And Some People Wonder Why

[jasonc]

Murder by lobbyist nest feathering.

There is no good reason for Americans to pay many times what the rest of the world pays for the same meds.

And kindly defend how we should tax for healthcare but not food,homes for all?

Heakthcare is a voter push when politician can make more on that they will.
Are you,a statistic ?because that is how the state sees you.

Need a heart transplant ,how old are you and how long will he repay in taxes ?

 

[Michael74]

And kindly defend how we should tax for healthcare...

No need for any extra taxes. Other countries cover their entire populations for half the price. That means that the USA could cover every single citizen for basic care without spending one extra penny. What the government spends now to cover half of the population could cover every single American if we just tame the lobbyists and bankers.

Americans don't need to pay twice as much as the entire rest of the first world. That's nonsense.

 

[JLB]

No need for any extra taxes.

Most people don’t know how corrupt and evil the IRS really is, nor do they realize that “wages” are not “income”.


Wages were never included in income tax.

Income is what businesses produce.

Wages are not “income”.




JLB

 

[jasonc]

No need for any extra taxes. Other countries cover their entire populations for half the price. That means that the USA could cover every single citizen for basic care without spending one extra penny. What the government spends now to cover half of the population could cover every single American if we just tame the lobbyists and bankers.

Americans don't need to pay twice as much as the entire rest of the first world. That's nonsense.

Actually that's false ..

The average person in the Europa can't afford a car,in Italy they can't have air condition and use more then 3 kwh per month and your fined

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I posted that to show that by adding levels of beaucracy that decides will not work on your favor .

Plenty of canadians visit me state,along the border they avoid long waits .

Countries with the Highest Single and Family Income Tax Rates

Before you move to one of these countries, find out how the U.S. compares to the overall tax situation for single or married people.

www.investopedia.com

Germany ,Denmark higher on,a single person ,we are at 21st on both this and married .

You avoided the question about the right to housing ,food .

The link implies price controls .that works real well in NYC,la,san Fran

 

[Michael74]

You avoided the question about the right to housing ,food .

Separate issues. Food is inexpensive in the USA. The free market is allowed to work there. People can import food from around the world without restrictions, and anyone can start a farm in the USA without buying an expensive licence.

Housing is a mixture. Some areas are free market, especially rural areas. Affordable abodes exist in some areas of the USA. However, many cities are centrally planned via zoning, which can make housing ridiculously and needlessly expensive there.

Due to economies of scale health care can be provided most inexpensively by the government. Health care is less expensive everywhere else on the planet. Things like roads and health care are just better done through government.

Regulatory capture has made US health care pricey beyond all reason. That's not free market capitalism. Not even close. National health care forces them to moderate expensive favors done for lobbyists, because they have to pay for those favors. When someone else pays for the favors, like employers, many don't care how expensive the favors to lobbyists are. People can import strawberries from South America without restriction, but not cholesterol medicine. Thus food is inexpensive, but medicine is not.

 

[Christ_empowered]

i think universal health care is the way to go. doesn't mean the US cannot -also- have private insurance, cash only MDs/DOs, etc., just...please, please, please get coverage to the people who are dying from not getting -basic- health care...please, please, please stop people from being bankrupted by health problems, even when they have insurance.

oh, and with the impeachment...man oh man, i think Trump is impeach-able, but I also think this is a crafty maneuver by the center-right of the democratic party to a) impeach Trump (obviously....) and b) reassert their control over the party, because the progressives, etc. are gettin' uppity.

and that is all.

 

[jasonc]

Separate issues. Food is inexpensive in the USA. The free market is allowed to work there. People can import food from around the world without restrictions, and anyone can start a farm in the USA without buying an expensive licence.

Housing is a mixture. Some areas are free market, especially rural areas. Affordable abodes exist in some areas of the USA. However, many cities are centrally planned via zoning, which can make housing ridiculously and needlessly expensive there.

Due to economies of scale health care can be provided most inexpensively by the government. Health care is less expensive everywhere else on the planet. Things like roads and health care are just better done through government.

Regulatory capture has made US health care pricey beyond all reason. That's not free market capitalism. Not even close. National health care forces them to moderate expensive favors done for lobbyists, because they have to pay for those favors. When someone else pays for the favors, like employers, many don't care how expensive the favors to lobbyists are. People can import strawberries from South America without restriction, but not cholesterol medicine. Thus food is inexpensive, but medicine is not.

Is that why in Canada each province doesn't have any govt owned hospitals,you,are missing that .

You are also assuming that the feds must negotiate and directly be able to run them and actually keep costs down they can't .

Army IG finds widespread concerns with privatized housing and lack of oversight

Bases were prohibited from conducting health and welfare inspections of privatized housing.

www.armytimes.com

This was a problem 25 years ago ,it still is.

Military housing privatization - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Ft.Polk when i was there in 94 started that .

Would you wait six months for a payment ?would you wait and work harder no matter how many you healed ,got paid the same?

Doctors burn out.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(19)31573-9/fulltext

Not implying in the u.s.it isn't a problem but I'm skeptical that any state,county or federal beaurcrat would be able to reduce costs,to get contracts you must grease the hands.or be related to the guy.seen it in the job I have ,seen it at the dod and state.

He'll to the nah.

 

[jasonc]

Britain's 'unprecedented' drug shortage - BBC News

File on 4 looks at the impact Britain's medicine shortage crisis is having on patients.

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List of pharmaceutical manufacturers in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

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Despite that long list ,they have shortages

Many on that list are in fact American ,some have branches in my county ag research,Bayer,wyeth at one time .

 

[jasonc]

The 3 root causes of America's drug shortages, according to FDA

U.S. drug shortages are increasing and causing hospitals to ration lifesaving treatments, according to an FDA report released Tuesday, and the agency has three main recommendations to address the issue.

www.advisory.com

 

[jasonc]

Not that we don't .but hmm rules ,I bet that has a lot .

 

[jasonc]

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[jasonc]

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Where I stand in short .

 

[jasonc]

Danes make welfare a hot election issue as cracks show in Nordic model

The Nordic welfare model, long the envy of many across the world seeking an egalitarian utopia, is creaking.

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But I thought .. It was not gonna ration ,note the lack of trust ,36 percent per month .

Work longer .

 

[jasonc]

It shoukd be noted that in Europa save the crown ,the euro is higher then the dollar ,the pound is stronger as well.yet despite that the Danes are seeing the problem .borrow more to fund it or tax it and still run,deficits.the danish state doesn't use the euro.

 

[daninthelionsden]

Yes, that is a better system. Basic care that affects longevity is provided inexpensively through the government. Economies of scale help keep prices affordable, along with moderation in lobbyist nest feathering. Anything extra can be bought with voluntary insurance or cash, at prices that are affordable compared to what cash customers in the USA are charged.

Cash prices in the USA are astronomical compared to the rest of the world, which makes insurance needlessly expensive too. Lobbyists. Needlessly unaffordable prices are cruel beyond all reason to the sick. There is no good reason for those prices. Its immoral to force the sick to needlessly feather the nests of lobbyists, just when they are at their most vulnerable.

A classic case of tying heavy burdens on helpless and vulnerable people. Then refusing to lift a finger to help them carry those cruel and unnecessary burdens.

Yes. My wife is in medical billing and she said the insurance corporations push the government to reduce benefits so they can follow suit to pad their profits then blame the government.

 

[jasonc]

I'm not a fan of that .but well tricare has shafted my wife a few times,tricare and Medicare same pay out rates and tricare can't be used as a suplimental to Medicare.

I remember beating tricare easily in private insurance.a mere decade ago .

 

[Shekinahglory]

For the record, I'm guilty too. I don't spend all of my expendable income helping the poor or the needy. I have never even offered to pay for someone's healthcare needs. I have on occasion given a little to help someone that asked. I have a certain amount set aside in my budget for charitable giving. I have on occasion purchased a bag of groceries for the poor, donated to the food shelf, etc., but I have never done it till it hurts.

And isn’t this the real problem, the way the church fails in her call? there is a church that has welfare system for their own. Many in the church help others with jobs. Mentoring those to prepare them for work, as well as spiritual things. Plus this church has billions of dollars. Given by people who know their church is active in all these things. Yes, they are legalistic and some believe they are unchristian but they do much of what Christian churches should be doing.

on the political i cite that Scripture tells us soldiers do not involve themselves in the affairs of civilians. 2 Timothy 2:3-5 teach us this and we need to ask do politics, not as they have evolved, civilian or military. Do we have faith that Daniel 4:17 is not only His will but that He brought that will to fulfillment for every politician who has ever taken the seat of power. What part do aliens and pilgrims have in the civilian affairs of the country they may presently reside in?

We have Christians who have become involved in politics with the best motivation. But after say the last 30- 40 years what has happened. Has the world been made better or have those called by His name been stained by the spread of the leaven. This forum cannot even discuss politics because of the leaven division that gets worse daily. For those who think this arguing is needed I remind us of why Scripture tells us we fight 2 Tim. 1-3 is our own sin not the failure of others.

 

[daninthelionsden]

i think universal health care is the way to go. doesn't mean the US cannot -also- have private insurance, cash only MDs/DOs, etc., just...please, please, please get coverage to the people who are dying from not getting -basic- health care...please, please, please stop people from being bankrupted by health problems, even when they have insurance.

oh, and with the impeachment...man oh man, i think Trump is impeach-able, but I also think this is a crafty maneuver by the center-right of the democratic party to a) impeach Trump (obviously....) and b) reassert their control over the party, because the progressives, etc. are gettin' uppity.

and that is all.

I think it's all manufactured drama to get the country distracted so people don't notice the rubber stamp congress isn't doing its job.

 

[daninthelionsden]

It shoukd be noted that in Europa save the crown ,the euro is higher then the dollar ,the pound is stronger as well.yet despite that the Danes are seeing the problem .borrow more to fund it or tax it and still run,deficits.the danish state doesn't use the euro.

The massive influx of "refugees" is bankrupting a system artificially......the system worked fine before this.

 

[jasonc]

The massive influx of "refugees" is bankrupting a system artificially......the system worked fine before this.

They had reforms going back 20 years,we have a much larger land mass and nearly impossible to stop illegal immigrants fully .reduce it .


Note the problem in the article on baby boomers ,Nordic countries are very restrictive on immigrants and being able to marry their citizenry.
I highly doubt that would be tolerated in america ,given that even if you apply for a work visa its still hard .