A Scenario

[agua.]

YUP do you think Jesus the seed is waiting for a piece of land?

Well sure ! The righteous, in Jesus, will inherit the Earth and abraham will inherit the tiny bit Promised to him.

Don't you think Jesus will inherit the whole Earth ?

 

[John S]

I believe that any teenager that the Lord sees as being mature enough to be responsible for knowing the Lord is also mature enough to find help. In fact they are probably more street smart than Christian kids and have friends who are not Christian that will help. LOL, most of our government officials will be around to help them, too.



Most pet owners have a vet clinic they use. Unless everyone there are believers, this is something that animal type people would think of and also all others such as animal shelters and rescue organizations. They'd be on top of this for sure. At least I know my oldest daughter would if she were left behind, she is a volunteer with a rescue. That would be one of her first thoughts. She'd be going door to door.

You may want to also think about a Rapture will. Do you want someone to have your things?

You may want to stop worrying about the theoretical and start worrying about the here and now.[/QUOTE]

If all your family is saved anyone whoever wants it can have it, who cares, not me. If all your family is not saved, they have first rights anyway and whoever wants it can have it, I don't care.[/QUOTE]
Thank You - for actually answering my questions.
What is the age at which the child would get Raptured according to his own merits and not his parents?

 

[Gary]

So at what age is a child responsible for himself?

That would depend on the maturity of the individual. There is no set age.

 

[Deborah13]

You may want to also think about a Rapture will. Do you want someone to have your things?

You may want to stop worrying about the theoretical and start worrying about the here and now.

If all your family is saved anyone whoever wants it can have it, who cares, not me. If all your family is not saved, they have first rights anyway and whoever wants it can have it, I don't care.[/QUOTE]
Thank You - for actually answering my questions.
What is the age at which the child would get Raptured according to his own merits and not his parents?[/QUOTE]

The Lord knows when a person is responsible, I don't.

 

[Eugene]

1. I'm sure that there are hundreds of threads that debate the pros and cons of a Pre-Trib Rapture.
2. I guess I'm one of the rare people who is not obsessed with the idea of a Rapture. However, if there does happen to be one, it will be Post-Trib.
3. Is the infant Raptured with its mother? If it is, then at what age are children responsible for themselves?
4. You can choose to mock my questions, but they are legitimate.

No mockery intended, though it appeared that you intended to mock those that thought differently than you about a pre-trib rapture. I personally do not care what doctrine people believe concerning our gathering to the Lord, but if a certain question is asked that I want to consider options I like to chime in.

You say a legitimate question is concerning the infant raptured with its mother. Is the mother dead or alive? Is the infant dead? Are both alive? Is there scripture you know of covering that question, or would it be according to man's reasoning as to what God should do?

I do not know the answer, though King David's infant son that died was taken to Abraham's bosom. The age of responsibility seems to differ with individuals; some may never be accountable.

You also think a post-trib rapture is appropriate, and I would have to ask the same questions about an infant at that time being any different than pre-trib.

Thanks.

 

[Deborah13]

That would depend on the maturity of the individual. There is no set age.

I agree.

 

[jasonc]

I wonder. if john s has written any books, there is a local man who is pre trib and has stated the same about a rapture will for donating ones good to a jew.

 

[reba]

Well sure ! The righteous, in Jesus, will inherit the Earth and abraham will inherit the tiny bit Promised to him.

Don't you think Jesus will inherit the whole Earth ?

yup exactly ... Notice I said a piece of land...

 

[reba]

With out the Holy Spirit around the evil will be so strong it wont matter one bit the strongest will take from who ever what ever...

 

[jasonc]

yup exactly ... Notice a said a piece of land...

Well sure ! The righteous, in Jesus, will inherit the Earth and abraham will inherit the tiny bit Promised to him.

Don't you think Jesus will inherit the whole Earth ?

ok. I agree with reba, the torah in genesis started with men on the earth a sinning. isreal may be mine and my kins one again but I do see what the Hebrew teach now. that the land will be no more after the final destruction of creation at times. im not sure if god will purge the creation or as my dad and many jews say destroy it and the jews live in heaven forever. either way jesus said the righteous shall inherit the earth to a bunch of jews, he didn't say eritz isreal to them

 

[agua.]

yup exactly ... Notice I said a piece of land...

Err ok Rebs. So you agree Abraham will get his small piece of land promised to Him ?

 

[jasonc]

Err ok Rebs. So you agree Abraham will get his small piece of land promised to Him ?

Hebrews 11:10 stated that he did, he looked for that city whose maker in heaven and that city too was in heaven. you should know this that jews and the bible supports this that isreal is a nation of people with both physical and spiritual attributes. what is the point of isreal? to have a land? or was the land given with the torah and a purpose given?

what city is promised to Abraham? if there is one show me in genesis? god also said I am thine inheritance and exceeding great reward.

 

[reba]

I believe he got it just not the way you believe it

 

[agua.]

Hebrews 11:10 stated that he did, he looked for that city whose maker in heaven and that city too was in heaven. you should know this that jews and the bible supports this that isreal is a nation of people with both physical and spiritual attributes. what is the point of isreal? to have a land? or was the land given with the torah and a purpose given?

what city is promised to Abraham? if there is one show me in genesis? god also said I am thine inheritance and exceeding great reward.

I have no idea how to answer a question i don't understand I may as well throw fruit loops in the air and hope I catch a yellow one with my eyes closed..

 

[jasonc]

I have no idea how to answer a question i don't understand I may as well throw fruit loops in the air and hope I catch a yellow one with my eyes closed..

then what is the city? I know the name of the city. its called mt zion. a heavenly city. its in Hebrews as well.

 

[John S]

No mockery intended, though it appeared that you intended to mock those that thought differently than you about a pre-trib rapture. I personally do not care what doctrine people believe concerning our gathering to the Lord, but if a certain question is asked that I want to consider options I like to chime in.

You say a legitimate question is concerning the infant raptured with its mother. Is the mother dead or alive? Is the infant dead? Are both alive? Is there scripture you know of covering that question, or would it be according to man's reasoning as to what God should do?

I do not know the answer, though King David's infant son that died was taken to Abraham's bosom. The age of responsibility seems to differ with individuals; some may never be accountable.

You also think a post-trib rapture is appropriate, and I would have to ask the same questions about an infant at that time being any different than pre-trib.

Thanks.

My questions are legitimate. They are NOT intended to mock anyone.
If a mother is Raptured, why would she be dead? If the infant isn't Raptured with its mother, then it will fall to the floor.
According to the answers, there doesn't seem to be an age of accountability for a child - or no one has ever given it any thought. Maybe parents of young children should. Maybe parents should ask their ministers.

 

[John S]

I wonder. if john s has written any books, there is a local man who is pre trib and has stated the same about a rapture will for donating ones good to a jew.

NO - I haven't written any books. I'm just a man on a website asking questions.
Would you happen to know the age of accountability for children - 6, 8, 10, 15, 18? In other words, at what age are children responsible for their own religious beliefs?

 

[jasonc]

NO - I haven't written any books. I'm just a man on a website asking questions.
Would you happen to know the age of accountability for children - 6, 8, 10, 15, 18? In other words, at what age are children responsible for their own religious beliefs?

I would use the Hebrew idea form the oral tradition since moses, 13. but its known to be earlier.

 

[Eugene]

[QUOTE="John S, post: 948557, member: 5806"[/quote]
John S - If a mother is Raptured, why would she be dead?
Eugene - How else do those that die get to heaven? 1 Thes 4:16 . . the dead in Christ shall rise first.

John S - If the infant isn't Raptured with its mother, then it will fall to the floor.
Eugene - Since we're not told we just do not know.

John S - According to the answers, there doesn't seem to be an age of accountability for a child - or no one has ever given it any thought.

Eugene - I seem to agree with others who have attempted to make clear that there is no given age of accountability. Every individual surely matures at different rates, and we should attempt to establish that which is said; not what is not said. Would you say God is unjust if a mother holding a child suddenly had a heart attack and died while holding a child? Can God be judged wrong in anything He allows or does?

John 9:41 “Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.” Would the young be considered blind to their sin?

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Next let's take an example concerning those unbelievers taken at the start of the millennium reserved unto judgment. I personally believe they will be taken in death to await judgment at the great white throne.
Luk 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
Luk 17:35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Luk 17:36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Those left will enter the thousand year reign of Christ as those who endured unto the end, but I ask you: will an unrighteous mother die and let her nursing child fall to the floor? Maybe God will assign a guardian angel as it were to catch each one, draw up adoption papers for it and assign it to the custody of someone He knows is just waiting and wanting a child. What do you think?

 

[John S]

I would use the Hebrew idea form the oral tradition since moses, 13. but its known to be earlier.

Thank You - I would have also guessed it to be earlier - but O.K.