A message for all Sabbath breakers.....Owned!!

[Soma-Sight]

In my 17 years of being a Christian, having served in ministry having known literally hundreds of believers over the years, I have never, ever, ever met anyone who fits this description. The notion that Christians place any authority in the sun is asinine and an outright lie. Please direct one of these "MANY star worshipers" here, so that I can ask them about their views.

If you hope to retain any intellectual and character credibility, you'd best refrain from posting these gross and slanderous mischaracterizations of Christian belief.

FOOL!

You know not your own scriptures!

Psalm 84:11
For the Lord God is a sun and shield; he bestows favor and honor. . . .

Daniel 12:3
And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever.

Malachi 4:2 / 3:20
But for you who fear my name the sun of righteousness shall rise, with healing in its wings.

Matthew 13:43
Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

Matthew 17:2
And he was transfigured before them, and his face shone like the sun, and his garments became white as light.

John 8:12
Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world; he who follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.â€Â

John 12:46
I have come as light into the world, that whoever believes in me may not remain in darkness.

Matthew 17:2
And he was transfigured before them, and his face shone like the sun, and his garments became white as light.

Revelation 22:16
“I Jesus have sent my angel to you with this testimony for the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright morning star.â€Â




Your "Christian Church" is nothing more than reformed astrotheology!

You dont even know how and why Sunday originated as the "new" day of worship in your own congregation!

The Sun is the highest god in the New Age and in pagan worship. it can be seen throughout history in many cultures and persists today in the Catholic Church and in your own Church as you recognize the authority of the new babylon in the submittance to the Sunday false doctrine!

You need to research paganism and Christian roots more my friend. I have a feeling you have no idea who the Sumerians were or any other ancient religions for that matter......

 

[Aloha Joe]

You know not your own scriptures!

Psalm 84:11
For the Lord God is a sun and shield; he bestows favor and honor. . . .

Daniel 12:3
And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever.

Malachi 4:2 / 3:20
But for you who fear my name the sun of righteousness shall rise, with healing in its wings.

Matthew 13:43
Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

Matthew 17:2
And he was transfigured before them, and his face shone like the sun, and his garments became white as light.

John 8:12
Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world; he who follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.â€Â

John 12:46
I have come as light into the world, that whoever believes in me may not remain in darkness.

Matthew 17:2
And he was transfigured before them, and his face shone like the sun, and his garments became white as light.

Revelation 22:16
“I Jesus have sent my angel to you with this testimony for the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright morning star.â€Â

[/b]

I know my Scripture. All you've shown is that there are a few passages which use the sun or stars figuratively (many, many, many things are mentioned figuratively in the Word), and not all of them even refer to God. So what? Are you advocating sun worship by bringing these passages up?

The fact remains that no Protestant Christian I have ever met has assigned any spiritual authority to the sun whatsoever. Again, I'd be happy to speak to these "MANY star worshipers" you know. Bringing up Scriptures with the word "sun" in it is supposed to prove that Christians today worship the sun? I don't think I've EVER heard a more illogical argument made in my entire life. Honestly.

Your "Christian Church" is nothing more than reformed astrotheology!

Because a few verses in the Bible mention the sun. Right. I have never been this utterly astounded by how bad an argument is.

You dont even know how and why Sunday originated as the "new" day of worship in your own congregation!

I'm very aware of the origins of the church worshiping on Sunday. But thanks for telling me what I do and don't know, anyway.

The Sun is the highest god in the New Age and in pagan worship. it can be seen throughout history in many cultures and persists today in the Catholic Church and in your own Church as you recognize the authority of the new babylon in the submittance to the Sunday false doctrine!

My church obligates no one to worship on Sunday, and I worship on Saturday, but again, thanks for telling me everything about myself.

My church believes that the miraculous giftings still exist--your church recognizes the authority of the new Babylon in the submittance to its belief that the miraculous gifts are no longer available! Repent of submitting to the doctrines of Babylon!

I'm not Catholic. The Catholic church has no authority in my life. I don't worship on Sunday. Anything else you "know" about me?

You need to research paganism and Christian roots more my friend. I have a feeling you have no idea who the Sumerians were or any other ancient religions for that matter......

*sigh* You might as well also accuse me of not knowing the origins of Easter, and get that over with, too. I just don't think that motives of some so-called Christians almost 2000 years ago has any bearing on my relationship to Christ.

I hope you don't worship the Moon goddess by calling the second day of the week Monday, or worship Tiw, the god of war by calling the third day Tuesday, or call the fourth day Wednesday (Woden), or the fifth day Thursday (Thor), or the sixth day Friday (Freya). I know you don't use these common names, because that would be worshiping pagan gods. So please let me know what names you do use, so I can make sure not to worship the pagan gods, either.

I'm more than happy to engage in civil discourse, but if you're going to start raving and ranting and making false claims about a person you've never met, it's gonna be pretty difficult.

FOOL!

"and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell." --Matt 5:22

Perhaps you don't know your Scriptures well enough. Please be careful--I don't want anyone to go into the fiery hell.

 

[Servant_2000]

Sputnik: So, what you are implying here is that Paul has the same status and authority as does God, huh? I've long suspected that the majority of mainstream Christians regard Paul as the New Testament God and are quite comfortable to have him (seemingly) contradict the Creator. If it's a debate involving the Word of God or that of Paul, Paul wins out every time!

Sputnik: As mentioned, Paul was a sinful human just as we are. He didn't have the authority to make commandments. Please be clear on that.

1 Corinthians 14:37

If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command

You should be acknowledged to the fact what Paul wrote, is what the Lord has commanded....

 

[Orthodox Christian]

There are a certain number of themse that play out in human consciousness. One of the predominant ones is light, and the sun (naturally). The whole of sacred text and sacred worship is written by human beings searching for analogies in the temporal world to describe heavenly things.

So it is no surprise that the sun, light, water, fathers, children, seeds, sheep, cattle, and shepherds are dominant motiffs.

When John says the God is Light, he is by no means suggesting that God is hiding within the disc of the sun. What he is saying is that God brings life, light, and warmth.

Essentially, Soma Sight is employing the anti-Judeo/Christian arguments of the atheists. These are each and all category fallacies.

There were pre-Christian religions that had a god's son die and return to life. There were pre_christian religions/beliefs that had a human woman bring forth a god-man. There were pre-Christian religions that had the concepts of heaven, hell, and the like. The Greeks had spoken of the Word (Logos) as God or representative of God 600 years before John wrote of this.

So, should one throw out the whole enterprise of faith? I think not. Soma's argument would collapse the SDA enterprise just as surely as all other sects, if only it was a legitimate argument.

 

[guibox]

I think what Soma is trying (and unfortunately, failing to do) to portray with 'sun worship' is not the Christians are worshipping the sun but that the day of Sunday is more an amalgamation between pagans and Christians.

He is both right and wrong.

As far back as 135 AD, Barnabas and Justin Martyr made an appeal to Emperor Hadrian to allow them to worship on Sunday to disassociate themselves from the Jews. Their main reasoning to justify it wasn't because of Christ's resurrection, but referring back to the first day of creation where light was created. Hence Sunday is like the 8th day, the new day of the Su(o)n. One could find evidence of 'sun worship' or indirect reasoning toward it. However the secondary reason was because Christ resurrected on that day. So the observance of Sunday outside of paganism occurred long before Constantine.

It wasn't really until Constantine that a strong effort was made to bring pagan Romans and Greeks into the fold of Christianity. By worshipping on Sunday (and Contstantines Sunday law) made it easier because that was the day of the Son god and the similarities weren't that different between Christ in the Christian faith and the sun god. Take into account the scriptures Soma brought out and you could see that pagans could have felt right at home with their reasoning.

From that, we had an amalgamation of paganism and Christianity which resulted in our understanding of holidays, rituals, objects and days that were borrowed.

 

[Aloha Joe]

I think what Soma is trying (and unfortunately, failing to do) to portray with 'sun worship' is not the Christians are worshipping the sun but that the day of Sunday is more an amalgamation between pagans and Christians.

I understood his point perfectly, which is why I told him to bring up Easter's origins while he was at it. I'm not sure you fully understand his point (see also the other thread he started just for li'l ol' me), as he claims that worshiping on Sunday equates to sun worship today, and not just then. But as I mentioned in my post in that thread, the origins of worship on Sunday (and its origins are disputed, particularly between Sabbatarians and non) are irrelevant, as they have no bearing on believers today.

Rom 14: 14I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself; but to him who thinks anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

Rom 14: 6He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he (K)gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God.

1Tim 4:4For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude; 5for it is sanctified by means of the word of God and prayer.

The only thing that makes something unclean is the motivation of the believer's heart, not whether or not some people two millenia ago offered a day up to a pagan god. As I said in my post in the other thread, God is the all-powerful Redeemer, and is perfectly able to redeem all days, which are His creation and belong to Him, to His good purpose. Unless one believes that an impotent pagan god has the power to usurp something from the Almighty Redeemer. My bet's on Yahweh.

As I mentioned in my above post, I hope that he doesn't refer to the days of the week by their common names, as that would be, by his reasoning, to honor the pagan gods after which they were named.

 

[Jay T]

You haven't understood a thing we've said, Jay T. It's Christ's forgiveness that makes us holy, not our own works!

And that is what I've been saying.
The proof of Christ being in us, is the keeping of the 10 commandments (1 John 2:3,4), as humans beings have not...the strenght to keep the 10 commandments.
Christ said: "Without me, ye can do nothing".
Therefore, the people in Revelation 14:12....those who keep the commandments of God, have had the faith in Jesus, to enable them, to keep God's Law of Righteousness (the 10 commandents, Exodus 20:3-17)

b]Jesus takes away sins, Jay T., not us

If Jesus takes away our sins....then why do you persist in implying, that no one can stop sinning ?

 

[Soma-Sight]

I understood his point perfectly, which is why I told him to bring up Easter's origins while he was at it. I'm not sure you fully understand his point (see also the other thread he started just for li'l ol' me), as he claims that worshiping on Sunday equates to sun worship today, and not just then. But as I mentioned in my post in that thread, the origins of worship on Sunday (and its origins are disputed, particularly between Sabbatarians and non) are irrelevant, as they have no bearing on believers today.

So you dont think it to be just a little fishy that the RCC has massive amounts of sun idols and most of there practices would be better named "pagan"?

 

[Aloha Joe]

So you dont think it to be just a little fishy that the RCC has massive amounts of sun idols and most of there practices would be better named "pagan"?

That question is rather leading, as it essentially asks "so you don't consider it pagan that RCC practices are pagan?"
Not that I necessarily agree with you about the RCC, but my comments addressed your notion that Protestant believers (whose name represents their protestation against the RCC) are worshiping the sun simply because many worship on Sunday. The Catholic church has no more authority in their lives than it does yours, and it would make no more sense for me to accuse you of being "allied" with the RCC for the practices that you share, that my chuch does not.

I've already explained why the "amalgamation" of Sunday with a pagan day by some people (not us) millenia ago is irrelevant today if believers today are worshiping Christ and Christ alone--which I and my many Christian brothers and sisters are--so I won't bother explaining that again. If you want to believe that God is so impotent that He can't redeem a day from pagan hands, than that's your choice.

You have yet to answer my question as to why you honor pagain gods by naming the days of the week after them. If you've come up with names for the days of the week that don't honor paganism, please share them with me. I look forward to your response to this question.

 

[Soma-Sight]

Essentially, Soma Sight is employing the anti-Judeo/Christian arguments of the atheists. These are each and all category fallacies.

There were pre-Christian religions that had a god's son die and return to life. There were pre_christian religions/beliefs that had a human woman bring forth a god-man. There were pre-Christian religions that had the concepts of heaven, hell, and the like. The Greeks had spoken of the Word (Logos) as God or representative of God 600 years before John wrote of this.

So, should one throw out the whole enterprise of faith? I think not. Soma's argument would collapse the SDA enterprise just as surely as all other sects, if only it was a legitimate argument.

That would suck thats for sure.

I mean if you look at it historically.....

1. We have evidence of a great "Flood" story already existant in the Sumerian culture "pre-dating" Noah's time. So in effect the "Flood" story would already be available for someone to "copy" and in effect ruin the originality of the OT.

2. There are examples of many other gods predating Christ being crucified and raised from the dead. Other gods have also been born of a virgin... etc.

The same attributes given to Jesus Christ of the Bible were already existant in other cultures and thier gods at the SAME time Christ was historically alive according to believers....

This shows that it would not be too hard to "copy" certain things from other sources....

3. The dualistic concept of Heaven and Hell already were present in the Zorastian religon. Angels were present in this religon as well.

So yes, if these things are true than sola scriptura is a sham....

Its an argument that has much in the way of empirical and historical evidence though thats for sure....

 

[Heidi]

I'm curious if any SDA's know why God wants us to keep the day God rested holy and honor it more than the 6 other days in which he miraculously created the world? There is an answer to this. I'm just wondering if the SDA's know it.

 

[Ruben]

The seventh day observance is recognition of the God of Creation. The observance of Sunday is recognition of the re-creation. The question is did Jesus ordain Sunday as the new day of observance or was it the god of this world, Satan?

 

[Ruben]

The seventh day observance is recognition of the God of Creation. The observance of Sunday is recognition of the re-creation. The question is did Jesus ordain Sunday as the new day of observance or was it the god of this world, Satan?

 

[Ruben]

The seventh day observance is recognition of the God of Creation. The observance of Sunday is recognition of the re-creation. The question is did Jesus ordain Sunday as the new day of observance or was it the god of this world, Satan?

 

[Heidi]

Your response is of course, purposely vague. Again, why are we to honor God's day of rest more than the other 6 days he miraculously created the word? Why is it more important? :-?

 

[guibox]

Your response is of course, purposely vague. Again, why are we to honor God's day of rest more than the other 6 days he miraculously created the word? Why is it more important? :-?

The reason being is because God rested on it (for no apparent reason? Does God really need a rest?) blessed it, set it apart (for whom did He set it apart for at creation, Heidi, the Jews?) and made it holy.

The Sabbath is a memorial of creation that defines who God is. "Remember to keep holy the Sabbath...for in it God created all the earth.

The Sabbath is not a human ordinance. "The Sabbath of...THE LORD, THY GOD. It supercedes any human involvement but is God's holy day...Holy because He blessed it, rested on it and MADE it holy.

No amount of human intervention can change that fact.

It is a time set aside by God for us to rest from the rat race and take some time out to REMEMBER and become refreshed physically, mentally and spiritually.

Christ obeyed it...Paul obeyed it and the church until the 4th century (and even OCs as our friend OC pointed out) obeyed it.

Your 'pragmatic' thinking doesn't take all those things into consideration. Instead you cop out by saying, 'I rest everyday'. Well, it's not all about you and your way of thinking, Heidi. Some things are there because they are there beyond our reasoning and meddling.

 

[Servant_2000]

You Adventist make such a claim the sabbath day goes all the way back to the creation and has always existed. What we see is God resting after six days of creation. The seventh day God rested from all of His work. But is there any evidence that God afterward held a sabbath in heaven every seventh day as marked upon the earth by its seventh day rotation?

Some of us know that God created all things by His spoken word (Hebrews 11:3). He formed them by speaking His word, as in a gesture He stretched His hand out and waved it from right to left or left to right (depending on if God was left or right handed Isaiah 45:12). Thus when God finished speaking the creation into existence, He rested. Since God created with His spoken word, to rest, His spoken word had to cease its work, He stopped speaking creatatively. But did He stop speaking altogether?

Please notice that there is absolutely no record that the sabbath was a time observed by God prior to the creation but was confined to God ceasing from making the creation. Saying, that there is no such thing as a sabbath day observance in heaven. God and the angels do not observe a sabbath day in heaven since there is no work in heaven. And we may glean from this that the sabbath was not a day kept by God and the angels since the creation. If angels did not work and God did not work, why was there a need for sabbath observance? Sabbath is to rest from labor, work, and other personal activity. Labor and work were a curse placed upon man because of His sin (Genesis 3:17-19). It would stand to reason that if the sin of Adam and the curse upon mankind of labor and work were removed by the Cross of Calvary, then at the same time and the same moment, there would be no need of a weekly sabbath. All works of sin that initiated the curse of work and labor would cease. And mankind would revert back to the Eden liberty of fellowshipping with God every day and not just one day a week.

Some of understand that the Word of God remains a creative power (1 Peter 1:23). In the New Covenant the creative Word of God brings forth a new creation. The purpose of the spoken Word was to finalize the creation of man with his greatest endowment, that of being transformed into the likeness of God. In the beginning the scripture says that man was going to be made in the "image and likeness" of God. Paul lets us know in Romans that the "image" was the figure or pattern by which Adam was made. That "image or pattern" was the theophany or incarnation of Almighty God in a bodily form a little lower than that which the angels were created. That "figure or pattern" Paul says was the Lord Jesus Messiah (Romans 5:14). Jesus Messiah was both the "image" of God in a human body and the "likeness" of God, a spiritual body in the resurrection (Colossians 1:15). It remains then for God to complete His creation of mankind into His image. He will not confer this great honor except upon those who desire to be like Him. New Testament salvation is not just escaping the damnation of eternal punishment, it contains the choice to freely allow the Word of God to transform us into sons and daughters of God worthy of the final touch of the Creator, ...His likeness in the resurrection with a spiritual body. Those who reject the preaching of the Word of God to transform them, awaiting our change at the appearing of Jesus Messiah, will be forever damned because they resisted the grace and love of God to finish in them the final work of the spoken Word (Heb 4:2).

The Word of God came forth on the first day of the week in the creation. The Apostle Peter, by Commandment of the Lord Jesus came forth with the WORD of salvation that makes us into a new creation, on the FIRST day of the week. Today we hold worship on the first day of the week so the Ministry can preach the WORD.

Some of us have noticed that the spoken word, transferred to the printed page, is rejected by many and they refuse the creative power of God inherent within these inspired Scriptures to have any effect upon their lives. These are unfinished specimens of God's human experiment and like clay that does not mold in the potter's hands, they also shall be cast aside of being unworthy of the completion into the final product. On the other hand we see the creative power of the Word of God at work in the hearts and lives of those submissive to its glorious molding (Colossians 3:10). Paul alludes to this when he says we who are saved are "God's workmanship created in Messiah Jesus" (Eph 2:10). Herein lies you sabbath keepers greatest problem: if God works by His spoken Word to create, and if He ceased His creative spoken Word and held a sabbath rigidly so that He Himself would not work on any sabbath, then there is one day out of the week God cannot save or do the work of a new creation in the lives and souls of those who are lost. The Word of God would be silent on that day. No soul could be saved on that day. Is this true?

Even among you sabbath keepers you do not believe this. What I have seen for over 35 years among many congregations is that the creative power of God has been at work seven days a week with no regard to an alleged sabbath. You Sabbath keepers have no answer for this. Look what Jesus said:

"And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day. But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work" (John 5:16-17).

Did Jesus say He had worked a miracle by the power of God on the sabbath day? Jesus called performing miracles "work". Even you sabbath keepers who believe in a miracle working God will summon Him to do work on the sabbath as you call upon the name of Jesus for the miracles of salvation and healing. Can a sabbath keeper even work as Jesus worked, when this was forbidden under the Law? You could not go out of your house. Jesus shows us here that He was Lord over the sabbath day. And the Lord showed us He was not going to enforce this Old Testament law upon the New Covenant Israel of God. He freed us from the Law of the Sabbath to do the work of God. The work of God is explained by Jesus in John 6:29 as "that ye believe upon Him who He has sent."

The sabbath day as given to Israel as a sign between God and Israel would come to its end. Today, the creative power of God works every day in the hearts and lives of those who believe upon the name of Jesus Messiah and who are saved (1 Thes 2:13). If God works on the sabbath, then man made in His image and reaching forth unto His likeness may also work.

 

[Heidi]

Your response is of course, purposely vague. Again, why are we to honor God's day of rest more than the other 6 days he miraculously created the word? Why is it more important? :-?

The reason being is because God rested on it (for no apparent reason? Does God really need a rest?) blessed it, set it apart (for whom did He set it apart for at creation, Heidi, the Jews?) and made it holy.

The Sabbath is a memorial of creation that defines who God is. "Remember to keep holy the Sabbath...for in it God created all the earth.

The Sabbath is not a human ordinance. "The Sabbath of...THE LORD, THY GOD. It supercedes any human involvement but is God's holy day...Holy because He blessed it, rested on it and MADE it holy.

No amount of human intervention can change that fact.

It is a time set aside by God for us to rest from the rat race and take some time out to REMEMBER and become refreshed physically, mentally and spiritually.

Christ obeyed it...Paul obeyed it and the church until the 4th century (and even OCs as our friend OC pointed out) obeyed it.

Your 'pragmatic' thinking doesn't take all those things into consideration. Instead you cop out by saying, 'I rest everyday'. Well, it's not all about you and your way of thinking, Heidi. Some things are there because they are there beyond our reasoning and meddling.

God rested for no apparent reason? :o God always has a reason for everything he does! You simply don't understand what that is.

The rat race? Where does the bible tell us to be a part of the rat race? "A friend of the world is an enemy of God." "Be in the world not of the world."

Again, as Hebrews tells us, rest does not mean sloth. It means resting from our own works as the means to salvation. And that is why the seventh day is to be honored above all other days. Remember it is the day that God finished all his work. He did not return to it on Monday.

The OT is a shadow of what God would write on our hearts through Jesus Christ. The laws themselves are not the end. They are the beginning. They point us to the messiah who fulfilled them for us and once we enter God's rest, we rest from our own works. Hebrews 4:10, "for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his." "It is finished", just like God's work was finished.

Entering God's rest through his Son, Jesus Christ, is what all the other 6 days were pointing toward and that is why we are to honor it above all other days. It is what God created the world for so that we can be redeemed through His Son & live in paradise with him forever. The whole OT is pointing toward Christ, the messiah, the seventh and last day before Christ's second coming.

Your cursury understanding of the Sabbath is superficial & shows a complete lack of value for the seventh day. It is far more holy than you can possibly imagine. God didn't just say, "ah, a break from the rat race." Do you even think?

 

[guibox]

Herein lies you sabbath keepers greatest problem: if God works by His spoken Word to create, and if He ceased His creative spoken Word and held a sabbath rigidly so that He Himself would not work on any sabbath, then there is one day out of the week God cannot save or do the work of a new creation in the lives and souls of those who are lost. The Word of God would be silent on that day. No soul could be saved on that day. Is this true?

No. And herein lies your problem. The Sabbath is not merely a 'cessation from work'. Christ came to do away with the legalistic 'no works' aspect of the Sabbath. Rather, we see that the Sabbath is a memorial of not only creation but redemption!

"I am the Lord God that has saved you, wherefore, honor the Sabbath day"

On a cosmic scale, we see that Christ came to save us from our sins. Only God could forgive sins. By Christ's very act of saving us, He shows us who He really is. He proved this through the Sabbath just as He did to the Israelites. He came to heal the people and exposed the hypocrisy of the Pharisees. "It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath". By healing people physically, emotionally and spiritually on the Sabbath, Christ was showing its true meaning and that it was wrapped up in Christ's greater work of salvation.

Even among you sabbath keepers you do not believe this. What I have seen for over 35 years among many congregations is that the creative power of God has been at work seven days a week with no regard to an alleged sabbath. You Sabbath keepers have no answer for this. Look what Jesus said:

"And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day. But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work" (John 5:16-17).

Did Jesus say He had worked a miracle by the power of God on the sabbath day? Jesus called performing miracles "work". Even you sabbath keepers who believe in a miracle working God will summon Him to do work on the sabbath as you call upon the name of Jesus for the miracles of salvation and healing. Can a sabbath keeper even work as Jesus worked, when this was forbidden under the Law?

Now you are being legalistic like the Pharisees. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath. Acts of service, charity, healing and love are all of what the Sabbath is about. This is where the Pharisees missed the mark and made the Sabbath a legalistic burden.

The Sabbath is a time, (set aside by God and cemented by divine example, not merely a command), where we take a break from our secular lives to reflect on who God is (our Creator and Redeemer). It is a time when we abstain from our works so God may fully work in us. Even Calvin understood this, though he applied the sanctity of the Sabbath commandment to Sunday.

 

[Heidi]

So you live a secular life for most of the week and a godly life on one day? If you think this is what the bible means, guibox, then you are sadly mistaken. You understand none of Christ's words about being in the world, not of the world. You don't have a clue what that means, and neither do the Jews.

It is clear that you are not capable of spiritual discernment. Therefore, none of your arguments are credible. They come from human wisdom, not spiritual wisdom, just like the Jews. In addition, you undermine the holiness of the Sabbath by seeing it as simply a day of the week. You're not ready for milk, much less solid food.