According to Jesus...

[watchman F]

How sad it is that people go to church and are hard-core believers ???

He meant that church goers are hard-core to trust their church doctrines. It feels safe to be one of the crowd.

eeehhhh? That's pretty general and assuming statment. Sounds like a deep rooted bitterness. What the heck happened to you two at church?

If you mean me and shad by you two, I go to church about 3 of them all week long....lol. I just refuse to allow the teaching of man to effect the clear meaning of scripture as you have done.

 

[shad]

eeehhhh? That's pretty general and assuming statment. Sounds like a deep rooted bitterness. What the heck happened to you two at church?

It is not bitterness, it is reality. Too many corruption is going on at the mainstream churches.

 

[shad]

I did not have a question regarding teachers, I was just providing correction on the idea that we don't need them.

Regards

I am not saying we don't need them. What I mean is that I dont trust mainstream churches' interpretation; Calvinism and Catholicism.

 

[francisdesales]

I did not have a question regarding teachers, I was just providing correction on the idea that we don't need them.

Regards

I am not saying we don't need them. What I mean is that I dont trust mainstream churches' interpretation; Calvinism and Catholicism.

You don't trust the Bible, either, since the Catholic Church decided what to insert and leave out. I am not sure how one can logically have one without the other - a Sacred Scripture and a Witnessing Community to the message...

Also, if you look at your responses to this question, you'll find that you "rely on Jesus only, since He is the only teacher". That means you do not believe any teachers can help support your faith and that shepherds placed by God into the community are not valid.

Regards

 

[shad]

You don't trust the Bible, either, since the Catholic Church decided what to insert and leave out.

I am not a scholar and I dont know the process of how the Bible is gathered. But it is written that Scripture is God-inspired. I trust that.

Also, if you look at your responses to this question, you'll find that you "rely on Jesus only, since He is the only teacher". That means you do not believe any teachers can help support your faith and that shepherds placed by God into the community are not valid.

As I already told you, since there is too much corruption going on in the churches, I don't trust whoever is in the corrupt system of the churches. I am only taking Jesus' advice to know them by their fruit.

 

[Mysteryman]

I did not have a question regarding teachers, I was just providing correction on the idea that we don't need them.

Regards

I am not saying we don't need them. What I mean is that I dont trust mainstream churches' interpretation; Calvinism and Catholicism.

You don't trust the Bible, either, since the Catholic Church decided what to insert and leave out. I am not sure how one can logically have one without the other - a Sacred Scripture and a Witnessing Community to the message...

Also, if you look at your responses to this question, you'll find that you "rely on Jesus only, since He is the only teacher". That means you do not believe any teachers can help support your faith and that shepherds placed by God into the community are not valid.

Regards

Hi

And the rcc didn't put the Spirit of truth into anyone either ! God did !

I tell you what, I will donate my bible to the rcc, since it claims ownership.

 

[Mysteryman]

Hi Danus :

I have to disagree with your comment here. God is the one who gives the increase, and no amount of money or buisness like attitude is going to change what God will or will not do. The church is not in a competition with the secular world for the hearts and minds of people.

God is the one who can change peoples heart, and it is God who gives the increase. I see way too many times, where people or organizations believe that money is the power that opens up the way to allow God to help change peoples hearts. Jesus never went about with this approach ! Never !

He fed the multitude with a few fish and a couple of loaves that were donated and he prayed over them, and the multitude was fed. LIkewise, the multitude followed him, not because he spent lots of money to impress or override the counter wealth of the world. Just the opposite is true !

I understand.

There is not much I can say to defend a situation that clearly exist in society today; particularly in regards to churches employing people, time, energy, resources and such to do the best they can in this world to reach and help people for the kingdom.

I’m not saying that God needs your money, so please don’t take that from what I said. Some churches have more than others and they use what they have to do what they feel is best in regards to being effective as a body of Christ.

If I drive a BMW and someone else drives a beat up ford, does that make me wrong? After all I don’t need it. I could have the lesser car and used the left over cash for Christ right?

Envy is a sin to, you know. People with a little cash get kicked around quite a bit these days, even though they also give. God can use the wealthy in ways he can’t use the poor.

How can someone judge a church because they serve Starbucks coffee and have a stone facing on their building? God may not be in competition, but churches are. They are trying to attract members. What's wrong with that?

Hi Danus:

I think it all comes down to what one purposes in their heart, because God loves a cheerful giver.

 

[Danus]

If you mean me and shad by you two, I go to church about 3 of them all week long....lol. I just refuse to allow the teaching of man to effect the clear meaning of scripture as you have done.

How then have you set yourself apart from other men and their teachings? What is it about your interpretation of scripture that is any more superior?

It would be a mistake to assume that I am a brainwashed simpleton who goes to church every week for spoon-feed reprogramming. My understanding of the word comes from my own study. However, I have meet and know of the work of, Giant theologians whom I carry great respect for.

I don't simply hear a preacher and think that's it. I test what I hear in light of scripture. I ask questions, particularly of those who claim to have answers, and then I test that to what God has written and my use of the understanding which he has given me.

Fair enough?

I've asked you several questions, but so far every time I draw up the bucket from your well...it's empty. That does not mean I'm going to stop asking you questions, watchman f. I just need a longer rope, I know this! :P

 

[Danus]

Hi Danus:

I think it all comes down to what one purposes in their heart, because God loves a cheerful giver.

That's the best thing I've heard in weeks brother!

 

[jasoncran]

no, you decry the evils of organizations and all that they are, and the same time you give money to those that help the poor.

i can see why you believe that way,but there are men that are trying to be the best persons for the lord and decry all the corruption,my pastor is one and i listen to many that do.

for francisdales, we have been going over what salvation is and the pastor mentioned that a good example is none other st.teresa of calcutta. her walk that is and how she sacrificed for the poor.

 

[Danus]

eeehhhh? That's pretty general and assuming statment. Sounds like a deep rooted bitterness. What the heck happened to you two at church?

It is not bitterness, it is reality. Too many corruption is going on at the mainstream churches.

You have evidence of this? I mean what is the amount of "Too Much"? If you are charging this to the mainstream churches don't you think you should have some more facts to back that accusation up? It's a big world out there.

Funny I thought you where Catholic when we started this whole thing....I owe a big apology to my Catholic friends. I thought you where of the Catholic faith making accusations about the Protestant faith, the reformation and inputted righteousness. Boy did I step into that.

Tell me more about this corruption that exist. I want names!

 

[shad]

You have evidence of this?

They approve of the military which kills its enemies.
They approve of unscriptural divorces and remarriages.

These are the biggest ones. I can bring up some more.

 

[Danus]

You have evidence of this?

They approve of the military which kills its enemies.
They approve of unscriptural divorces and remarriages.

These are the biggest ones. I can bring up some more.

Who exactly are "they"? Your saying all churches support the military? How exactly?

I know one that does not support the military what so ever.

 

[francisdesales]

no, you decry the evils of organizations and all that they are, and the same time you give money to those that help the poor.

i can see why you believe that way,but there are men that are trying to be the best persons for the lord and decry all the corruption,my pastor is one and i listen to many that do.

for francisdales, we have been going over what salvation is and the pastor mentioned that a good example is none other st.teresa of calcutta. her walk that is and how she sacrificed for the poor.

Yes, a wonderful example of a sainly woman. Humility and self-sacrifice, two key elements of following Christ.

Regards

 

[shad]

Who exactly are "they"? Your saying all churches support the military? How exactly?

Most trinitarian churches; both Catholics and protestants.

I know one that does not support the military what so ever.

It is very rare.

 

[francisdesales]

Most trinitarian churches; both Catholics and protestants.

We support the military in self defense, which is quite appropriate and scriptural. Remember, the Catholic Church was against the invasion of Iraq, etc., and continues to fight for peace throughout the world, not just in the Middle East, but also, that forgotten continent, Africa...

I am just commenting, I don't think this discussion on the military will be any more productive than the last time we had it...

Regards

 

[watchman F]

If you mean me and shad by you two, I go to church about 3 of them all week long....lol. I just refuse to allow the teaching of man to effect the clear meaning of scripture as you have done.

How then have you set yourself apart from other men and their teachings? What is it about your interpretation of scripture that is any more superior?

More superior? I dont interpret it. I believe it as it is written. When the Bible says this or that I do not make up long dialoges why it means something else as you do. I believe it exactly as it is written.

 

[jasoncran]

shad, you are one strange in that anti-military belief.
uh in case you have forgotten. that border problem we have is history repeating, the op that gojubrian started was the case in the 30's. google pancho villa and what he did to santa fe and other border cities and cops and the military work together.

in any major disaster, we guardsmen go and work with the leo's

so i will repeat this question to wit you dodge or just say i never said do anything. what does one do to stop evil? i want you idea on this.

since francis brought it up. i am against the iraq war, but once it started we need to win it.

 

[shad]

Most trinitarian churches; both Catholics and protestants.

We support the military in self defense, which is quite appropriate and scriptural. Remember, the Catholic Church was against the invasion of Iraq, etc., and continues to fight for peace throughout the world, not just in the Middle East, but also, that forgotten continent, Africa...

I am just commenting, I don't think this discussion on the military will be any more productive than the last time we had it...

Regards

I know that trinitarian churches have no qualm about their members join the military, rather treating them as heroes. It is a grave sin against Jesus' commandment. You are right, we already had this talk many times but that does make it right. Sin still remains.

 

[Mysteryman]

Most trinitarian churches; both Catholics and protestants.

We support the military in self defense, which is quite appropriate and scriptural. Remember, the Catholic Church was against the invasion of Iraq, etc., and continues to fight for peace throughout the world, not just in the Middle East, but also, that forgotten continent, Africa...

I am just commenting, I don't think this discussion on the military will be any more productive than the last time we had it...

Regards

I know that trinitarian churches have no qualm about their members join the military, rather treating them as heroes. It is a grave sin against Jesus' commandment. You are right, we already had this talk many times but that does make it right. Sin still remains.

Hi Shad

I am totally perplexed by your comments here. May I ask, what "grave sin against Jesus' commandment" is it that you are talking about here in relationship to being a part of the military ?