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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
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A Person is Justified by Works and not by Faith Alone
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No you don't bring any verses, only your opinion and scripture "tags' or references.
JLB
Yes, that is quite clear. So was the Pharisee's.
That is not true. His point in Rom 4;4,5 is that we are not saved by works, but by grace. Same point in Eph 2:8,9.
I have, they are clear, and you reject them.
The Scripture SAYS what I CLAIM. Unlike your view, which you cannot find any verse that SAYS what you CLAIM.
No, it means to believe the gospel message. There are many many verses that tell us to believe the gospel for salvation.
Your view has not been supported from Scripture. You've made claims, but haven't backed them up.
Well, this is clear enough. You believe that a peson can believe and still perish. All you've done is conflated a bunch of unrelated verses.
Believing is to trust. Let's consider the "idea of commit". Does it mean to commit one's life to Christ? That seems to be your view. But, considering the gospel, and the meaning of believe and trust, the true meaning of "commit" is to commit our souls to Christ for saving. But I doubt you'll accept that meaning.
No, unbelief means to not believe what God has promised.
You have conflated works with faith for salvation. And Paul refuted that notion, twice. You've been given the passages.
I said this:
"Wrong. Eternal life IS a gift of God. And God's gifts are irrevocable. Did you know that the Greek word for "gift" is the SAME in 6:23 and 11:29? That is NOT presupposition. That is FACT. But some don't like that FACT, so they either deny or ignore or reject that FACT."
In order to avoid the charge of liar, I suppose you must think that Rom 6:23 and 11:29 are not really Scripture. Is that how you are comfortable posting what you do?
"Wrong. Eternal life IS a gift of God. And God's gifts are irrevocable. Did you know that the Greek word for "gift" is the SAME in 6:23 and 11:29? That is NOT presupposition. That is FACT. But some don't like that FACT, so they either deny or ignore or reject that FACT."
I guess one could conclude from what I said and what you said is that your statement is a direct lie. I posted 2 verses: Rom 6:23 and Rom 11:29, yet you claimed that "no Scripture was posted", which is an obvious untruth.
In order to avoid the charge of liar, I suppose you must think that Rom 6:23 and 11:29 are not really Scripture. Is that how you are comfortable posting what you do?
No Scripture! Just opinion "tagged' with a reference.
Here is what the scripture Romans 11:29 says -
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. Romans 11:29
No where in this verse is eternal life mentioned.
No scripture posted here.
Only scripture references.
JLB
Rom 11:29 is not a scripture.
It is a scripture reference.
The original scriptures did not even contain Chapters and verse's.
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. That is a scripture.
Rom 11:29 is a half of a scripture reference.
JLB
I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish. Luke 13:3
A person can realize with their mind that they need to repent, but if they don't actually do the work of repenting, then they will perish.
Believing without obeying is dead.
You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe--and tremble! James 2:19
A person must show they believe by repenting.
I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish. Luke 13:3
JLB
This is irrational. And very unreasonable.
Oh, right. That came back in 6:23, where Paul used the SAME GREEK WORD for gift when defining eternal life.
It is very irrational to ignore that Rom 6:23 AND 11:29 prove that eternal life is a gift of God that is irrevocable. This is irrefutable.
It was. Your statement is blatantly untrue.
A Scripture reference is still Scripture. And Rom 6:23 and 11:29 refute your view. Soundly.
You, otoh, have failed to show from anywhere in Romans that Paul didn't include eternal life as one of the gifts of God that are irrevocable.
You have failed to support your view.
I am hopeful that those who don't know what is SAYS will look it up. You want me to actually quote the verse instead of citing the location? I can do that. But what would that accomplish? You come to Scripture with your strong pre-suppositional bias that eternal life is revocable, so no amount of proof will convince you otherwise.
Even though you have failed to provide any verse that SAYS what you keep claiming.
Is really an attempt at a defense?? How about this:
The gift (charisma) of God is eternal life.
The giftrs (charisma) of God are irrevocable.
There. No references, since they seem to offend, or distract, you. Was that better? But I suppose now you'll just say those statements are my opinion only. Yet, they are direct quotes of Scripture.
For sure. And eternal life is a gift of God. That is a Scripture. But you refuse to put them together. Which is irrational and unreasonable.
No, it's a whole reference. It's the whole verse, not just half a verse, as you insinuate.
Your statements are very confused.
I said this:
"What verse SAYS that salvation can be lost? There aren't any."
Your view is an opinion.
My view is Scripture. Eternal life is a gift of God. God's gifts and calling are irrevocable. You want the reference, so you can look it up?
"What verse SAYS that salvation can be lost? There aren't any."
If there were any verses that SAY that salvation can be lost, you would have either cited them, or quoted them. But since you did neither, proves that there aren't any that SAY what you CLAIM.
Your view is an opinion.
My view is Scripture. Eternal life is a gift of God. God's gifts and calling are irrevocable. You want the reference, so you can look it up?
Yet another post with no scripture, only opinion.
This is what I said:
"My view is Scripture. Eternal life is a gift of God. God's gifts and calling are irrevocable. You want the reference, so you can look it up?"
The underlined sentences ARE Scripture, so quit messing around. The first sentence is found in Rom 6:23, and the second sentence is found in Rom 11:29.
So your claims continue to be untrue.
What is opinion is what you claim and haven't proven. In fact, not even a bit of evidence for your opinion.
Why should anyone believe that salvation can be lost when there aren't any verses that actually state that?
I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish. Luke 13:3
A person can realize with their mind that they need to repent, but if they don't actually do the work of repenting, then they will perish.
Believing without obeying is dead.
You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe--and tremble! James 2:19
A person must show they believe by repenting.
I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish. Luke 13:3
JLB
A person can realize with their mind that they need to repent, but if they don't actually do the work of repenting, then they will perish.
Believing without obeying is dead.
You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe--and tremble! James 2:19
A person must show they believe by repenting.
I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish. Luke 13:3
JLB
I said this:
This is what I said:
"My view is Scripture. Eternal life is a gift of God. God's gifts and calling are irrevocable. You want the reference, so you can look it up?"
So, what do you consider them, since they ARE in your Bible. Unless you have blotted or cut them out of your Bible.
This is what I said:
"My view is Scripture. Eternal life is a gift of God. God's gifts and calling are irrevocable. You want the reference, so you can look it up?"
I'm not sure that you are conscious. I quoted directly 2 verses, both of which ARE Scripture. But it seems you have rejected both Rom 6:23 and Rom 11:29 as Scripture.
So, what do you consider them, since they ARE in your Bible. Unless you have blotted or cut them out of your Bible.
Come on man, wake up. Get conscious.
I guess your strongest suit is your simple denial of reality.