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" And the Lord God said, 'behold, the man is become as one of US, to know good and evil..."
( Genesis 3:22 )
Who exactly then is, " US " ?
( Genesis 3:22 )
Who exactly then is, " US " ?
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An Open Debate on the Trinity with JLB
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Who was the Son's mother during this period ?
Mary, the Mother of the Triune Godhead?
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Mary was alive with Adam & Eve ?
I have never heard this .
So Mary was Eve's sister ?
Take a CLOSER look at "ego" (I) and especially "eimi": https://biblehub.com/greek/1510.htm
EVERY Trinnie ignores Christ's words, such as~
Christ openly identified his Father as the ONLY god.
John 5:44- How can you believe when you accept glory from one another and do not seek the glory that comes from the one who alone is God?
John 17:3- Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
As we can see on this forum...
Christ openly identified his Father as the ONLY god.
John 5:44- How can you believe when you accept glory from one another and do not seek the glory that comes from the one who alone is God?
John 17:3- Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
As we can see on this forum...
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So Mary was Jesus's mother during Adam & Eve's time in the Garden ?
Really ?
So who exactly was Mary's mother then ?
Exodus 3:1-15 shows that the Angel of the Lord was speaking to Moses. Do you believe the Angel of the Lord is Almighty God?
Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian. And he led the flock to the back of the desert, and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. And the Angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush. So he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, but the bush was not consumed. Then Moses said, “I will now turn aside and see this great sight, why the bush does not burn.”
So when the LORD saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!”
And he said, “Here I am.”
Then He said, “Do not draw near this place. Take your sandals off your feet, for the place where you stand is holy ground.” Moreover He said, “I am the God of your father—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God.
And the LORD said: “I have surely seen the oppression of My people who are in Egypt, and have heard their cry because of their taskmasters, for I know their sorrows. So I have come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, and to bring them up from that land to a good and large land, to a land flowing with milk and honey, to the place of the Canaanites and the Hittites and the Amorites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites. Now therefore, behold, the cry of the children of Israel has come to Me, and I have also seen the oppression with which the Egyptians oppress them. Come now, therefore, and I will send you to Pharaoh that you may bring My people, the children of Israel, out of Egypt.”
But Moses said to God, “Who am I that I should go to Pharaoh, and that I should bring the children of Israel out of Egypt?”
So He said, “I will certainly be with you. And this shall be a sign to you that I have sent you: When you have brought the people out of Egypt, you shall serve God on this mountain.”
Then Moses said to God, “Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His name?’ what shall I say to them?”
And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, I AM has sent me to you.’ ” Moreover God said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: ‘The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.’ Exodus 3:1-15
The Angel of the Lord who spoke to Moses declared Himself as God.
Moses was afraid to look upon God.
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Okay then , my question started with this:
To which you replied this:
To which I asked who was the mother of " His son" who is mentioned as being " one of us" in Genesis ?
At which point your theological jalopy blew a steadily wearing tire and veered into the ditch, void of anything resembling a straight answer , to a simple question:
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So with no maternal birthing required prior to being " SENT ", when and more importantly, how, exactly did this " Son" first come into existence, in your understanding ?
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Thanks for asking!
Heb 1:1- God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2- has in these last days spoken to us by His son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; 3- who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4- having become so much better than the angels, as he has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
He was separate from God as His son- and EVERY JEW understood what a son is; contrary to Churchianity!
Heb 1:1- God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2- has in these last days spoken to us by His son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; 3- who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4- having become so much better than the angels, as he has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
He was separate from God as His son- and EVERY JEW understood what a son is; contrary to Churchianity!
Col 1: 13- He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the son of His love, 14- in whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins.15- He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all [every] creation. 16- For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through him and for him.
He is separate from God, and the FIRST BORN of all creation.
Rev 3:14- And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God...
EVERY Jew also knew what "Firstborn" meant- and clergy try to say these are both titles- as if God was the son of someone else!
He is separate from God, and the FIRST BORN of all creation.
Rev 3:14- And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God...
EVERY Jew also knew what "Firstborn" meant- and clergy try to say these are both titles- as if God was the son of someone else!
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If that's what people must believe to be saved, then no one was saved until around 450 AD. That's the first time we see the idea of one God in three persons in church history. Read the Athanasian Creed and then read the Nicene Creed. They are very different in what they say about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Keep in mind that the Nicene Creed came first.