According to Jesus...

[jasoncran]

so you dont know then, i already know how to do it, as i have been well trained in joint locks but those often will break arms. or seriously injure.

By using your own logic and secular mentality, you are sinning against Jesus' commandments. You love yourself more than Jesus. Your logic does not harmonize with Jesus' words, doing so you are dishonoring Jesus completely. You don't trust His Word.

Your logic goes like this; if you follow Jesus' commandment, you cannot defend yourself and your family, therefore you should not follow His commandment.

so, explain to me how you would do that, shad, pray and hope that the lord miracously stops the attacker? that does work but lets be real, ok. i have slit you in throat, you have seconds to live or few minutes, praying coherently then wont be easy.

shad , ever of heard of akido, the pacifistic art, no attacks just defenses. that is the art i would use to try to stop him first if i can, but grabbing an arm with a knife in real life isnt like the movies, you will get cut, or stabbed.


i'm not talking about someone insulting me, somebody who wants to harm me or my family. insults is where i wont bother, but if they try to harm me with the intent to kill, or rape me or my wife or carjack then its on.



so shad did jesus really say roll over and die for the attacker and let him continue doing evil? since you call me un biblical for defending my family , i guess calling the cops is the same too.

 

[RichardBurger]

I can see where you might think I think that where I talked about growth, but I largely agree with you. Our condition is that of sinner by nature, but we are saved by being born again. That's what i mean when i say accepting Christ. ....question for you is can we loose that salvation that we accepted? If so How?

NO! We don't lose our salvation by NOT keeping the law. We are free from regulations. However we SHOULD live our lives in the flesh with the attitude that we do no harm to others.

I don't see how a child, born of God in the sprit, can lose that birth by sins of the flesh. It wasn't given because you stopped sinning in the flesh.

People don't seem to realize that we are not saved BECAUSE of what we do in the flesh and we are not lost because of what we do in the flesh. We are saved by God so that the work of His Son on the cross will NOT go without results. It is for His glory, not man's.

 

[shad]

so shad did jesus really say roll over and die for the attacker and let him continue doing evil?

No it does not say to roll over and die, there are other things you can do. Yes, you may die if attacker is stronger than you but Christians would rather die than killing anyone against Jesus' word. Our lives does not worth anything if we survive with sinning against Jesus. And Jesus will cherish you if you die because you honored His word. Do you know that the tons and tons died and dying for Jesus sake? And they are not dying because they joined the military either. They died and dying because of pure Christianity.

since you call me un biblical for defending my family , i guess calling the cops is the same too.

Jesus also says let the dead bury their own dead. You should start to accommodate what the Bible says instead of coming up with nitpicking and excuses. Look how many excuses you have come up with. Because you are bent on your own way instead of Jesus' ways, this is not going anywhere and meaningless. Why don't we just quit. I will not accommodate you no matter how many excuses and nitpickings you bring up.

 

[watchman F]

True or False: Jesus died on the cross as a perfect sacrifice for the sins of man.

Yes

True or False: We are saved by accepting Christ in faith.

Yes

Would you say also that this following is true. Just posted on an other thread. I think it's a good example of faith.

To remove fear from our heart we must have perfect love (1John4:18). To have perfect love, is to have perfect faith in God; because God is love. When we have perfect faith in God, His love expressed through His sacrifice on the cross (in order to expiate for the sins we committed against Him) becomes a reality to us. We, therefore have an absolute confidence that He will protect us from evil. This frees us from anxiety and fear. Furthermore, because of this faith we too will forgive those who have betrayed us and have been unfaithful to us; and compensate for their offenses by sacrificing our pride and feelings, and by staying faithful to our commitments to them. In addition, because love is selfless, if we exercise love, we would be concerned about the pain and suffering of others, rather than our own. These would free us of jealousy, lust, hate and revenge.

Sure this is true. But none of this either proves your point or denies the truth of scripture that one can fall away.

 

[Danus]

Sure this is true. But none of this either proves your point or denies the truth of scripture that one can fall away.

Good so far. I just have a couple more questions I need to ask then I hope to shed some light on a few things that I think you’ll find interesting to ponder.

The bible is the infallible word of God; True or False?

There are no contradictions in the word of God; True or False?

I know your answers, but humor me. I will look for your response tonight when I have more time and get back to you.

 

[Danus]

I can see where you might think I think that where I talked about growth, but I largely agree with you. Our condition is that of sinner by nature, but we are saved by being born again. That's what i mean when i say accepting Christ. ....question for you is can we loose that salvation that we accepted? If so How?

NO! We don't lose our salvation by NOT keeping the law. We are free from regulations. However we SHOULD live our lives in the flesh with the attitude that we do no harm to others.

I don't see how a child, born of God in the sprit, can lose that birth by sins of the flesh. It wasn't given because you stopped sinning in the flesh.

People don't seem to realize that we are not saved BECAUSE of what we do in the flesh and we are not lost because of what we do in the flesh. We are saved by God so that the work of His Son on the cross will NOT go without results. It is for His glory, not man's.

Well RichardBurger, it seems we are on the same page my brother in Christ.

 

[watchman F]

Sure this is true. But none of this either proves your point or denies the truth of scripture that one can fall away.

Good so far. I just have a couple more questions I need to ask then I hope to shed some light on a few things that I think you’ll find interesting to ponder.

The bible is the infallible word of God; True or False?

There are no contradictions in the word of God; True or False?

I know your answers, but humor me. I will look for your response tonight when I have more time and get back to you.

both are true

 

[jasoncran]

so shad did jesus really say roll over and die for the attacker and let him continue doing evil?

No it does not say to roll over and die, there are other things you can do. Yes, you may die if attacker is stronger than you but Christians would rather die than killing anyone against Jesus' word. Our lives does not worth anything if we survive with sinning against Jesus. And Jesus will cherish you if you die because you honored His word. Do you know that the tons and tons died and dying for Jesus sake? And they are not dying because they joined the military either. They died and dying because of pure Christianity.

since you call me un biblical for defending my family , i guess calling the cops is the same too.

Jesus also says let the dead bury their own dead. You should start to accommodate what the Bible says instead of coming up with nitpicking and excuses. Look how many excuses you have come up with. Because you are bent on your own way instead of Jesus' ways, this is not going anywhere and meaningless. Why don't we just quit. I will not accommodate you no matter how many excuses and nitpickings you bring up.

so,then you wont call the cops if you are being robbed and and your family hurt.

this nitpicking i am doing is to get a straight answer, how shall i apply what you say?

you have failed to show me, only told me that by defending my family i sin while claiming that millions die while doing missionary work.


if you truly want to fix the corruption then offer the better way. which you havent. you have only stated what the problem is. and no means nor example to apply the bible.


i hate violenve, i dont watch horror films

 

[jasoncran]

shad , i love the lord its your poor exegesis that i'm attacking

you have said that the lord calls the goverment of rome and all govts satans'

why then didnt the lord tell the jewish man zaccheus not to quit the tax collection? instead after zacheeus told the lord that we would repent of his stealing from the citizens in his collections and restore them fourfold? instead he tells him that salvation has come to his house?

odd that the lord would do that.

if you say i am wrong then argue better. i may agree with francisdales, but he cant show effectively why he believes what he believes.

 

[Danus]

[quote="watchman F":l7sqfxfr]Sure this is true. But none of this either proves your point or denies the truth of scripture that one can fall away.

Good so far. I just have a couple more questions I need to ask then I hope to shed some light on a few things that I think you’ll find interesting to ponder.

The bible is the infallible word of God; True or False?

There are no contradictions in the word of God; True or False?

I know your answers, but humor me. I will look for your response tonight when I have more time and get back to you.

both are true[/quote:l7sqfxfr]

Ok. So we agree Jesus died on the cross as a perfect sacrifice for the sins of mankind. We receive our salvation by accepting Jesus in faith. Faith is well described by “arunangelo’ had to say about perfect love and overcoming fear. I think with that description of faith we can do anything.

Christ even illustrated faith and it’s power when he said in Matthew 17:20 (New International Version)
20He replied, "Because you have so little faith. I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you."
That’s the type of faith I think we can agree that we have in our Lord Jesus Christ and that is the type of faith we apply to accepting him which in turn we gain our salvation.

Now, I am saved (born again) I think you indicated you are also. So, we possess this faith. We are saved. We are like the sheep of Christ and he, our Shepard. Jesus illustrates this in John 10:27 (New International Version)
27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.
You and I, watchman are those sheep. We listen and we know our Shepard’s voice and we follow him. How much then do we belong to him?
If we read further in John 10 we get a BIG clue to that question. John 10:27-30 (New International Version)
27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. 30I and the Father are one."
Jesus say he give his sheep eternal life. Those sheep are you and I as saved Christians. Saved Christians follow Christ, we know his voice. Look further also that Jesus speaks of just how much we do belong to him and that NO ONE can snatch us out of his hand. No one can steal us away from our Shepard.
But, what is we stray away either by choice or we just wander? Will we still belong to Christ? Will he pursue us? We get a good clue to this answer in Luke 15:3-7 (New International Version)
3Then Jesus told them this parable: 4"Suppose one of you has a hundred sheep and loses one of them. Does he not leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go after the lost sheep until he finds it? 5And when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders 6and goes home. Then he calls his friends and neighbors together and says, 'Rejoice with me; I have found my lost sheep.' 7I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.
Granted Jesus speaks of repentance in this parable, but notice how he indicates that the Shepard will pressure that one lost sheep. The question still might remain however, can we me so lost after accepting Christ that Christ can’t find us? NO.
In Romans 8:36-40 (New International Version) We get a big answer to this question.
36As it is written:
"For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered." 37No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

I understand your trouble with the idea/Doctrine of Once Saved, Always saved. A lot of people believe in God and the idea of salvation, but the question is; are they saved? Truly saved? In Faith? …remember it takes faith?
I think there are two types of faith, said faith and real faith. You can not be saved with said faith. Said faith is the kind of faith that is false, but often times those with it don’t even know. They want to believe. They say they believe. They dress the part. They belong to a church. They go to the functions …but something is missing…..Real faith.
This is the problem many have encountered with OSAS, but it’s not OSAS, it’s them. They don’t have true faith only said faith. God is still trying to reach them, but they have not accepted …..How do we know? NO FRIUT! No change. They exist where they stand not trusting in Christ to actually lead their lives. They claim to, but that’s it. OSAS does not seem to fit them at all, and you know what. That’s correct because they are not saved. They have not accepted…….But, for those who have OSAS works just fine. Is the problem OSAS or them? It’s not OSAS because OSAS backs up what Christ says about those who are saved. Our God is too big for it to be anything less. He says so.
OSAS works for you. You have not intention of straying, but God says he will pursue you. He will go after you. You need him and he knows this.
Earlier we established that the bible is the infallible word of God and that there are no contradictions. We agreed, So if that is true then why would God say one thing about the saved in part of the bible and contradict himself in another? He does not because many of the verses we discussed where it seems as is he speaks to the saved, he is speaking to those of said faith; those who’ve yet to accept. There are also other historical contexts to those scriptures as well, but for the most part it is to and about the unsure.

What man who has accepted salvation knowing nothing less of it’s power in his life; who calls himself saved and born again would loose it? Further, what man thinks he’s so powerful as a man that he could keep it on his own doing? None. None who are saved and therefore once we have accepted it, we can not loose it. We may damage or neglect out communion with God, bit we can not separate our union with God. He says so…and that is great news.

 

[shad]

so,then you wont call the cops if you are being robbed and and your family hurt.

You dont seem to understand what Jesus says. He says to let the dead (secular world) bury their own dead. Let them handle their own problems. Yes, I call cops and let them handle their own people.

this nitpicking i am doing is to get a straight answer,

The answer's there. You can find for yourself because your questions are not so difficult to find, but you dont want the truth. You are twisting around the Bible to suit your own desires. That's why I am saying you are wasting your time and mine.

You don't like Jesus' message of "love your enemy". That's what this is all about.

 

[jasoncran]

so,then you wont call the cops if you are being robbed and and your family hurt.

You dont seem to understand what Jesus says. He says to let the dead (secular world) bury their own dead. Let them handle their own problems. Yes, I call cops and let them handle their own people.
so then how does that make you not guilty of sin? if a cop is needed to stop your enemy and kills him.you aren sinning?

this nitpicking i am doing is to get a straight answer,

The answer's there. You can find for yourself because your questions are not so difficult to find, but you dont want the truth. You are twisting around the Bible to suit your own desires. That's why I am saying you are wasting your time and mine.

You don't like Jesus' message of "love your enemy". That's what this is all about.

negative, buddy. i do like it but no how you interpret that, you say that you can call the cops and be clean of killing the guy who tried to kill you. how. if a cop is defending you and kills your enemy for you that is no different than you doing it as that was an act of self-defense, shad.


is said rapist your enemy, what does one enemies do shad.

cause harm, lie against you and etc.


hmmm

 

[watchman F]

Good so far. I just have a couple more questions I need to ask then I hope to shed some light on a few things that I think you’ll find interesting to ponder.

The bible is the infallible word of God; True or False?

There are no contradictions in the word of God; True or False?

I know your answers, but humor me. I will look for your response tonight when I have more time and get back to you.

both are true

Ok. So we agree Jesus died on the cross as a perfect sacrifice for the sins of mankind. We receive our salvation by accepting Jesus in faith. Faith is well described by “arunangelo’ had to say about perfect love and overcoming fear. I think with that description of faith we can do anything.

Christ even illustrated faith and it’s power when he said in Matthew 17:20 (New International Version)
20He replied, "Because you have so little faith. I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you."
That’s the type of faith I think we can agree that we have in our Lord Jesus Christ and that is the type of faith we apply to accepting him which in turn we gain our salvation.

Now, I am saved (born again) I think you indicated you are also. So, we possess this faith. We are saved. We are like the sheep of Christ and he, our Shepard. Jesus illustrates this in John 10:27 (New International Version)
27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.
You and I, watchman are those sheep. We listen and we know our Shepard’s voice and we follow him. How much then do we belong to him?
If we read further in John 10 we get a BIG clue to that question. John 10:27-30 (New International Version)
27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. 30I and the Father are one."
Jesus say he give his sheep eternal life. Those sheep are you and I as saved Christians. Saved Christians follow Christ, we know his voice. Look further also that Jesus speaks of just how much we do belong to him and that NO ONE can snatch us out of his hand. No one can steal us away from our Shepard.
But, what is we stray away either by choice or we just wander? Will we still belong to Christ? Will he pursue us? We get a good clue to this answer in Luke 15:3-7 (New International Version)
3Then Jesus told them this parable: 4"Suppose one of you has a hundred sheep and loses one of them. Does he not leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go after the lost sheep until he finds it? 5And when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders 6and goes home. Then he calls his friends and neighbors together and says, 'Rejoice with me; I have found my lost sheep.' 7I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.
Granted Jesus speaks of repentance in this parable, but notice how he indicates that the Shepard will pressure that one lost sheep. The question still might remain however, can we me so lost after accepting Christ that Christ can’t find us? NO.
In Romans 8:36-40 (New International Version) We get a big answer to this question.
36As it is written:
"For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered." 37No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

I understand your trouble with the idea/Doctrine of Once Saved, Always saved. A lot of people believe in God and the idea of salvation, but the question is; are they saved? Truly saved? In Faith? …remember it takes faith?
I think there are two types of faith, said faith and real faith. You can not be saved with said faith. Said faith is the kind of faith that is false, but often times those with it don’t even know. They want to believe. They say they believe. They dress the part. They belong to a church. They go to the functions …but something is missing…..Real faith.
This is the problem many have encountered with OSAS, but it’s not OSAS, it’s them. They don’t have true faith only said faith. God is still trying to reach them, but they have not accepted …..How do we know? NO FRIUT! No change. They exist where they stand not trusting in Christ to actually lead their lives. They claim to, but that’s it. OSAS does not seem to fit them at all, and you know what. That’s correct because they are not saved. They have not accepted…….But, for those who have OSAS works just fine. Is the problem OSAS or them? It’s not OSAS because OSAS backs up what Christ says about those who are saved. Our God is too big for it to be anything less. He says so.
OSAS works for you. You have not intention of straying, but God says he will pursue you. He will go after you. You need him and he knows this.
Earlier we established that the bible is the infallible word of God and that there are no contradictions. We agreed, So if that is true then why would God say one thing about the saved in part of the bible and contradict himself in another? He does not because many of the verses we discussed where it seems as is he speaks to the saved, he is speaking to those of said faith; those who’ve yet to accept. There are also other historical contexts to those scriptures as well, but for the most part it is to and about the unsure.

What man who has accepted salvation knowing nothing less of it’s power in his life; who calls himself saved and born again would loose it? Further, what man thinks he’s so powerful as a man that he could keep it on his own doing? None. None who are saved and therefore once we have accepted it, we can not loose it. We may damage or neglect out communion with God, bit we can not separate our union with God. He says so…and that is great news.

I am responding to the emboldened part....I simply disagree. I do agree that most people who say they are saved are not, and almost all who leave the faith were not saved in the first place. However i do believe that someone who is truly been reborn can fall away, and i believe scripture teaches us that they can. Paul himself did not consider himself eternally secure until the end.

1st Corinthians 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Paul knew it was possible to fall away, he knew it was possible for him to fall away.

1st Corinthians 10:12 Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.

 

[shad]

negative, buddy. i do like it but no how you interpret that, you say that you can call the cops and be clean of killing the guy who tried to kill you. how. if a cop is defending you and kills your enemy for you that is no different than you doing it as that was an act of self-defense, shad.


is said rapist your enemy, what does one enemies do shad.

cause harm, lie against you and etc.


hmmm

Suit yourself, we will find out who is deceiving themselves and others soon enough. You are gambling with your soul.

Take care.

 

[Danus]

I am responding to the emboldened part....I simply disagree. I do agree that most people who say they are saved are not, and almost all who leave the faith were not saved in the first place. However i do believe that someone who is truly been reborn can fall away, and i believe scripture teaches us that they can. Paul himself did not consider himself eternally secure until the end.

1st Corinthians 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Paul knew it was possible to fall away, he knew it was possible for him to fall away.

1st Corinthians 10:12 Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.

And would God then not pursue them? He says no one can snatch them. He says nothing can separate them. That would then be a contradiction. Also, how them might we keep our salvation if we can't even earn it? ...We said earlier that we get it by faith. Would you not say we keep it in the same way?

 

[jasoncran]

negative, buddy. i do like it but no how you interpret that, you say that you can call the cops and be clean of killing the guy who tried to kill you. how. if a cop is defending you and kills your enemy for you that is no different than you doing it as that was an act of self-defense, shad.


is said rapist your enemy, what does one enemies do shad.

cause harm, lie against you and etc.


hmmm

please, shad. to be blunt, you cant even control your temper here at times. i have seen it. and if you got in that deadly situation them hands will find their mark.

be real, i have my temper as well but, wanna know something, i have never to this day taken life. not even in my tour of duty. and glady so.


i have been known not to stand up for myself and allowe others to use and abuse me. and i have talked my way out of some situations that i put myself in, or found myself in.

Suit yourself, we will find out who is deceiving themselves and others soon enough. You are gambling with your soul.

Take care.

 

[shad]

Jason,

Here is reminder again and again from Jesus; if you claim to love Jesus, honor it instead of making excuses to dishonor with your actions.

38"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.'[g] 39But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. 41If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
Love for Enemies
43"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor[h] and hate your enemy.' 44But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Matt4:38-48

 

[Mysteryman]

Jason,

Here is reminder again and again from Jesus; if you claim to love Jesus, honor it instead of making excuses to dishonor with your actions.

38"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.'[g] 39But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. 41If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
Love for Enemies
43"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor[h] and hate your enemy.' 44But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Matt4:38-48

Hi Shad

I am going to attempt to shed some light here. I will first start with a question, and see where it goes from there.

Shad -- When it speaks of your enemies here, could you be specific in explaining what you believe your enemies are ?

 

[shad]

Shad -- When it speaks of your enemies here, could you be specific in explaining what you believe your enemies are ?

It applies to many things. I bring the military because it is accepted by mainstream churches as biblical practice for His followers. And I believe it is the most sinful practice as a whole. The military is nothing but politically correct practice, that's the main reason why it is accepted for popularity seeking churches, IMO.

 

[watchman F]

I am responding to the emboldened part....I simply disagree. I do agree that most people who say they are saved are not, and almost all who leave the faith were not saved in the first place. However i do believe that someone who is truly been reborn can fall away, and i believe scripture teaches us that they can. Paul himself did not consider himself eternally secure until the end.

1st Corinthians 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Paul knew it was possible to fall away, he knew it was possible for him to fall away.

1st Corinthians 10:12 Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.

And would God then not pursue them? He says no one can snatch them. He says nothing can separate them. That would then be a contradiction. Also, how them might we keep our salvation if we can't even earn it? ...We said earlier that we get it by faith. Would you not say we keep it in the same way?

It contradicts your understanding. There really is no contradiction. No one can remove us from His hand that doesn't mean we hold us against our will. also it says nothing can separate us from His love. Just because He loves us doesn't mean we cannot reject him and our rejecting Him and choosing Hell doesn't mean He will stop loving us. We may not earn our salvation but we must receive it, and once we receive we do not have to keep it if we no longer want it. Yes we keep our salvation through faith but scripture tells us we can be moved away from our faith.

Colossians 1
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;