Aliens are fallen angels?

[lynx]

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3. Are angels physical beings?

As for the issue of angels being physical beings, the fact of the matter is, some angels can assume a physical form as we might define physical. It may even be the natural state of some of them. In scripture, we find angels performing many tasks that require physical bodies. For an example, examine the angels that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah in Genesis 19:1-3 that I just previously mentioned.

Genesis 19:1-3

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And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground; 2And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant’s house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night. 3And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.



In order to talk with Lot like a normal person, eat food, and grab and pull Lot’s arm on two occasions, (later in the same chapter), they had to be physical entities.

There are two extreme examples of angels performing activities that make it very difficult to refute their physical nature. The first example is when Jacob, patriarch of the Old Testament, even wrestled with an angel (Genesis 32:24-30, also referred to in Hosea 12:2-4).

Genesis 32:24-30

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And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day. 25And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob’s thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him. 26And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me. 27And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. 28And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. 29And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there. 30And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.



Hosea 2:2-4

2The LORD hath also a controversy with Judah, and will punish Jacob according to his ways; according to his doings will he recompense him. 3He took his brother by the heel in the womb, and by his strength he had power with God: 4Yea, he had power over the angel, and prevailed.



The other extreme example is found in Genesis chapter 6 and is also referred to in Jude 1:6, and 2 Peter 2:4. This second example will be the primary focus of this chapter.

Genesis 6:1-13

1And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. 5And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. 8But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. 9These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God. 10And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth. 11The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. 13And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.



Jude 1:6

6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 7Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.



2 Peter 2:4-6

4For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;



This example in Genesis 6 opens Pandora’s Box, and warrants an extended discussion. It refers to angels that sinned, inbreeding with humans! They not only had sex with human women, but bore offspring, which is an indication that they were physical by nature. It is possible that the Sons of God are angels that assumed physical form, and were able to mate – I won’t rule this out. I just think it’s more likely that they are physical by nature, and I will explain why before this chapter is through.

Here again, we see a distinction. The word angel denotes that there are different types of angels that could be spoken of. In this instance, it should be assumed that humans weren’t mating with 4 headed, 6 winged Seraphim angels, that are described by Ezekiel as having eyes everywhere, and are surrounded by balls of fire and bolts of lighting. (Any attempt would probably result in death!) The angels that sinned, mating with humans, were obviously humanoid, and genetically very closely related to earth humans, because they were capable of producing offspring with them.

Why would angels go through all the trouble to assume a temporary physical form capable of the vast complex ability of reproduction that could result in offspring? Assuming temporary physical forms that could perform rudimentary tasks is one thing; androids could do such. But reproduction is far more complex than eating, talking, and making physical contact with people. Reproduction is serious – biological physical contact!

3.1 The Sethite theory:


Many theologians of relatively recent times have had great difficulty in accepting the possibility that an angel can mate with a human being, and bear offspring. (Strange that the secular media would accept it, while theologians generally scoff at it. In movies such a Michael, and City of Angels – this phenomenon is portrayed, yet sadly it’s cast in a deceptive light. Both these moves glorify this satanic activity).

Following is an excerpt taken from my NIV Study Bible commentary notes concerning Genesis chapter 6:


"The "Sons of God" has been interpreted here (Genesis 6) to refer either to angels or to human beings. In such places as Job 1:6, 2:1, it refers to angels, and perhaps also in Psalms 29:1 (where it’s translated "mighty ones"). Some interpreters also appeal to Jude 1:6-7 (as well as to Jewish literature) in referring the phrase here to angels.

Others, however, maintain that intermarriage and cohabitation between angels and human beings, though commonly mentioned in ancient mythologies, are surely excluded by the very nature of the created order (Mark 12:25). Elsewhere, expressions equivalent to "Sons of God" often refer to human beings, though in contexts quite different from the present one (see Deuteronomy 14:1, 32:5; Psalms 73:15; Isaiah 43:6; Hosea 1:10, 11:1; Luke 3:38; 1 John 3:1-2, 10.) Sons of God, possibly refers to godly men, and "Daughters of men" to sinful women (significantly, they are not called "Daughters of God", probably from the wicked line of Cain. If so, the context suggests that Genesis 6:1-2 describe the intermarriage of the Sethites ("Sons of God") of Genesis chapter 5 with the Cainites ("Daughters of men") of Genesis chapter 4, indicating a breakdown in the separation of the two groups.

Another plausible suggestion is that the "Sons of God" refers to royal figures (Kings were closely associated with gods in the ancient Near East) who proudly perpetuated and aggravated the corrupt life-style of Lamech son of Cain (virtually a royal figure) and established for themselves royal harems.
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If the Sons of God in Genesis 6 are not angels, then it’s easier for most people to accept, but the argument in favor of the Sons of God being angels is more credible in my opinion. Most biblical evidence, I have discovered, points to the Sons of God in Genesis 6 being angels."

 

[lynx]

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3.2 The Sons of God – angels:

Indeed, even though the context of the phrase Sons of God as mentioned in Genesis and Job indicates angels, many have considered this possibility far fetched, because it’s too weird of an interpretation. There are also some apparent conflicts. Can angels have sex?!? To say "No" seems to contradict Genesis 6. To say "Yes" seems to contradict Matthew 22:30, Mark 12:25, and Luke 20:34-46 (Angels don’t marry, nor are given in marriage).

Does the Sethite theory resolve this contradiction? No, instead, it raises more problems than it attempts to resolve.

As previously mentioned, the Sethite theory suggests that descendents from the godly line of Seth, (third son of Adam), mated with descendents from the wicked line of Cain. Does this explain why their offspring were Nephilim (giants), genetic monstrosities of nature? No, it doesn’t. Now if one were to ardently hold to the Sethite theory, it could be expounded upon to suggest that the Nephilim (giants) were aberrations because they were the products of offspring between glorified humans of the line of Seth, and sinful, less-glorified humans of the line of Cain. So the origin of giants might be explained as an anomaly created by differences in glory, but now on to argument number two.

The Sons of God are sinning heavily in mating with the daughters of men, in so much that they were cast down and imprisoned in darkness and awaiting judgement. Scripture doesn’t state that they were committing adultery, or fornicating outside the confines of marriage. Why was it such a sin for descendents of the line of Seth to intermarry with descendents of the line of Cain? Nowhere in scripture is any such sanction imposed upon the line of Seth. God declared that Israelites shouldn’t intermarry with non-Israelites, and this was mentioned several places in scripture, because of its vast importance in Israel’s commitment to God. If this distinction was made for the Israelites, and was emphasized so many times in scripture, why would a similar sanction on the line of Seth be completely absent from scripture?

Going further, why would the children of such a godly line, the line of Seth, be inherently evil, as were these giants, the Nephilim? One would think that something better would come of the offspring of the glorified Sons of God, at least by random chance. After all, at least one parent was from a glorified line. Why were all their progeny evil?

Saving the best argument for last, I’ve discovered that it’s basically impossible for the Sethite theory to be true, because of a logical error. In the flood of Noah, according to the Sethite theory, all the Cainites were killed. This can be assumed for two reasons. First of all, God blessed Noah and his children in Genesis 9:1.

Genesis 9:1

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And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.



If Noah, Shem, Ham, or Japeth, had any wife descending from the line of Cain – holding to the Sethite theory – they would’ve been cursed by God, not blessed! (Note that the Sons of God that sinned were cast down into hell and awaiting judgement (Jude 1:1-6, 2 Peter 2:4-6)).

Secondly, from the direct descendents of Noah’s three sons, no Nephilim (giants) are ever mentioned in his lineage – until after many generations. God had no intention of continuing the existence of evil giants in the earth. He wanted the earth to begin with a blessing – refreshed, pure, and holy. Where were these giants coming from, if not from Noah’s family?


If God purified the earth, and all the descendents from the line of Cain were destroyed in the flood of Noah, then how did the Nephilim get back into the earth after the flood? For Genesis 6:4 clearly states that the Sons of God continued mating with the daughters of men, and bearing offspring that were giants, even after the flood. It should therefore become apparent that the Sethite theory is impossible, because Sethites couldn’t have been mating with Cainites, if there were no Cainites!

With all these strikes against the Sethite theory, I find the explanation of the Sons of God being angels to be much more plausible than their being glorified descendents from the line of Seth.

But if the Sons of God were angels, the question still remains: How could it be, that angels can have sex?!? I will answer this question, but before I do, I will first provide more evidence in support of the Sons of God being angels.

Evidence supporting that the angels that sinned were physical by nature – and were in fact angels – can be uncovered by analyzing their offspring, the "Nephilim", also referred to as "Rapha", or "Rephaim", which were giants. References to these half-breeds are found in scripture wherever the word giant appears. (Nephilim: Genesis 6:4; Numbers 13:33; Rapha, also translated Rephaim: Deuteronomy 2:11, 2:20, 3:11, 3:13; Joshua 12:4, 13:12, 15:8, 17:15, 18:16; 2 Samuel 21:16, 21:18, 21:20, 21:22; and 1 Chronicles 20:4, 20:6, and 20:8).

Why weren’t these offspring normal humans? This can be attributed to two factors. First of all, their parents might be genetically different species of humanoids, i.e., like the slight difference between a horse and a donkey – which when mated together, produce the mutated sterile offspring of mules. Goliath, for instance, the well famed giant smote by King David, was not only a giant, but was also noted as having six fingers on both hands, and six toes on both feet (2 Samuel 21:20). Does this not sound like a genetic mutation anomaly?

Secondly, the level of glory of the angels that sinned sexually with humans was higher than humanities, which might be responsible for supernatural anomalies. Consider that scripture states there were legends concerning these entities. The offspring of the gods, (i.e., found in Greek mythos, and Indian (Vedas), Native American (Anazasi, Hopi, Navajo), and Chinese records) 3, were often reported to have supernatural powers, which is probably why they were legendary, and even worshiped in some cases.

Personally, I believe these genetic monstrosities were a combination of both genetic, and glorified differences between the angels that sinned, and the humans of earth. Concerning their power and dominance, I think they were genetically designed to conquer the world. The Sons of God may have genetically manipulated themselves in experiments to plan out their offspring to have the most dominant, powerful traits as possible. I will return to this theme after providing more background information.

Before I delve into Genesis 6 any further, I would like to point out the fact that I’ve crossed two definitional boundaries. The first boundary I crossed was with Jacob, and his wrestling match with an angel. Genesis calls this entity a "Man", but Hosea refers to the entity that wrestled with Jacob as an angel. As for Jacob himself, he thought the Man was God. Exactly who was this mysterious figure? He may have been one of the race of humanoid angels I’ve been discussing – (Sons of God), but not a sinful one, obviously. He was the one that dubbed Jacob – Israel. In reality, nobody really knows who He was, and He didn’t want anyone to know either, because He refused to tell Jacob what His name was. With all this put before us, the liberal definition of angel is sufficient, because we know that this entity was not merely a man, judging from the supernatural power he exhibited, and that he had the authority to rename Jacob to Israel. I suspect he was the pre-incarnate Jesus, because it has always been his characteristic to rename His chosen, but that’s just my own opinion.

Also, the second definitional boundary I crossed was the Sons of God. As I have already argued, the Sons of God can be interpreted as angels in several passages of scripture. Again, these are angelic beings that are described, and sometimes even mistaken for being male humans."

 

[lynx]

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3.3 The link between the flood, and Sodom and Gomorrah:

If the connection is made that the Sons of God that mated with humans were in fact angels, then it should be clear that both the references in Jude and Peter I previously alluded to were concerning these Sons of God that sinned.

When reading these two passages of scripture – Jude 1:6-7, and 2 Peter 2:4 – both references are linked with the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. Jude mentions that the Sodomites gave themselves over to strange flesh. This term, in Greek: "heteros", {ajlloiovw}, is translated as "Other".4 Is this not revealing? Going further into this event, let’s now look at why Sodom and Gomorrah are specifically linked to these angels that sinned, spoken of by Peter, and Jude. In Genesis, let me pull out two passages of scripture for analysis.

Genesis 18:20-22

20And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; 21I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know. 22And the men (angels) turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.

Genesis 19:4-9

4But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: 5And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know (uh… my paraphrase – have sex with) them. 6And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, 7And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. 8Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof. 9And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.



So what we find here is that Sodom and Gomorrah are so incredibly evil, God can’t stand it anymore. Is this really the case? God personally sends his two angels to destroy it. Why? When I look at the cities of today, like Los Angeles, and New York, I wonder why God hasn’t obliterated them yet. The cities of today are full of wretched evil. Exactly what were Sodom and Gomorrah doing that was any worse than what we have today?

Delving deeper, what did God mean when He said, "I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it."? Dropping down to Genesis 19:4-9, we find just exactly what God was expecting. The people of Sodom and Gomorrah saw two angels enter the city, and were so enthralled with wanting to rape them, they didn’t even care about Lot’s virgin daughters he offered them in exchange! (It could be – conjecture here – just as found in Greek mythology, mating with these beings was possibly pleasurable beyond what we know sex to be.)

This sexual immorality is possibly what God was expecting – and this is why Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed. Sodom and Gomorrah were a haven of sexual immorality, even that between fallen-angels and humans.

3.4 Why Noah?


The sexual immorality found in Sodom and Gomorrah is the same as that found in Genesis 6, and was probably what spawned the flood of Noah. When God destroyed the entire world in the flood of Noah, it was because of the angels that sinned. When the Sons of God started mating with the daughters of men at that time, afterwards the earth was filled with evil giants. These corrupt beings dominated the planet, and were the reason that God was sorry He ever made man.

But scripture states that Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord, and that Noah was just and walked with God, and was perfect in his generations. The grace that Noah found in the eyes of the Lord, I think, is speaking about Noah’s perception of the eyes of God. As for being just, and walking with God – well, Noah was a pretty great guy! But what does perfect in his generations refer to? The word "Perfect", translates to "tamiym"{!ymiT;}}, which means "Without Blemish". 5, 6 Noah, genetically speaking, was a pure-strain human, not some half-breed superhero giant.

Genesis 6:8-9

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But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. 9These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.



What I think was really was going on in these days was Satan’s plan of attack to prevent the birth of the Messiah. Jesus couldn’t have been born from a corrupt line of fallen angels. Jesus had to be born the Son of Man, and the Only Begotten Son of God. So to prevent Satan from corrupting the entire human race, God completely annihilated the whole world, because at that time, most of the entire human genetic structure, with the exception of Noah’s family, was polluted. Then, after the flood of Noah, God promised He would never destroy the world again. Note: He never promised He wouldn’t destroy any cities. Genesis 6:4 mentions that the Sons of God mating with humans didn’t end after the flood. The brief mention of "…in those days; and also after that", refers to the fact that the fallen angels, the Sons of God, continued to sin with the daughters of men, and with men in cases of homosexuality, as found in Sodom and Gomorrah, even after the flood.

God feels the same way now about this sin, as He did back then. Incidents after the flood continued to crop up, because a few races of giants are spoken of in scripture as existing in the world after the flood. They certainly weren’t the dominant force in the world the way they used to be. I think the reason why is because God dealt with the Nephilim, and the fallen angels mating with humans that produced them – like a disease. When incidents increased in particular areas, such as Sodom and Gomorrah, God stepped in and immediately exterminated them. Sodom and Gomorrah probably weren’t the only places God dealt His wrath in this manner either, because Jude 1:7 mentions that there were other cities – "7Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner…"

3.5 Alien abductions in prophesy:


This information about the Sons of God is very important, prophetically speaking. Why? Because these things are still going on today! Both Matthew 24:37, and Luke 17:26-30 quote Jesus as stating that the end times will be a return to the days of Noah. What typified the days of Noah? Fallen angels inbreeding with humans. Luke 17:26-30 especially points to this conclusion, because again, not only the days of Noah are mentioned, but Sodom and Gomorrah are mentioned as well.

Matthew 24:37

37But as the days of Noe (Noah) were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.


Luke 17:26-30

26And as it was in the days of Noe (Noah), so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

To briefly recap: Satan’s initial plan of attack was to pollute the seed of humanity, and prevent the birth of Christ. While doing so, He had his minions genetically develop a means of producing a master race of warriors; chaotic, and utterly evil. These beings would be capable, by brute force, of taking any women they chose, (which scripture indicates that they took any they chose), and killing all who would defy them. This plan almost worked for Satan, but then God had to come and mess everything up for him. (Thank God!)

Quickly after the flood, Satan began his plan again, but it just wasn’t working as good as it did before. God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, (and possibly other cities as well), then sent in Israel to destroy the rest of these giants, empowering his chosen humans, the Israelites, with His divine, supernatural power. Basically, these giants were wiped out.

Did Satan quit? Of course not! I think this is why most of the alien abductions going on these days deal with reproductive experiments. Anyone familiar with the field of genetics should be aware of the fact that a primary portion of this type of research involves many aspects of reproduction. Certainly, the gray bug-eyed creatures frequently reported to abduct people don’t want sperm and egg samples as desktop souvenirs. I likewise don’t imagine that the aliens that collect these samples are simply participating in some bizarre ritual relative to cow-tipping in Wisconsin. (Sounds like a Far-Side comic of a couple of aliens wearing T-shirts saying "Earth 2000, I was there", and pictured underneath the words are a couple of terrified humans having their… uh, let’s not go there.)

Anyway, these alien beings are obviously working on something other than giants. I think – they are working on several things. First of all, they would like to produce a human of superior intellect, and possibly supernatural power. Secondly, I think they are experimenting with cybernetics, trying to integrate the human consciousness into computer chips. (Imagine how attracted humanity would be to such technology?) Successive chapters in this book will elaborate upon these theories, so don’t worry. I’m not just throwing out these ideas, and leaving them sit there without any follow up.

I don’t think these gray bug-eyed alien abductors we see shows on TV about are the Sons of God. I believe the Sons of God are humanoid. But the gray creatures may be particularly knowledgeable in the field of genetics, and that’s why they are assigned to the task of genetic experimentation. (They were probably the ones that developed the means to produce giants.) They are most likely helping the Sons of God, because one among the Sons of God is a great leader among many of them, and many other species throughout all existence. In fact, he is a leader of a whopping one third the Hosts of Heaven! Uh, oops, getting ahead of myself. Sorry.

Concerning aliens in prophesy, best selling author Hal Lindsey believes as I do, that they have ties with the demonic. While his interpretation of the UFO/alien phenomenon is that aliens are simply earth-bound demons posing as entities from other worlds, he does believe that the UFO/alien phenomenon will play a part in the end-times scenario. He mentions several key relevant passages of scripture indicating this. I highly recommend his work, for anyone interested in prophesy.7 Chapter 4 of his book Planet Earth – 2000 A.D., is especially relevant to this chapter, the only exception being that his definition of aliens is different than mine.

All of this information I’ve given on the Sons of God appears to fit with scripture so far, but there is one very big detail I have still yet to answer. Saying that the Sons of God are angels, and did mate with humans, poses some apparent contradictions, because of Matthew 22:30, Mark 12:25, and Luke 20:34-36.

Matthew 22:30

30For in the resurrection they (people) neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.



Mark 12:25

25For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.



Luke 20:34-36.

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And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: 35But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection."

 

[westtexas]

This is the opening of the article:

"The concept of alien visitors from other worlds is an important issue in these times, because the notion that there exists life on other planets will confront many fundamental Christian beliefs. In the event that the existence of alien life becomes fact, new evidence will prompt questions as to the origin of life. Judging from the modern sociological perspective on the theories of origin, orthodox Christianity will suffer a tremendous dilemma.

The opening of the article is sound.

You believe this opening is sound? It's the same anti-biblical "theology" that is in the rest of the article. It is a veiled slap at Genesis 1 & 2. I'd like to hear about your theory of creation. Please tell me about the dilemma that orthodox Christianity will face.

 

[lynx]

Westtexas,

I saw it, I think it is a little too far fetch for he think satan may be human at one time. His explaination certainly interesting, but he also strongly said that it is just his personal opinion.

I certainly don't think so.

However, his other points of angels and aliens are pretty good. Angels can have physical forms, Satan’s initial plan of attack was to pollute the seed of humanity, and prevent the birth of Christ. That's why most of the alien abductions going on these days deal with reproductive experiments.....

You are right that be careful about this author, but he has very good opening though, he has good and sound points too. Can't deny his work totally.

 

[lynx]

You believe this opening is sound? It's the same anti-biblical "theology" that is in the rest of the article. It is a veiled slap at Genesis 1 & 2. I'd like to hear about your theory of creation. Please tell me about the dilemma that orthodox Christianity will face.

I don't think he agree those views, he is stating that when the aliens issue surface, Christians will face those challenges views.

And he also said this: "if alien life presents itself to the world, and it is proven that there is other life in outer space without a shadow of a doubt, scriptural research into this possibility would serve a valuable purpose. It would ground Christians with the knowledge that simply because there exists life on other planets doesn’t mean that the Christian paradigm is false. As I have previously noted, according to much of my research, the existence of aliens in outer space doesn’t refute scripture at all. In fact, scripture seems to indicate that there is, in fact, life in outer space."

 

[Tina]

I don't understand what's the big fuss here, but if the devil can appear as a ........



Serpent (Genesis 3:1) .............

Pig (Mark 5:13) ..............

Or, an angel of light (2 Cor 11:14) ...........

I don't see why it cannot masquerade to look like this .....

Boo !

 

[WIP]

There are no words as aliens in anywhere in the Bible. Can you expect the authors to use the modern word "alien" in their writing? They were trying to write something in their limited understanding in their language. When we try to look for answers, we try to look how they describe the angels and compare them to the aliens, to see if they are the same thing.

From KJV:

Ex:18:3: And her two sons; of which the name of the one was Gershom; for he said, I have been an alien in a strange land:
De:14:21: Ye shall not eat of any thing that dieth of itself: thou shalt give it unto the stranger that is in thy gates, that he may eat it; or thou mayest sell it unto an alien: for thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.
Job:19:15: They that dwell in mine house, and my maids, count me for a stranger: I am an alien in their sight.
Psalms:69:8: I am become a stranger unto my brethren, and an alien unto my mother's children.
Isa:61:5: And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers.
La:5:2: Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens.


Eph:2:12: That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Heb:11:34: Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.

 

[stovebolts]

StoveBolts,

Well, because I am keen to know the true answers, they can't be simply aliens without futher explanation. I need to know answer, espectailly from the Bible.

Look, how will Christians explain aliens to atheists when they say there are no God, it is man-made, there are just aliens up there? If I can not connect the alien and angels, I don't know how to explain it.

Lynx,

Somethings we will never be able to grasp the true answer until that day when the Lord himself will wipe every tear away.

The answers the Bible gives teaches us how to live as we were created to live as why we were created. Because of this, the Bible requires discipline and discernment as each trait that we already possess needs to continually grow.

Where we as people err when we read the Bible, is that we sometimes think that the Bible is some kind of a rule book with every answer. Tell me, does the Bible tell us to brush our teeth or how to brush our teeth? Of course not, but that does not mean it's not important for us to brush our teeth.

I use that example because I can see it is important for you to find these answers about aliens. From a biblical perspective, let us say for a moment that angels were aliens, well then, this is what you would need to know. Hebrews 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

You see, for the Hebrew writer it is not as important to make a case that Angels exist as it is how you should treat one. Likewise, the Bible teaches us more how to treat one another than anything else. And this brings me to your point about atheists.

First, I would caution your against seasoned atheists. Stay away from them, they will do you no good. Their destruction is by their own account and you should have no part in it. They will challenge your view of scripture and cause you to doubt. Remember, it is their ambition to strip you away from your faith, and if they can't do that, then it is to distract you from the real work God has called you to do.

In other words, you don't have to explain Aliens as Angels to appease an Atheist. As I told you earlier, I have a nephew who believes Jesus is an Alien and is now part of that whole hippie Bob Marley and Yah movement. It is all a distortion of scripture that tickles his imagination. We must be careful of this.

I guess what I'm trying to say Lynx, is how you say something is as important as what you say much of the time. There is enough to worry about and talk about each and every day and there is much work that needs to be done. You don't need to prove anything to somebody who is trying to rip your faith away from you and if they can get you to distort the bible the way they already have you running, I'm sure they are taking great joy in watching you play the fool. Some people never grow up, they are like kids on the playground and I'd ask you to see if what I say isn't true. Do they have you runnign in circles playing the fool for their own amusement? Don't waste your time with them.

Focus your life on living the way the Bible teaches us to live. Be a good person and do good deeds that God's name will be glorified.

Grace and Peace.

 

[lynx]

From KJV:

Ex:18:3: And her two sons; of which the name of the one was Gershom; for he said, I have been an alien in a strange land:
De:14:21: Ye shall not eat of any thing that dieth of itself: thou shalt give it unto the stranger that is in thy gates, that he may eat it; or thou mayest sell it unto an alien: for thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.
Job:19:15: They that dwell in mine house, and my maids, count me for a stranger: I am an alien in their sight.
Psalms:69:8: I am become a stranger unto my brethren, and an alien unto my mother's children.
Isa:61:5: And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers.
La:5:2: Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens.


Eph:2:12: That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Heb:11:34: Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.

Okay, Bible expert, I am impressed. There are many alien words in the Bible, but which one mean space aliens?

 

[lynx]

Lynx,

Somethings we will never be able to grasp the true answer until that day when the Lord himself will wipe every tear away.

Yes, I agree. But not the alien subject though.

The answers the Bible gives teaches us how to live as we were created to live as why we were created. Because of this, the Bible requires discipline and discernment as each trait that we already possess needs to continually grow.

Where we as people err when we read the Bible, is that we sometimes think that the Bible is some kind of a rule book with every answer. Tell me, does the Bible tell us to brush our teeth or how to brush our teeth? Of course not, but that does not mean it's not important for us to brush our teeth.

I use that example because I can see it is important for you to find these answers about aliens.

I appreciated your understanding, it's important to me.

From a biblical perspective, let us say for a moment that angels were aliens, well then, this is what you would need to know. Hebrews 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

You see, for the Hebrew writer it is not as important to make a case that Angels exist as it is how you should treat one. Likewise, the Bible teaches us more how to treat one another than anything else. And this brings me to your point about atheists.

First, I would caution your against seasoned atheists. Stay away from them, they will do you no good. Their destruction is by their own account and you should have no part in it. They will challenge your view of scripture and cause you to doubt. Remember, it is their ambition to strip you away from your faith, and if they can't do that, then it is to distract you from the real work God has called you to do.

Thank you again for your concern, I really do appreciated. However, I can't stay away from them, because I married one. I can tell you this, it is not easy, but not as bad as you think. I can influence him too, and I think I have more influence to him than he to me, I am strong and I have God with me, I am in a better position actually. One day he may become Christian, who knows.

In other words, you don't have to explain Aliens as Angels to appease an Atheist.

Not when you have one that close to you. and I don't do it to appease an atheist, I do it because I need to know too. The thing is that I see a problem to all Christians for now and in the future by living with an atheist. They will ask you the questions, they will challenge you, there are no escape, one way or another, now or later, we will have to answers the questions, even it is not for ourselves or close ones. We have to face them and they are at large. It is better for us to prepare now than later. And it is not like we can't reach the answers, we can. Research on the subject with scriptures will serve valuable purpose, the scriptures seems to indicate life in space.

As I told you earlier, I have a nephew who believes Jesus is an Alien and is now part of that whole hippie Bob Marley and Yah movement. It is all a distortion of scripture that tickles his imagination. We must be careful of this.

I agree. But I am strong, not everyone believe Jesus or angles as alien will become hippie. I am sorry to hear about your nephew. I hope he will come out of it.

I guess what I'm trying to say Lynx, is how you say something is as important as what you say much of the time. There is enough to worry about and talk about each and every day and there is much work that needs to be done. You don't need to prove anything to somebody who is trying to rip your faith away from you and if they can get you to distort the bible the way they already have you running, I'm sure they are taking great joy in watching you play the fool. Some people never grow up, they are like kids on the playground and I'd ask you to see if what I say isn't true. Do they have you runnign in circles playing the fool for their own amusement? Don't waste your time with them.

They are not ripping my faith, researching this subject only increase my faith and I didn't distort the bible. Let's leave it at that.
Time will tell.

Focus your life on living the way the Bible teaches us to live. Be a good person and do good deeds that God's name will be glorified.

Grace and Peace.

It is a good advices.

Grace and Peace

 

[westtexas]

Okay, Bible expert, I am impressed. There are many alien words in the Bible, but which one mean space aliens?

None of 'em

 

[Mike]

Linx,

I've followed along with your thread here, and you've had me concerned for you since its beginning. Brother, the internet is littered with all kinds of fringe, extremist thinkers. In today's cyber-world, this is how they rally the troops and create cults. Looking at the totality of scripture from Genesis to Revelation, one would be hard-pressed to see any logical conclusion that aliens are actually fallen angels. Anyone can take certain verses out of context to support an unbiblical theory. The good ones can convince others of his idea and establish a following.

I believe you need to somehow get to a point where you can honestly pray on this and ask the Lord to help you overcome this obsession. It most definitely is taking you way off track of what you should be focusing on, as Stovebolts said. From your POV, you are likely inclined to dismiss my statements as ignorant and uninformed, but that's where you can start the change. Just consider what virtually every other Christian on this Christian board has said. Give these responses a chance to prove themselves worthy instead of just dismissing them out of hand.

When people get pulled into conspiracy theories and spend time with like-minded people on the internet, their resolve strengthens, and they are less open to correction no matter how outlandish their adopted theories are. Bringing the Pope and other international figures into this suspicion of yours makes it a full-blown conspiracy, and you should know we do not permit Conspiracy Theories to carry on here on CFnet. We do have a statement which forbids them.

I doubt there is intelligent life on other planets, mainly because scripture points to our creation story as being central to His Purpose. But, I'm not dismissing that there could be. I'm extremely doubtful when I hear people say we've actually been visited by them. I'm not concerned enough to talk about it even if there is a sliver of possibility that they have. I know what is written in scripture, and I know where I will end up. My heart is set on Him, the Maker of the universe that He has given us for discovery and awe.

All that said, are aliens actually fallen angels? Not a single chance, IMHO, given what God has revealed to us in His Word.

 

[WIP]

Okay, Bible expert, I am impressed. There are many alien words in the Bible, but which one mean space aliens?

I apologize for offending you. That was not my intention.

 

[lynx]

I apologize for offending you. That was not my intention.

Na, you didn't offend me. I am not that diligent. I am a member of couple political forums, I am used to strong opinioned and straight forward exchange. In fact, I think that's how it affects my posts here. Many be I should be more caution here and use different style.....

I was impressed that you did find the scriptures so fast though, it only prove to me you are very familiar with the Bible, this is a good thing.

BTW, I spend a lot more time reading Chinese bible than the English one. It's a language barrier to me, I understand more in my first language.

 

[lynx]

Linx,

I've followed along with your thread here, and you've had me concerned for you since its beginning. Brother, the internet is littered with all kinds of fringe, extremist thinkers. In today's cyber-world, this is how they rally the troops and create cults. Looking at the totality of scripture from Genesis to Revelation, one would be hard-pressed to see any logical conclusion that aliens are actually fallen angels. Anyone can take certain verses out of context to support an unbiblical theory. The good ones can convince others of his idea and establish a following.

I believe you need to somehow get to a point where you can honestly pray on this and ask the Lord to help you overcome this obsession. It most definitely is taking you way off track of what you should be focusing on, as Stovebolts said. From your POV, you are likely inclined to dismiss my statements as ignorant and uninformed, but that's where you can start the change. Just consider what virtually every other Christian on this Christian board has said. Give these responses a chance to prove themselves worthy instead of just dismissing them out of hand.

When people get pulled into conspiracy theories and spend time with like-minded people on the internet, their resolve strengthens, and they are less open to correction no matter how outlandish their adopted theories are. Bringing the Pope and other international figures into this suspicion of yours makes it a full-blown conspiracy, and you should know we do not permit Conspiracy Theories to carry on here on CFnet. We do have a statement which forbids them.

I doubt there is intelligent life on other planets, mainly because scripture points to our creation story as being central to His Purpose. But, I'm not dismissing that there could be. I'm extremely doubtful when I hear people say we've actually been visited by them. I'm not concerned enough to talk about it even if there is a sliver of possibility that they have. I know what is written in scripture, and I know where I will end up. My heart is set on Him, the Maker of the universe that He has given us for discovery and awe.

All that said, are aliens actually fallen angels? Not a single chance, IMHO, given what God has revealed to us in His Word.

First, Thank you for your concerns, I do appreciated. I did write a long reply, but when I submit it, it disappear due to some unknown error. I lose everything, so this time I write a short one.

If this subject is considered conspiracy theory, okay, I don't post it anymore. I will respect the forum rules.

But I will have my last saying before I exist this subect here.

Neither of us can prove alien exist or they don't exist. Bible didn't directly mention space alien, didn't say life exist in outer space or not straightly.

But I do understand your stance on this subject, I used to have the same opinions as yours. But my situation has changed. I have relatives who witnessed it and confirmed it by their friend who workd for the state department. I can't deny it anymore, this is my problem, a Christian who can no longer deny the existance of aliens. My belief is not simply coming from the things I read on internet. Hope you understand.

One last thing on this subject:

I hope you and other members will remember this----one day, may be in our lifetime, If aliens offically announce their present to the whole world, ask them what do they think about Jesus, will they acknowledge Jesus as Lord and Savior, this is the only way we can identify them, if they exist and show up.

Anyhow, thanks again for the concerns of all the members've shown to me, I am thankful for that, and I will take the advises and spend less time on this subject, spend more time such as bible study or in other subjects that's related to Christian life.

God bless you all!
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