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Addiction?

Boidae21 said:
This isn't to take away from your post as it's a good post. I only wanted to say that not all of us hear God speak to us or feel (lack of a better word) Him comfort us. I know that I never have. As much as I want to hear Him or feel (again lack of a better word) Him comfort me, I never have and it's not for a lack of trying.

I have prayed for that feeling of comfort, prayed to hear Him speak to me, but never have I had either happen.

So I guess my question becomes, are there Christians, good Christians that never hear from the Lord?
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It wasn't until I was silent long enough to hear Him speak to me. Many times we put our desperation's before the Lord and cry out to Him and after we cry out we get up and go about our business instead of being patient long enough to hear Him speak to our heart. Psalms 46:10
 
for_his_glory said:
It wasn't until I was silent long enough to hear Him speak to me. Many times we put our desperation's before the Lord and cry out to Him and after we cry out we get up and go about our business instead of being patient long enough to hear Him speak to our heart. Psalms 46:10
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I have done this when I have had the time to listen for the most part, not even then do I hear him.

I am not going to do it 5 minutes before I leave for work, that's for sure.

How long are we supposed to wait before going about our business? A few hours? Days?

Please do not say till you hear from him because that may not be possible every time as it could be days before a response.

I am sorry if it seems I am being confrontational, I'm not trying to be. I was never discipled so, basic questions like these I have had to either figure out on my own and have them corrected or I would ask and receive a myriad of questions and have them corrected.
 
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for_his_glory said:
It wasn't until I was silent long enough to hear Him speak to me. Many times we put our desperation's before the Lord and cry out to Him and after we cry out we get up and go about our business instead of being patient long enough to hear Him speak to our heart. Psalms 46:10
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So true, so true. I am guilty of that.

The times I have heard from the Lord is when I have put everything aside. Turned off the off the phone, put the remote away and shut myself away. Sitting in complete silence, just me and God
 
Revelation 3:20
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

There is a corporate message to the churches, and there is a personal inner relationship available.

We often hear of the corporate message, but the inner close relationship is questioned by some. Of course we must realize there are several voices, and we depend on knowing His voice.

eddif
 
Jethro Bodine said:
If sin has no bearing on salvation then why did the immoral fellow at Corinth have to be turned over to the destruction of the flesh in order to be saved?

I've lost my patience with everybody saying Christianity is a license to sin with impunity. I empathize with everyone who struggles with a sinful addiction. Note, I said 'struggles' with an addiction. But I'm really put off by Christians who think they can accept their sin and put up no struggle with it because they've rationalized in their minds that it doesn't matter in the long run if they willfully sin in this age. I'm not angry at their sin. I know about sin all too well myself. What I'm angry at is this widespread movement in the church today that has rationalized away sin because they say it has no bearing on salvation.

If a person is caught up in a sinful addiction because of a denial of Christ they most certainly will be denied by Christ at the resurrection. Let's all reread KevinK 's post and remember what Christ has saved us from, and out of thankfulness and fear for what God has done for us mount a determined resistance to stop accepting sin as a way of life and receive the grace God has provided for us to be the new creations he says we really are. The grace of God was given to us to get out of sin, not continue to live in it with impunity as so many Christians think these days:

"11 For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. 12 It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age,13 while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good." (Titus 2:11-14 NASB)

What I see in the church today is this horrible teaching spreading like gangrene that says the grace of God teaches us to say 'yes' to sin because there's nothing you can do about it anyway, and it doesn't have anything to do with your salvation anyway, not knowing who they've become in Christ and that sin most certainly does have something to do with your salvation. Ask the immoral fellow at Corinth who had to be turned over to the destruction of the flesh and brought to repentance so he could be saved.
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Not what I said or intended.

I wasn't suggesting licensed sin. Not hardly.

And some sins lead to death. Not ever acceptable.

Just because you want to hear something phrased exactly how you want to hear it doesn't command me to say it that way.

And if you ask instead of rant I can explain myself.
 
This is getting kind of heated. I think we can all agree that there is a physical component to addiction and it can be a struggle for many people. At the same time, The Lord expects His children to put aside their/our wicked ways and lead lives that are pleasing to Him and that glorify Christ who saved us.

My own problem with addiction=brain disease is that the medical/therapeutic model hasn't given us much in the way of results. For all the $$$$ spent on research and treatment, we have a growing drug problem in the US (street and Rx) and the medical establishment's mantra seems to be more tolerance and more $$$.
 
Wrg1405 said:
So true, so true. I am guilty of that.

The times I have heard from the Lord is when I have put everything aside. Turned off the off the phone, put the remote away and shut myself away. Sitting in complete silence, just me and God
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It's amazing what God has to say to us when we give Him a chance. All I know when I cried out to God it was daylight and when I finally got up it was dark outside so I laid there for a few hours. Best moment of my life.
 
Boidae21 said:
I have done this when I have had the time to listen for the most part, not even then do I hear him.

I am not going to do it 5 minutes before I leave for work, that's for sure.

How long are we supposed to wait before going about our business? A few hours? Days?

Please do not say till you hear from him because that may not be possible every time as it could be days before a response.

I am sorry if it seems I am being confrontational, I'm not trying to be. I was never discipled so, basic questions like these I have had to either figure out on my own and have them corrected or I would ask and receive a myriad of questions and have them corrected.
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You are not being confrontational by any means as it can be frustrating when one hears God, but another doesn't. I use to think God just didn't care. Actually you might have answered your own question as you said I quote you: "I have done this when I have had the time to listen for the most part." Do we limit God according to the time we give Him or are we limited by the time we give Him. No one taught me to be still as it was just a part of that moment that made me still and then I heard the Holy Spirit speak to me. In my case it was audible where in other cases it's just a calm presence that feels like a warm blanket covering me. Each one has their own experience hearing in whatever way God wants us to hear Him.

There are also factors that keep us from hearing God. No faith or just weak faith, doubt and having unforgiveness for others who have wronged us. Examine yourself and see if there are any of these hindrances and be honest with yourself.

Mark 11:22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
Mark 11:23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
Mark 11:24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
Mark 11:25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
Mark 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.
 
Boidae21 said:
So I guess my question becomes, are there Christians, good Christians that never hear from the Lord?
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There's so much talk about *hearing voices* these days that Christians forget one very simply and fundamental truth -- each time you open your Bible, you hear from the Lord. And each time you are inwardly prompted to act according to the Word, you hear from the Lord. So don't worry if no voices come to you. Just sit down with the Bible and hear what God has to say.

But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. (Mt 4:4).
 
In all this talk about physical addition being an ailment, we seem to have forgotten what is written in the Word about how to deal with it -- go to the elders of the church and ask for the prayer of faith for healing (James 5:13-16). IOW there is a spiritual remedy.

Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms. Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
 
Many years ago i was whining to mom ... About God talking to so ans so and not ME.. I was going on and on.. naming things i knew God had done for family and friends.. WHY DOES'NT HE TALK TO ME ? :cries mom with the wisdom of raising 5 kids says "Reba shut up and listen.. "
 
Jethro Bodine said:
...What I see in the church today is this horrible teaching spreading like gangrene that says the grace of God teaches us to say 'yes' to sin because there's nothing you can do about it anyway...
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I must really live in a unique part of the world. I keep hearing people on this forum talking about this "license to sin" idea that I'm told has taken over all the churches but yet I've never heard this kind of thing said or taught in any way in any church I've been in as a member, frequent visitor, or just a guest. I've never even run into an individual Christian who said or even hinted or acted like they believed this. One church I attend frequently is pastored by a personal friend who is a very strong "grace preacher" (his description), has 3 published books on grace, and has made grace the main focus of his entire ministry yet even he doesn't teach anything close to this acceptance of sin that I keep being told on these forums is so wide spread these days. In fact one Sunday he dedicated an entire sermon to strongly preaching against this very thing. I guess I just live in a really unique area with the only people left in the world who don't follow this "license to sin" idea.
 
Revelation 3:1
And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

When you send for the elders, you hope to get those that are effective in the ministry and not those who have a name for life, but are dead.

Lately I seem to find Gods folks in groups that others think are dead. Right in the center of supposed heretics are the most humble / scripturally knowledgable / anointed people. I can not use my carnal mind to find the right person, and my jaw hits my knees when God's anointed shows up.

eddif
 
Obadiah said:
I must really live in a unique part of the world. I keep hearing people on this forum talking about this "license to sin" idea that I'm told has taken over all the churches but yet I've never heard this kind of thing said or taught in any way in any church I've been in as a member, frequent visitor, or just a guest. I've never even run into an individual Christian who said or even hinted or acted like they believed this. One church I attend frequently is pastored by a personal friend who is a very strong "grace preacher" (his description), has 3 published books on grace, and has made grace the main focus of his entire ministry yet even he doesn't teach anything close to this acceptance of sin that I keep being told on these forums is so wide spread these days. In fact one Sunday he dedicated an entire sermon to strongly preaching against this very thing. I guess I just live in a really unique area with the only people left in the world who don't follow this "license to sin" idea.
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I have only ever met one. To be fair they are not like that now.
 
JohnDB said:
No one who is saved is without sin. John said so. Peter sinned and had to repent after Paul took him to task. We can't help it. Just a part of who we are.
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We all know this.
The problem is Christians don't know when their sin really does have an affect on their salvation. It's been ground into them so deeply that salvation is so utterly by faith alone that there is nothing you can do to lose your salvation.....not even unbelief.
 
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