genuine relationship with Christ.

The contrast between walking in the light versus walking in darkness (1 John 1:6-7) supports the interpretation that the apostle is concerned with patterns of behavior rather than absolute moral perfection.


It is incorrect to claim that 1 John 3:6 demands absolute sinlessness as a prerequisite for being in Christ. Rather, the passage emphasizes that genuine believers will not persistently practice sin as a way of life.

The text does not negate the reality of occasional failure, as evidenced by the provision for confession and forgiveness (1 John 1:9).

So--
John’s point is not that believers never sin, but that they do not continue in a lifestyle of unrepentant sin. The Greek Present Tense here conveys the idea of a persistent, habitual pattern, which is incompatible with the abiding life in Christ.

CONTEXTUAL INSIGHTS TO 3:4-10 (interpretation problems caused by 3:6,9)


This passage has been the center of the controversy between Christian perfectionism (cf. Romans 6; see Millard Erickson, Christian Theology, pp. 983-986), sometimes called entire sanctification (i.e., Wesleyan theology), and the continuing sinning of the Christian (cf. Romans 7; Eph. 6:10-18).

We must not allow our theological bias to influence our exegesis of this text. Also, we must not allow other texts to influence this text until our independent study of this text is complete and we have ascertained what John was saying both in 1 John 3 and in the entire book of 1 John!

This text clearly presents the goal that all believers long for, a total deliverance from sin. This same ideal is presented in Romans 6. Through Christ's total defeat of evil we have the potential for sinless living (but note Romans 7; Eph. 6:10-19).

This passage, however, must fit into the larger context of the entire book of 1 John.
To interpret this passage without regard for 1 John 1:8-2:2 (Christians still sin) would be folly.
To interpret this passage in such a manner as to defeat the overall purpose of 1 John, the assurance of salvation against the claims of the false teachers would be folly also.
This passage must be related to the false teachers' claims of sinlessness or sin's insignificance. Possibly 1 John 1:8-2:2 deals with one extreme of the false teachers, while 3:1-10 deals with another. Remember that interpreting the letters of the NT is like listening to one half of a phone conversation.

A paradoxical relationship exists between these two passages. Sin in the Christian's life is a recurrent problem in the NT (cf. Romans 7; Eph. 4:14; 6:10-18). This forms the same dialectical tension as predestination vs. free will or security vs. perseverance. The paradox provides a theological balance and attacks the extreme positions. The false teachers were presenting two errors in the area of sin.
sin does not matter
natural desires and needs are sinful
SPECIAL TOPIC: EASTERN LITERATURE
This entire theological discussion is based on a misunderstanding of the difference between
our position in Christ
our striving to fulfill that position experientially in daily life
the promise that victory will be ours one day!
We are free from sin's penalty (justification) in Christ, yet we still struggle with its power (progressive sanctification) and one day we will be free of its presence (glorification). This book as a whole teaches the priority of admitting our sin and striving toward sinlessness.

I’m familiar with the tenses, brother, but I haven’t consulted my exegetical sources yet.



Shalom.

J.
 
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Clearly acknowledges that believers do sin and must confess.

1 John 2:1: "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous."

Affirms that occasional sin does occur, but Christ intercedes on behalf of believers.


1 John 3:9: "No one born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."

The phrase "practices sin" (ποιεῖ ἁμαρτίαν, poiei hamartian) again indicates continuous action rather than absolute sinlessness.

Amen.

We see that someone who does sin, and doesn’t want to repent, after several tries is disconnected from Christ and referred to as a sinner, and likened to a tax collector, and a heathen.


Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’ And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.
Matthew 18:12-17

  • But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.

To me this points to having a divine nature within us that desires the things of righteousness, while also having a physical body that contains sin (sin nature) and is opposed to the divine nature that is motivated by the Spirit.

  • these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.
I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. Galatians 5:16-17
 
To me this points to having a divine nature within us that desires the things of righteousness, while also having a physical body that contains sin (sin nature) and is opposed to the divine nature that is motivated by the Spirit.
I have read somewhere here that somehow the "sin nature" is surgically removed, other words, we don't have a sin nature-you believe this?

J.
 
I have read somewhere here that somehow the "sin nature" is surgically removed, other words, we don't have a sin nature-you believe this?

J.

I believe our spirit is born again, but not our flesh.


That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:6

I believe we must learn to walk according to the motivating influence of the Spirit rather than walking and being motivated by the sinful cravings of our flesh.

There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:1
 
I believe our spirit is born again, but not our flesh.


That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:6

I believe we must learn to walk according to the motivating influence of the Spirit rather than walking and being motivated by the sinful cravings of our flesh.

There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:1
So while we are walking in the Spirit we are sinless-right?

J.
 
So while we are walking in the Spirit we are sinless-right?

J.

The words Paul uses this terminology…

I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. Galatians 5:16

John says it this way…


But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

Walking in the light doesn’t mean sinless. The blood of Jesus cleanses those who walk in the light from sin.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

We all have sin; a body of sin. However the Lord desires that we overcome the sinful cravings of the flesh by learning a lifestyle of sowing to the Spirit. (Galatians 6:7-8)

If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:7-9

If will forgive us and cleanse us if we confess our sins.

He wants us to stay with Him and learn from Him, and not “hide from Him” when we sin, by quickly confessing, and keep walking in the light with Him.
 
The words Paul uses this terminology…

I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. Galatians 5:16

John says it this way…


But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

Walking in the light doesn’t mean sinless. The blood of Jesus cleanses those who walk in the light from sin.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

We all have sin; a body of sin. However the Lord desires that we overcome the sinful cravings of the flesh by learning a lifestyle of sowing to the Spirit. (Galatians 6:7-8)

If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:7-9

If will forgive us and cleanse us if we confess our sins.

He wants us to stay with Him and learn from Him, and not “hide from Him” when we sin, by quickly confessing, and keep walking in the light with Him.
Correct, this is how I read the Scripture re our "sin nature" "old man"

Romans 8:13 (KJV)

"For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live."

Colossians 3:5 (KJV)

"Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry."

Verbs-

θανατόω (thanatoō) - to put to death.

νεκρόω (nekroō) - to make dead, to mortify.

Usage: These verbs indicate an active effort to subdue or put to death sinful actions or tendencies.

3. Crucify (σταυρόω - stauroō)
Galatians 2:20 (KJV)

"I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me..."

Galatians 5:24 (KJV)

"And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts."

Romans 6:6 (KJV)

"Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed..."

Verb- σταυρόω (stauroō) - to crucify.

This verb emphasizes the decisive act of putting the sinful nature to death by uniting with Christ’s crucifixion.

4. Mortify (νεκρόω - nekroō)
Colossians 3:5 (KJV)

"Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth..."

Verb- νεκρόω (nekroō) - to put to death, to make dead.

The focus is on putting to death earthly and fleshly desires.

5. Old Man (παλαιὸς ἄνθρωπος - palaios anthrōpos)
Romans 6:6 (KJV)

"Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him..."

Ephesians 4:22 (KJV)

"That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man..."

Colossians 3:9 (KJV)

"Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds."

Phrase-παλαιὸς ἄνθρωπος (palaios anthrōpos) - old man, old self.

Represents the unregenerate self, the pre-Christian identity dominated by sin.

6. Sinful Nature (σάρξ - sarx)
Romans 7:18 (KJV)

"For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing..."

Romans 8:3 (KJV)

"For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh..."

Galatians 5:16 (KJV)

"This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh."

Word- σάρξ (sarx) - flesh, sinful nature.

The term "flesh" here signifies human nature corrupted by sin and opposed to the Spirit.


Other words--the consistent New Testament teaching, especially from Paul, emphasizes a conscious decision to reckon oneself dead to sin (Romans 6:11), actively put to death sinful desires (Romans 8:13; Colossians 3:5), and recognize that the old man has been crucified with Christ (Romans 6:6). The focus is on living in the Spirit rather than indulging the sinful nature (Galatians 5:16). Each verb and phrase conveys a dynamic and ongoing process of spiritual transformation through union with Christ.

What doesn't make sense is that if our sinful nature or flesh has truly been eradicated, then these verses would have no relevance.

That's what I'm getting at.

J.
 
The Savior said, "Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." Free from what? Free from sin (John 8:31-36). John testifies that what the Savior promissed came to pass, "Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him." (1 John 3:6). If some Christians sin, it means they don't know Him.
In words, thoughts and deeds? How about this?

Galatians 5:19–21 (ESV)

"Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these."

Here, Paul lists actions that are clearly sinful and are done intentionally.

1 John 3:4 (NASB)

"Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness."

Sin as an active transgression of God's law is a clear example of sin by commission.

2. Sins of Omission (Failing to Do What Is Right)
These involve neglecting to fulfill one’s moral or spiritual duties.

Examples-

James 4:17 (ESV)

"So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin."

This verse directly addresses the idea that neglecting to do what one knows is right constitutes sin.


Matthew 25:41–45 (NASB)

"Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels... for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink...’"

The condemned are judged not for what they actively did wrong, but for their failure to show compassion and help those in need.

Luke 10:31–32 (NASB)

"And by chance a priest was going down on that road, and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. Likewise a Levite also..."

The sin here is not directly harming the injured man but failing to offer assistance.


Sins of Commission- Active acts of wrongdoing (e.g., immorality, idolatry, anger).

Sins of Omission- Failure to act righteously when one has the opportunity and responsibility (e.g., neglecting to help those in need).

Both types of sin are addressed in the New Testament, and both carry moral and spiritual consequences. Being aware of both helps believers to live responsibly, doing good when the opportunity arises and avoiding sinful actions.

We are in the last days.

J.
 
The Savior said, "Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." Free from what? Free from sin (John 8:31-36). John testifies that what the Savior promissed came to pass, "Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him." (1 John 3:6). If some Christians sin, it means they don't know Him.
8:32 "you will know" This is used in the OT sense of "know," which meant "personal relationship," not in the sense of "cognitive truth" (cf. Gen. 4:1; Jer. 1:5). Truth is a person! This verse, which is so often found on institutions of learning, does not refer to accumulated human knowledge.

That has proved to divide and bind, not free, humans. The "truth" spoken of here is both the gospel message and person of Jesus Christ. There is no truth, peace, or hope apart from Him!



8:32,40,44,45,46 "the truth" This is the key concept of this context. This term has two connotations.

trustworthiness
truth versus falsehood
Both connotations are true of the life and ministry of Jesus. He is both the content and goal of the gospel. Truth is primarily a person! Jesus reveals the personal Father. This verse is often taken out of context and used in educational settings. Facts, even true facts, even lots of true facts, do not set one free (cf. Eccl. 1:18).


8:32 "make you free" Believers are free from legalism, ritualism, and performance oriented, human religiosity. Yet free believers bind themselves for the sake of the gospel (cf. Rom. 14:1-15:6; 1 Cor. 8-10).
Utley.


1) "And ye shall know the truth," (kai gnosesthe ten aletheian) "And you all will know (recognize) the truth," the Son of God, and the testimony of truth in His words, Joh_14:6.

2) "And the truth shall make you free." (kai he aletheia eleutherosei humas) "And the truth will release, loose, or liberate you all," from the law and from the shackles and bondage of sin. This He spoke to men entangled and embondaged by sin, and by the ceremonies and rituals of Moses' law, through which they tried to acquire salvation and righteousness, in vain, Rom_10:1-4. From such, only the Son could liberate them, or set them free, Joh_8:36; not Moses or the law, Rom_4:3-5.

J.
 
Don't you believe1 John 3:9 ?
It says..."Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."
Just as an apple's seed can never bear grapes, neither can God's seed ever bear liars, thieves, or adulterers.
And he cannot sin (kai ou dunatai hamartanein). This is a wrong translation, for this English naturally means “and he cannot commit sin” as if it were kai ou dunatai hamartein or hamartēsai (second aorist or first aorist active infinitive). The present active infinitive hamartanein can only mean “and he cannot go on sinning,” as is true of hamartanei in 1Jn_3:8 and hamartanōn in 1Jn_3:6. For the aorist subjunctive to commit a sin see hamartēte and hamartēi in 1Jn_2:1. A great deal of false theology has grown out of a misunderstanding of the tense of hamartanein here. Paul has precisely John’s idea in Rom_6:1 epimenōmen tēi hamartiāi (shall we continue in sin, present active linear subjunctive) in contrast with hamartēsōmen in Rom_6:15 (shall we commit a sin, first aorist active subjunctive).
Robertson.

J.
 
And he cannot sin (kai ou dunatai hamartanein). This is a wrong translation, for this English naturally means “and he cannot commit sin” as if it were kai ou dunatai hamartein or hamartēsai (second aorist or first aorist active infinitive). The present active infinitive hamartanein can only mean “and he cannot go on sinning,” as is true of hamartanei in 1Jn_3:8 and hamartanōn in 1Jn_3:6. For the aorist subjunctive to commit a sin see hamartēte and hamartēi in 1Jn_2:1. A great deal of false theology has grown out of a misunderstanding of the tense of hamartanein here. Paul has precisely John’s idea in Rom_6:1 epimenōmen tēi hamartiāi (shall we continue in sin, present active linear subjunctive) in contrast with hamartēsōmen in Rom_6:15 (shall we commit a sin, first aorist active subjunctive).
Robertson.

J.
1Jn_3:9

The difference between those who belong to God and whose who belong to Satan. v.9-10
a. Those belonging to God do not continue sinning -v.9
1) Because the new life from God remains in them.
b. God's children don't continue sinning
1) Because that is inconsistent with being God's children.
c. We see the difference between being God's children and children of Satan -v.10
1) Those not doing right are not God's children
2) Those who don't love their brothers and sisters are not God's children.

born of God -- Just as a son born of his father bears characterists of his father, so one born of God bears the characteristic of righteousness, and does not practice a life sinfulness. Joh_3:3-5; 1Pe_1:3; 1Pe_1:23; 1Pe_2:2; 1Jn_2:29; 1Jn_3:9; 1Jo 5.1; 1Jn_5:4; 1Jn_5:18;

makes a practice of sinning -- "To sin means to continue in sin; to constantly sin; to practice sin; to habitually sin; to live in sim, this needs to be clearly understood. Scripture is not saying that a person reaches sinless perfection while on earth." - PO&SB

God's seed abides in him -- The seed of the new birth Jos_3:3-5; the seed of the new creation 2Co_5:17; the seed of the new man Eph_4:24, Col_3:10; the divine nature 2Pe_1:4, the incorruptible seed of God's Word 1Pe_1:23.

he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God. -- To be righteousness one must bear the resemblance (characteristic) to God who does not sin (2Co_5:21; 1Pe_2:22; 1Jn_3:5) ; if not, his resemblance is to his father, the devil (Joh_8:48).

J.
 
The words Paul uses this terminology…

I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. Galatians 5:16

John says it this way…


But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

Walking in the light doesn’t mean sinless. The blood of Jesus cleanses those who walk in the light from sin.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

We all have sin; a body of sin. However the Lord desires that we overcome the sinful cravings of the flesh by learning a lifestyle of sowing to the Spirit. (Galatians 6:7-8)

If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:7-9

If will forgive us and cleanse us if we confess our sins.

He wants us to stay with Him and learn from Him, and not “hide from Him” when we sin, by quickly confessing, and keep walking in the light with Him.
Hey brother JLB, maybe it’s just me, but does it seem like when I ask a question, I mostly get scripture verses without much commentary? Just something I’ve noticed.

That's odd--not being facetious. 02.38 AM South Africa time.

Guess I'm under "probation" Lol!

Shalom.

J.
 
Πᾶς ὁ ἐν αὐτῷ μένων οὐχ ἁμαρτάνει· πᾶς ὁ ἁμαρτάνων οὐχ ἑώρακεν αὐτὸν οὐδὲ ἔγνωκεν αὐτόν.
Pas ho en autō menōn ouch hamartanei; pas ho hamartanōn ouch heōraken auton oude egnōken auton.
Translation: "No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him."

I read it. What does it clarify? How are you in good company with Paul and what does it have to do with what John stated in 1 John 3:6?

Πᾶς ὁ ἐν αὐτῷ μένων οὐχ ἁμαρτάνει· πᾶς ὁ ἁμαρτάνων οὐχ ἑώρακεν αὐτὸν οὐδὲ ἔγνωκεν αὐτόν.
Pas ho en autō menōn ouch hamartanei; pas ho hamartanōn ouch heōraken auton oude egnōken auton.
Translation: "No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him."

Key Verb Analysis:
μένω (menō) - Present Active Participle (Nominative Singular Masculine)

Denotes continuing or habitual abiding in Christ.

ἁμαρτάνει (hamartanei) - Present Indicative Active (3rd Person Singular)

The Present Indicative often signifies continuous or habitual action, especially in Johannine literature.


ἁμαρτάνων (hamartanōn) - Present Active Participle (Nominative Singular Masculine)

Again, this form highlights a habitual or ongoing practice of sin. Take note.
I seriously doubt these Present tense verbs denote continuing or habitual abiding. This makes no sense in this context. This context is dealing with being "in him." Fellowship is the context. When a believer is in fellowship, he can not sin. The only way he can sin is if he "exits" being in him, he has to be lured out of him, per James 1:14, 15.

While we are in fellowship, which happens when we confess our sin (1 John 1.9), we are in the light. We are in darkness when we sin, and remain out of fellowship until we confess our sin. The worst take on this concept is when someone translates it "the one who practices sin..." It has nothing to do with how many times he sins, one sin results in loss of fellowship. He has been lured out of fellowship, and the Holy Spirit will convict him of sin, and as soon as he confesses his sin(s), he is back out of darkness and into the light. This is a fellowship context, going all way back to chap 1.
 
I seriously doubt these Present tense verbs denote continuing or habitual abiding. This makes no sense in this context. This context is dealing with being "in him." Fellowship is the context. When a believer is in fellowship, he can not sin. The only way he can sin is if he "exits" being in him, he has to be lured out of him, per James 1:14, 15.

While we are in fellowship, which happens when we confess our sin (1 John 1.9), we are in the light. We are in darkness when we sin, and remain out of fellowship until we confess our sin. The worst take on this concept is when someone translates it "the one who practices sin..." It has nothing to do with how many times he sins, one sin results in loss of fellowship. He has been lured out of fellowship, and the Holy Spirit will convict him of sin, and as soon as he confesses his sin(s), he is back out of darkness and into the light. This is a fellowship context, going all way back to chap 1.
Great to meet you, MisterE! I’ll catch up with you tomorrow--
It's really early here, and I’m pretty worn out. Looking forward to continuing the conversation.

J.
 
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