According to Jesus...

[seekandlisten]

No problem - but beware of Islam, there are some serious issues to consider, and terrorism is only secondary. Our culture of freedom is at serious risk and Western society is basically giving it up. We see this in Europe already.

Take care

Islam is just as crazy as Christianity in my opinion. There are the moderates and fundamentalists. There are just as many Christian 'terrorists' as Muslim 'terrorists' and the reality is it has nothing to do with religion but personal gain.

As far as the thoughts on Islam 'taking over the world' I think it's mostly propaganda as the 'Christian' population declines and Islam rises, I don't know how true this is though as I have only seen some 'polls' regarding it. One day we will see religions for what they are and can finally get along without thinking we are fighting a 'holy war' with each other because we believe slightly different things about God. The 'word' was meant to be lived not believed in enough.(and yes I include all religions here not just Christianity)

On a positive note, I have learned that my preconceived ideas, what I was taught by my protestant parents, about Catholicism were way off base in reading discussions that you and the Barbarian have contributed in though I still disagree on certain points.

cheers

 

[jasoncran]

many a pastors that i know arent paid. one works with me. and another runs a church that her husband started and was blessed by the lord to start on 10 acres, and she lives on that property. she gets no income from the church.

Are you sure that they are not planning to get paid as soon as they have enough people in their church? That's how paid pastors' church start.

They won't take any offerings and tithes?

shad perhaps Paul whom like to claim supports your view was lying when he said this1 corinthans 10:13-15. which is also supported by the ot type of priest that had no inheritence, why? because the lord would give them the means to survive. now how did he do that?

read malachi 3:10.

you have said that you want to be a missionary, how is it going to happen when you need money and the lord sends you a gifted man with accounting skills and also is holy and god fearing serveant, and another is the same that has the money. yet others(s) that have the means to get bibles and supplies that you will need to help the poor and food for yourself.

shad , you make to easy to counter this stuff. you have an orginaztion, you lead the church, your wife must do something else and your children another.

i'm sure not all or lead worship,or preach, or feed the poor. even though you are small many of that is shared but when you need to help alot of the poor, what then?

 

[shad]

i'm sure not all or lead worship,or preach, or feed the poor. even though you are small many of that is shared but when you need to help alot of the poor, what then?

We are doing as much as we can. There is too much corruption going on in the Christian community, we must keep Jesus' name holy and reputable. We will not contribute to hypocritical practices. Too many churches are abusing the verse you provided. It is not amount Jesus expects, rather it is our hearts. We can serve God without counting on anyone's monetary contribution. You never know how Jesus uses small amount of contribution to the poor and the needy.

 

[shad]

Ezekiel is prophesying about how unfaithful shepherds CAN BE.

Jesus leads His People through men, as God has done throughout the Scriptures.

If you claim all shepherds are unfaithful, then the Apostles had some serious issues with following Jesus' instructions to them, my friend.

Regards

Ok, this is your organization's reasoning and I disagree wholeheartedly. The Bible is not as complicated as you are making it out to be. Paul's instruction is just basic principle.

 

[jasoncran]

i'm sure not all or lead worship,or preach, or feed the poor. even though you are small many of that is shared but when you need to help alot of the poor, what then?

We are doing as much as we can. There is too much corruption going on in the Christian community, we must keep Jesus' name holy and reputable. We will not contribute to hypocritical practices. Too many churches are abusing the verse you provided. It is not amount Jesus expects, rather it is our hearts. We can serve God without counting on anyone's monetary contribution. You never know how Jesus uses small amount of contribution to the poor and the needy.

what if the Lord tells you and gives you a dream that millions will be reached by you.and that involves the poor in a large amount.

using your thinking.
we shouldnt marry as theres too much divorce.

should we throw away the basic instuitiions God uses over failiures of man?did the Lord say the upon this rock shall i build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

so when you cant help you send them to the secularist? :verysad do you preach against using your talents on the large scale like that?

 

[Danus]

We can be sinless with God' help if we are willing and faithful.

If we are sinners when we die, we will not enter into His kingdom. That's my OP.

OSAS is false doctrine and false assurance.

Since you are so confident in what you say you won't mind answering a few simple questions. Here is my question for you shad.

When you die, why should God let you into his heaven?

 

[watchman F]

[quote="watchman F":2bazibo4]Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book

Explain this verse away Danus.

Your not stumped are you Danus????

No sir, Good verse by the way. I did respond.[/quote:2bazibo4]I will give you this you are hard core not going to budge no matter what scripture says. Is that a good thing? I think not.

 

[shad]

When you die, why should God let you into his heaven?

I won't argue with God. He is God, not me.

 

[jasoncran]

When you die, why should God let you into his heaven?

I won't argue with God. He is God, not me.

so you dont think that by now you have merited anything for salvation?

 

[shad]

what if the Lord tells you and gives you a dream that millions will be reached by you.and that involves the poor in a large amount.

I will deal with it when that happens. I dont play "what if" games.

using your thinking.
we shouldnt marry as theres too much divorce.

You are right, and there are too many unbiblical divorces and remarriages permitted by churches. This is another corruption.

should we throw away the basic instuitiions God uses over failiures of man?did the Lord say the upon this rock shall i build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

The church is the Body of Christ and all His followers are part of it. It is not thrown away just because organizations are corrupt.

so when you cant help you send them to the secularist? :verysad do you preach against using your talents on the large scale like that?

We send to reputable organizations who are mainly helping disaster relief organization. I dont preach at all. All we do is to give out the New Testament in overseas. We also encourage young people to read the Bible.

 

[shad]

I will give you this you are hard core not going to budge no matter what scripture says. Is that a good thing? I think not.

Church attenders are hard core, they are not open to the Bible. They are dovoted to their pastors and denominations.

 

[jasoncran]

what if the Lord tells you and gives you a dream that millions will be reached by you.and that involves the poor in a large amount.

I will deal with it when that happens. I dont play "what if" games.

using your thinking.
we shouldnt marry as theres too much divorce.

You are right, and there are too many unbiblical divorces and remarriages permitted by churches. This is another corruption.many arent married by the church, and even so. the lord ordianed marriages, see the book of genesis.that comment by you is unbelivable.

[quote:1bycf28z]should we throw away the basic instuitiions God uses over failiures of man?did the Lord say the upon this rock shall i build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

The church is the Body of Christ and all His followers are part of it. It is not thrown away just because organizations are corrupt.
ah you my friend are have an home chuch and is an organization.

so when you cant help you send them to the secularist? :verysad do you preach against using your talents on the large scale like that?

We send to reputable organizations who are mainly helping disaster relief organization. I dont preach at all. All we do is to give out the New Testament in overseas. We also encourage young people to read the Bible.[/quote:1bycf28z]
but you lead at home who or what gives you the nt. it aint printed on the air, somebodies buying.

 

[Danus]

I will give you this you are hard core not going to budge no matter what scripture says. Is that a good thing? I think not.

It's not for you if you want a prize for your argument Hardcore to the floor brother, but I'm not not budging on what scripture says. Only on what you say it says.

I firmly believe what I'm stating, and I will defend it to my death. That does not mean I don't think you know scripture or are not saved or are not a Godly man, who loves Christ. Please don't think that. Nor do I think that what you believe will in anyway keep you from salvation. But, I would like to get your take on that same scripture Revelation 22:19.

To me, there are only two types of people the bible is meant for, believers and nonbelievers. The verse you cited addresses nonbelievers. It's for all, but does not specify that it is addressed to a believer in that; what believer of Christ would turn from Christ?

As I mentioned I am 22 years saved. I'm a bigger Christians today then I was then. I am a sinner by nature, but I don't want to be a sinner; I repent of my sins, but only Christ can lead me to overcome because only Christ has ever done so. My only hope of salvation is in my love for Christ.

If I do anything against Christ it's not willful on my part. It would not be what is in my heart. Does that mean 'm not responsible? No I am, and I could damage my relationship, but I can not loose my union. I can repair my relationship, that which I desire, by seeking forgiveness, but I don't need to be saved again. Once saved, always saved, but once saved does not mean no need for further forgiveness. The relationship goes on. If it ends by anything I do, then it never existed.

 

[shad]

so you dont think that by now you have merited anything for salvation?

We are aiming to be approved by Jesus. You should be too, not relying on your false assurance.

 

[Danus]

When you die, why should God let you into his heaven?

I won't argue with God. He is God, not me.

But I'm asking you, how will you get in? On what merit will you enter haven? Do you not know? What justifies your ability to be in the presents of a holly God? If you don't know just say you don't know.

 

[Danus]

so you dont think that by now you have merited anything for salvation?

We are aiming to be approved by Jesus. You should be too, not relying on your false assurance.

So you die. You go to heaven and you are facing judgment. You are hopping to be approved by Christ.

Why should he approve of you? Will he approve of the way in which you lived? Will that do it?

 

[shad]

but you lead at home who or what gives you the nt. it aint printed on the air, somebodies buying.

No, I take a trip overseas every year to give them out. We have a life besides the INTERNET. Are you saying the internet and your church are the only way to serve God? Don't use your own scale to measure everyone else, friend.

 

[shad]

Why should he approve of you? Will he approve of the way in which you lived? Will that do it?

I am so glad you are not the Judge. I dont have to prove anything to you or anyone else. I am Jesus' servant.

 

[shad]

But I'm asking you, how will you get in? On what merit will you enter haven? Do you not know? What justifies your ability to be in the presents of a holly God? If you don't know just say you don't know.

After all this talk and verses, you still don't get my point, I am done with you.

take care.

 

[Danus]

Church attenders are hard core, they are not open to the Bible. They are dovoted to their pastors and denominations.

Come on Shad! How can you make that statement brother?

Look The church I attend is just a building. I'm not devoted to it or to the pastor. I like him, but that does not mean I worship the building or the pastor. People come and go there all the time. How can you make a statement like that it seems so ...general like your not around people or visited any church.

Surly you have fellowship with other Christians?