Angels Do Not Have Sex

[agua.]

Well, I, for one, had never heard of any such thing until recently. A friend began the conversation, asking why the Book of Enoch was not considered Scripture. Then came the topic of angel-sex and it went from there...

There were no "preconceived" ideas on my side. I can't speak for my friend Edward but I doubt that he brought any preconceived ideas either.

The reason that I've asked if you had heard of or studied or been taught is because you brought up the whole "preconceived ideas" and it didn't ring true to my experience. My friend started researching what others said and found several scriptures to prove what they were saying.

But please don't get me wrong, I'm not faulting his Berean approach to study at all, just wondering about your statement:


How would you think that the typical person who has never even heard of such a thing have any type of preconceived idea?? Unless we were taught that angels could have sex I honestly doubt the idea would even occur to most. Has that not been your experience as well?

It's really only in the modern era that the idea that Angels, or some other form of "gods", mated with humans has been taken less seriously. The Greeks believed their "gods" mated with women and it's interesting where this idea may have come from. Greek mythology isn't a supporting argument but the idea of heavenly creatures mating with women has been around for ages. Well at least since Noah's days :D
Modern thinkers don't like the idea though imo because it isn't something we can "scientifically" examine and also it's a little creepy for most people. Modern people like things nice and visible usually which is also probably a reason why we have far more atheism today.

 

[Sparkey]

Okay, yes. I have heard of Zeus and his amorous activities. And there are tons of gods. Greek deities, Roman deities, Norse deities, Celtic deities, even ancient Babylonian deities. Each of them has their story but I don't think that those stories have become a basis for not believing in angel sex (preconceived ideas). I'm not saying that angels are mythological or creatures of the imagination at all. Actually, it would seem quite the opposite don't you think?

 

[Edward]

Well, I, for one, had never heard of any such thing until recently. A friend began the conversation, asking why the Book of Enoch was not considered Scripture. Then came the topic of angel-sex and it went from there...

There were no "preconceived" ideas on my side. I can't speak for my friend Edward but I doubt that he brought any preconceived ideas either.

The reason that I've asked if you had heard of or studied or been taught is because you brought up the whole "preconceived ideas" and it didn't ring true to my experience. My friend started researching what others said and found several scriptures to prove what they were saying.

But please don't get me wrong, I'm not faulting his Berean approach to study at all, just wondering about your statement:


How would you think that the typical person who has never even heard of such a thing have any type of preconceived idea?? Unless we were taught that angels could have sex I honestly doubt the idea would even occur to most. Has that not been your experience as well?

In all fairness brother, there were also preconceived ideas on your side. The sethite view and the daughters of Cain view have been around since the 5th (?) century I believe. There is nothing new under the sun. Most people, when they read Genesis 6 for the first time, blow over it without much thought beause it is indeed not exactly something that is...easy to digest. Then somewhere along the line, we hear a Pastor speak on it and begin to form opinions on it. Which is what I did and probably what you did. But after hearing someone speak on a subject, we are to go and prayerfully do our own homework and research to confirm or deny the truth of what we have heard.

I did this, and took a good honest look at it. The Angel view has the most credibility and scripture to back it up. Both the Sethite view and the daughters of Cain view have nothing but mans opinion, no scripture. That's the way these threads go too! The Angel view gets scriptures posted, with requests for scripture that oppose the view...and they are never posted. Only frustrated opinion.

Why is all this coming out now, in these days? Time and season brother. Scripture says in the last days knowledge will be increased. I believe this is happening. Bless you and yours brother.

 

[Edward]

It's really only in the modern era that the idea that Angels, or some other form of "gods", mated with humans has been taken less seriously. The Greeks believed their "gods" mated with women and it's interesting where this idea may have come from. Greek mythology isn't a supporting argument but the idea of heavenly creatures mating with women has been around for ages. Well at least since Noah's days :biggrin
Modern thinkers don't like the idea though imo because it isn't something we can "scientifically" examine and also it's a little creepy for most people. Modern people like things nice and visible usually which is also probably a reason why we have far more atheism today.

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Plus, it could also be that...it's the truth and if the view were being held up as the truth that many people would not believe "the Lie" that is coming. Which is aliens of course, that they seeded our planet and hence, there is no God. I believe Aliens are demonic liars. More than one respected ufo researchers have come out with the info that the Aliens keep changing their story and lie. A modicum of research into this will reveal this to anyone.

 

[JLB]

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Plus, it could also be that...it's the truth and if the view were being held up as the truth that many people would not believe "the Lie" that is coming. Which is aliens of course, that they seeded our planet and hence, there is no God. I believe Aliens are demonic liars. More than one respected ufo researchers have come out with the info that the Aliens keep changing their story and lie. A modicum of research into this will reveal this to anyone.

Thanks for bringing up a relevant point that actually concerns us in this matter.

Concerning the last days we see -

As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay. 44 And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever. Daniel 2:43-44
Key phrases -

• they will mingle with the seed of men;

• And in the days of these kings...

Let's discuss these two points.

JLB

 

[Edward]

Ok. For it to be grammatically correct the way it is written, "they" would have be something other than the seed of man for it to make sense, right?

 

[JLB]

Ok. For it to be grammatically correct the way it is written, "they" would have be something other than the seed of man for it to make sense, right?

"Someone" other than the seed of man.

They is a reference to a "being", but not a human being.

"They" will "mingle" with...the seed...of man.

Two different species that are co-mingled.


JLB

 

[Lewis]

Why would God give angels reproductive organs ? Would somebody please tell me why ? I am waiting.

 

[Sinthesis]

It's really only in the modern era that the idea that Angels, or some other form of "gods", mated with humans has been taken less seriously. The Greeks believed their "gods" mated with women and it's interesting where this idea may have come from. Greek mythology isn't a supporting argument but the idea of heavenly creatures mating with women has been around for ages. Well at least since Noah's days :biggrin
Modern thinkers don't like the idea though imo because it isn't something we can "scientifically" examine and also it's a little creepy for most people. Modern people like things nice and visible usually which is also probably a reason why we have far more atheism today.

Rom 1:18-25 tells us that those ideas were based in vain foolishness. I believe the entire subject of angel/sex/hybrid/alien nonsense is still vain foolishness and contrary to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

[Edward]

"Someone" other than the seed of man.

They is a reference to a "being", but not a human being.

"They" will "mingle" with...the seed...of man.

Two different species that are co-mingled.


JLB

I agree with this.

Why would God give angels reproductive organs ? Would somebody please tell me why ? I am waiting.

I'm still waiting on any scripture which would refute the Angel view.

Rom 1:18-25 tells us that those ideas were based in vain foolishness. I believe the entire subject of angel/sex/hybrid/alien nonsense is still vain foolishness and contrary to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Maybe you think that I/we want to believe this stuff? Oh, what a can o worms this is. Say it aint so! But please, say it with scripture.

 

[Sparkey]

In all fairness brother, there were also preconceived ideas on your side. The sethite view and the daughters of Cain view have been around since the 5th (?) century I believe. There is nothing new under the sun. Most people, when they read Genesis 6 for the first time, blow over it without much thought beause it is indeed not exactly something that is...easy to digest. Then somewhere along the line, we hear a Pastor speak on it and begin to form opinions on it. Which is what I did and probably what you did. But after hearing someone speak on a subject, we are to go and prayerfully do our own homework and research to confirm or deny the truth of what we have heard.

I did this, and took a good honest look at it. The Angel view has the most credibility and scripture to back it up. Both the Sethite view and the daughters of Cain view have nothing but mans opinion, no scripture. That's the way these threads go too! The Angel view gets scriptures posted, with requests for scripture that oppose the view...and they are never posted. Only frustrated opinion.

Why is all this coming out now, in these days? Time and season brother. Scripture says in the last days knowledge will be increased. I believe this is happening. Bless you and yours brother.

Except I don't endorse the "Sethite view" either. Who are the "sons of God?" Believers are. It doesn't matter if we're talking about Old or New Covenants. Also, you were the first person to mention the subject to me, Edward. Not a pastor and I've not heard anybody come up with what I consider the most reasonable meaning for the SoG term: Believers. Do Angels believe? I believe they do so they are indeed included. I've never found any Scripture that excludes the possibility of humans being called sons. That's what the promise is about.

 

[Edward]

Except I don't endorse the "Sethite view" either. Who are the "sons of God?" Believers are. It doesn't matter if we're talking about Old or New Covenants. Also, you were the first person to mention the subject to me, Edward. Not a pastor and I've not heard anybody come up with what I consider the most reasonable meaning for the SoG term: Believers. Do Angels believe? I believe they do so they are indeed included. I've never found any Scripture that excludes the possibility of humans being called sons. That's what the promise is about.

Oh ok. Well, as far as i can tell from scripture and Strongs, SoG are directly created being of God, Angels. Adam was also being as he was created. I do know that believers are said to be given the power to become the Sons of God. i don't think we are yet. Perhaps it happens when we are transfigured in the twinkling of an eye, or perhaps at some point in a believers progress. Could you shed any light on this? There may be more scriptures which illuminate this. But as I read it, those who receive Him, are given the power to become SoG and it doesn't happen instantly.

John 1:12
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:/

I was the very first one who brought the Angel view to your attention? I didn't realize that brother. In a way, it sort of doesn't surprise me. I have heard at least a couple pastors say that they weren't even given the view in Seminary or bible college, they simply put out the (Sethite view, *I think*). That's sort of a red flag really, good teaching should provide the alternate view(s) if any so that the student can do his own homework and decide for themself. The Pastor whom I first heard the Angel view from (Chuck Missler) did provide both alternate views and encourage the listeners to research it for themselves. I respect that in a Pastor.

 

[chessman]

Oh ok. Well, as far as i can tell from scripture and Strongs, SoG are directly created being of God, Angels.
.

Do you realize this rule of yours means Adam was an angel?

 

[Edward]

No, it means he was a son of God as a directly created being.

...and so these threads go. how about some scripture brother? Anything?

 

[chessman]

No, it means he was a son of God as a directly created being.

...and so these threads go. how about some scripture brother? Anything?

Luke 3:38 ... the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

See, right there. It says Adam was the son of God. Poof. Adam was an angel.

Well, as far as i can tell from scripture and Strongs, SoG are directly created being of God, Angels.
.

 

[Edward]

Luke 3:38 ... the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

See, right there. It says Adam was the son of God. Poof. Adam was an angel.

What are you trying to do here brother? Look at my quote which you edited out, and complete it...

Well, as far as i can tell from scripture and Strongs, SoG are directly created being of God, Angels. Adam was also being as he was created.

I'm not saying that Adam was an Angel. I am saying that Adam was a directly created being of God...A son of God.

 

[agua.]

Okay, yes. I have heard of Zeus and his amorous activities. And there are tons of gods. Greek deities, Roman deities, Norse deities, Celtic deities, even ancient Babylonian deities. Each of them has their story but I don't think that those stories have become a basis for not believing in angel sex (preconceived ideas). I'm not saying that angels are mythological or creatures of the imagination at all. Actually, it would seem quite the opposite don't you think?

I don't mean that these stories have caused people to disbelieve Angels mated with women; but that the idea of "gods" mating with humans has been around for ages. Compare it with the ~ 500+ flood myths that exist. Only one of these flood stories is based on fact but this doesn't mean that we should disregard the Biblical flood because it's one amid many distortions.

Angels are considered mythological creatures in the vein of Greek gods by all atheists and the number is growing.

Why would God give angels reproductive organs ? Would somebody please tell me why ? I am waiting.

If Yahweh allowed and Angel to eat/drink do you think this angel will have had a digestive tract or the food just sat in the stomach ( if he had one )?

Rom 1:18-25 tells us that those ideas were based in vain foolishness. I believe the entire subject of angel/sex/hybrid/alien nonsense is still vain foolishness and contrary to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

What part of Angels mating with women is contrary to the Gospel ?

 

[JLB]

Except I don't endorse the "Sethite view" either. Who are the "sons of God?" Believers are. It doesn't matter if we're talking about Old or New Covenants. Also, you were the first person to mention the subject to me, Edward. Not a pastor and I've not heard anybody come up with what I consider the most reasonable meaning for the SoG term: Believers. Do Angels believe? I believe they do so they are indeed included. I've never found any Scripture that excludes the possibility of humans being called sons. That's what the promise is about.

That's the problem it does matter because it is through faith in Christ that enables us to be BORN OF GOD.

This dis not occur in the OT.

If you say there is then you are saying that there was some "other" way to God.

Just isn't so.

Sons of God are offspring of God.

In the OT this meant angels.

 

[reba]

JLB are Jesus and God one in the same?

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

Ok. For it to be grammatically correct the way it is written, "they" would have be something other than the seed of man for it to make sense, right?

no, not at all.
here's two 'better' translations i think:

Daniel 2:41-44
Expanded Bible (EXB)
41 “You saw that the statue’s feet and toes were partly ·baked [pottery]
clay and partly iron. That means the fourth kingdom will be a divided
kingdom. It will have some of the strength of iron in it, just as you
saw iron was mixed with ·clay [or pottery; or terra cotta]. 42 The toes
of the statue were partly iron and partly ·clay [or pottery; or terra
cotta]. So the fourth kingdom will be partly strong [Clike iron] and
partly ·breakable [brittle; Clike baked clay]. 43 You saw the iron mixed
with ·clay [pottery; terra cotta], but iron and ·clay [pottery; terra
cotta] do not hold together. In the same way the people of the fourth
kingdom will be a mixture, but they will not be united as one people.
44 “During the ·time [Ldays] of those kings, the God of heaven will set
up another kingdom that will never be destroyed [Cthe kingdom of God] or
given to another group of people. This kingdom will crush all the other
kingdoms and bring them to an end [v. 40], but it will ·continue [stand]
forever.


Daniel 2:41-44
Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
41 Finally, you saw the feet and toes made partly of pottery clay and
partly of iron; this will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of
the firmness of iron, since you saw the iron mixed with clay from the
ground. 42 Just as the toes of the feet were part iron and part clay,
this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle. 43 You saw the
iron mixed with clay; that means that they will cement their alliances
by intermarriages; but they won’t stick together any more than iron
blends with clay.
44 “In the days of those kings the God of heaven will establish a
kingdom that will never be destroyed, and that kingdom will not pass
into the hands of another people. It will break to pieces and consume
all those kingdoms; but it, itself, will stand forever —