So, God is His Own angel!
It doesn't surprise me to hear a Whopper like that anymore!
The Jews that were about to stone Jesus to death for taking the name I AM, thought He was committing blasphemy.
JLB
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So, God is His Own angel!
It doesn't surprise me to hear a Whopper like that anymore!
You have added words to you Bible.The Jews that were about to stone Jesus to death for taking the name I AM, thought He was committing blasphemy.
JLB
Post 28
I said that contrary to your normal translations, God told Moses his SYMBOLIC Name He only used once- and it is something like "I will prove to prove to be", and then he told us what His REAL name was, and that it will forever be- JEHOVAH, not Jesus.
The original Hebrew name of God re-discovered in 1,000 Bible manuscripts
On January 21, 2018, Bible Scholar Nehemia Gordon and his team of researchers discovered the 1,000th Hebrew Bible manuscript containing the original name of God in Hebrew with vowels.religionnews.com
Judas and others said "ego eimi"- and NOT ONE VERSE pretends to read as John 8:58 in your Bibles.
He ANSWERED the question- before Abraham's time he EXISTED. Your standard translations have him speaking in e-bonics!
Very truly, I tell you, before Abraham was, I am.” [ Realy "I existed"] 59-So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.
The Jews that were about to stone Jesus to death for taking the name I AM, thought He was committing blasphemy.
JLB
God. The Almighty God. The God of Jesus Christ. Not a 'God-the-Angel-to-Himself'!Where is your answer? It’s not in post 28.
I don’t see where you answered my question in this post, which was —
Who was speaking to Moses in Exodus 3:14-15 ?
The Father or the Son?
Your answer is not found in post 28.
Just answer the question if you know, if you don’t know that’s ok just say I don’t know.
Was it the Father; God the Father
or His Son Jesus Christ, before He became flesh?
Here is my answer:
It was the Son of God, Jesus Christ before He became flesh speaking to Moses in Exodus 3:14-15, from the burning bush.
JLB
I use www.biblegateway.com , which has no NWT.Wow you added [ Realy "I existed"] to the verse and claim I added words to the Bible.
I must insist that you clarify which version of the Bible you are using please.
JLB
Therefore, when Jesus claimed, at John 8:58, to have lived long before his first century human existence, the Jews could have perceived him as a false prophet, or a self-proclaimed “wizard,” or, more likely, as one claiming to be the Christ or Messiah (the Son of Man) and tried to stone him because of that.
I use www.biblegateway.com , which has no NWT.
Even many trinitarian Bible translations deny any connection between God’s statement at Exodus 3:14 and Jesus’ reply to the Jews at John 8:58.
God. The Almighty God. The God of Jesus Christ. Not a 'God-the-Angel-to-Himself'!
Is Jesus God?Christ openly identified his Father as the ONLY god.
John 5:44- How can you believe when you accept glory from one another and do not seek the glory that comes from the one who alone is God?
John 17:3- Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
Now, let's see where you can add Two others- Jesus himself, and the 'Holy Ghost-god'!
The qualifier in Jesus's reply is the word "before" and it was a reply to His accusers who stated,Sure is clear the Jews immediately pick up stones to stone Him when He made this statement...
Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Then they took up stones to throw at Him;
JLB
The qualifier in Jesus's reply is the word "before" and it was a reply to His accusers who stated,
You are not yet fifty years old," they said to him, "and you have seen Abraham!"
The context is not the same as the Fathers I AM.
The firstborn was with the Father before all other things and those other things were made through Him and FOR HIM which speaks of another. For just as in the Son of Man the Father was living in Jesus creating. They are one in that manner.
Gifted and from the will of another at a point in history before the world began. "The fullness was pleased to dwell Him"
The fullness of the deity that dwells or lives in Jesus is the Father His God. They are one.
The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. If Jesus is not the Fathers Son whose son is He?
The Jesus in heaven holds to His testimony.
The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name.
I hold to this
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
And that Christ the Lord is all that the Father is and has a place on His Fathers throne. (given a name above all others except the one who gave Him that authority) It is the Father who glorifies His Firstborn.
And they are one.
I have no way of knowing if the angel at the burning bush was Jesus. Since Jesus was before the world began and all the fullness dwells in Him its not really relevant to me. Jesus stated the Father was His God and our God. I have shown how Jesus is God without another God being formed. "The fullness was pleased to dwell in Him"Do you recognize the scriptures from the Old Testament that show us Jesus Christ the Son before He became flesh?
Exodus 3:1-15 is one of them.
Every place in the Old Testament where the Lord appeared to people is Jesus, our Lord; the Lord God, YHWH.
That is the supreme revelation of the New Covenant;
Jesus Christ is Lord.
Here are some examples:
When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, “I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless. And I will make My covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly.”
Genesis 17:1-2
Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian. And he led the flock to the back of the desert, and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. And the Angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush. So he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, but the bush was not consumed. Then Moses said, “I will now turn aside and see this great sight, why the bush does not burn.”
So when the LORD saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!”
And he said, “Here I am.”
Then He said, “Do not draw near this place. Take your sandals off your feet, for the place where you stand is holy ground.” Moreover He said, “I am the God of your father—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God.
Exodus 3:1-6
JLB