Angels Do Not Have Sex

[Sparkey]

What is this? Now you say that

1 "When Israel was a child, I loved him, And out of Egypt I called My son. Hosea 11:1

This is a reference to Jesus Christ, not a whole nation of people.

14 When he arose, he took the young Child and His mother by night and departed for Egypt, 15 and was there until the death of Herod, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying, "Out of Egypt I called My Son."Matthew 2:14-15

Israel is a reference to Jesus Christ, in the context of Hosea 11:1.

What? Huh? What was that?

The Israelites (the twelve tribes of Israel) see themselves as the descendants of the twelve sons of Jacob ben Isaac, son of Abraham.

Abraham was a believer. He is called the father of our faith. Of course we know that faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. John (from the depths of his understanding) declared that Jesus is the word of God. Yes, the word through the prophet Hosea was prophetic (duh!) but that does not negate the truth of what was said directly.

reba does not mince words. Here's what she said:

Exo_4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

Frankly, I believe her.

 

[JLB]

Exo_4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

34 the son of Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham, the son of Terah, the son of Nahor, Luke 3:34

The Bible says that Jacob was the son of Issac.

Jacob was renamed Israel.

And He said, "Your name shall no longer be called Jacob, but Israel; for you have struggled with God and with men, and have prevailed." Genesis 32:28

And God said to him, "Your name is Jacob; your name shall not be called Jacob anymore, but Israel shall be your name." So He called his name Israel. Genesis 35:10

How about this one -

9 They shall come with weeping, And with supplications I will lead them. I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters, In a straight way in which they shall not stumble; For I am a Father to Israel, And Ephraim is My firstborn. Jeremiah 31:9

Maybe we should teach that Ephraim is God's Firstborn?

Jesus Christ is the only Begotten of the father.

He is the Firstborn of God.

51 Joseph called the name of the firstborn Manasseh: "For God has made me forget all my toil and all my father's house." 52 And the name of the second he called Ephraim: "For God has caused me to be fruitful in the land of my affliction." Genesis 41:51-52

Ephraim was Joseph's son.


JLB

 

[Sparkey]

The question is: Can a man and a woman produce a son of God, through the process of natural child birth.

If you believe they can, please provide a scripture that shows us this phenomenon.

JLB

Asked and answered. No. Apart from God there are no sons of God. This silly question really has you going, doesn't it? There is enmity between the Spirit and flesh.

I've noticed that you don't speak of fallen angels when you talk about Gen 6. Why do you think God let His holy angels have sex with the daughters of men? Why were they supposedly equipped for this?

 

[JLB]

What is this? Now you say that


What? Huh? What was that?

The Israelites (the twelve tribes of Israel) see themselves as the descendants of the twelve sons of Jacob ben Isaac, son of Abraham.

Abraham was a believer. He is called the father of our faith. Of course we know that faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. John (from the depths of his understanding) declared that Jesus is the word of God. Yes, the word through the prophet Hosea was prophetic (duh!) but that does not negate the truth of what was said directly.

reba does not mince words. Here's what she said:


Frankly, I believe her.

1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 1 John 5:1


The Old Testament teaches us that the sons of God were a reference to angels, created not begotten.

1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; 3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5 For to which of the angels did He ever say: "You are My Son, Today I have begotten You"? And again: "I will be to Him a Father, And He shall be to Me a Son"? 6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "Let all the angels of God worship Him." 7 And of the angels He says: "Who makes His angels spirits And His ministers a flame of fire." 8 But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom.

Hebrews 1:1-8

 

[JLB]

Asked and answered. No. Apart from God there are no sons of God. This silly question really has you going, doesn't it? There is enmity between the Spirit and flesh.

I've noticed that you don't speak of fallen angels when you talk about Gen 6. Why do you think God let His holy angels have sex with the daughters of men? Why were they supposedly equipped for this?

The sons of God were a reference to angels, for no man and women can produce a son of God.

Only belief in Jesus Christ is how a person is born of God.

This was not the case in the Old Testament.


JLB

 

[Sparkey]

Exo_4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

34 the son of Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham, the son of Terah, the son of Nahor, Luke 3:34

The Bible says that Jacob was the son of Issac.

The bible also says that Israel (whose name was changed from Jacob) is God's son, even His firstborn.

That's some powerful statement right there. I know you won't admit it, but there is nothing left but repetition.

1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 1 John 5:1

The Old Testament teaches us that the sons of God were a reference to angels, created not begotten.

The Hebrew word "ben" (translated son or sons) is used more than 3,000 times in the bible. It's not that tough to understand. It describes a relationship. God is our Father and like it or not, you're no angel.

 

[JLB]

The bible also says that Israel (whose name was changed from Jacob) is God's son, even His firstborn.

That's some powerful statement right there. I know you won't admit it, but there is nothing left but repetition.


The Hebrew word "ben" (translated son or sons) is used more than 3,000 times in the bible. It's not that tough to understand. It describes a relationship. God is our Father and like it or not, you're no angel.

So it's your belief that the man Israel is God's firstborn Son?


JLB

 

[Sparkey]

So it's your belief that the man Israel is God's firstborn Son?

JLB

Isn't that was the bible said? I wonder what God could have meant by that? Maybe he meant, "JLB is wrong".

JLB - it's been fun trying to iron out your twists and turns but laundry time is over and I'll need to get ready for school

Find somebody else to pay word games with, I'll be back later...

 

[JLB]

The bible also says that Israel (whose name was changed from Jacob) is God's son, even His firstborn.

That's some powerful statement right there. I know you won't admit it, but there is nothing left but repetition.


The Hebrew word "ben" (translated son or sons) is used more than 3,000 times in the bible. It's not that tough to understand. It describes a relationship. God is our Father and like it or not, you're no angel.

22 Then you shall say to Pharaoh, 'Thus says the Lord: "Israel is My son, My firstborn. 23 So I say to you, let My son go that he may serve Me. But if you refuse to let him go, indeed I will kill your son, your firstborn." ' " Exodus 4:22-23

Personally I believe this is a reference to Jesus, the First born.

But for the sake of this discussion, lets continue.

If Israel is God's first born, then there can not possibly be any human "sons of God" prior to Israel being the First Born.

Which proves the Genesis account that the sons of God was a reference to angels, Because as the scripture says, Israel is My Firstborn.

Israel was well after the Flood.


JLB

 

[Sparkey]

Personally I believe this is a reference to Jesus, the First born.

If "Israel" can (as you say) refer to Jesus, God's only begotten son, then where is the difficulty in understanding that the same term can be inclusive of all believers. Personally, I believe this is a reference to us. God is called "God the Father" for reason. He is our Father in heaven. And I'm no angel either.


By the way, God is delivering us from Egypt (bondage to sin) even now.

 

[JLB]

So you do understand that there are difficult passages and not everything is black and white like you'd like to insist?

If "Israel" can, as you believe, mean or refer to Jesus, God's only begotten son, then where is the difficulty in understanding that the same term can be inclusive of all believers. Personally, I believe this is a reference to us.

God is delivering us from Egypt (bondage to sin) even now.

Brother have I not said you are a son of God.

We are referring to a time before Christ.

We are even referring to a time before Israel.

Maybe you see now why I asked very specifically, can a man and woman produce a son of God.

The only reference to a human being God's son is Israel, which is a reference and a Type of Christ.

If Israel is indeed God's firstborn then it is clear that the Genesis 6 reference is to angels, who were not wiped out by the flood, and were well before Israel.
JLB

 

[Sparkey]

While he yet talked to the people, behold, [his] mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.
Then one said unto him, "Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee."
But he answered and said unto him that told him, "Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?"

And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, "Behold my mother and my brethren!
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother."
[Mat 12:46-50 KJV]

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JLB? Why do you call me brother? If you can understand our relationship is formed in Christ, surely you can understand that we did not originate our relation. God did. We are brothers and sisters (adopted). I simply can not exclude Abraham, nor Moses nor others whom I have never met from the Family of God. It's not my place. God calls Israel (and I think he means all believers) his son.

Yes, angels are included. The bible says so. The Holy Spirit calls them sons in the book of Job. But I don't think that we should start saying, "Oh, no! Abraham is not part of us, we are sons of God and are like the angels." It's absurd is all.

 

[JLB]

While he yet talked to the people, behold, [his] mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.
Then one said unto him, "Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee."
But he answered and said unto him that told him, "Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?"

And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, "Behold my mother and my brethren!
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother."
[Mat 12:46-50 KJV]

______________________________

JLB? Why do you call me brother? If you can understand our relationship is formed in Christ, surely you can understand that we did not originate our relation. God did. We are brothers and sisters (adopted). I simply can not exclude Abraham, nor Moses nor others whom I have never met from the Family of God. It's not my place. God calls Israel (and I think he means all believers) his son.

Yes, angels are included. The bible says so. The Holy Spirit calls them sons in the book of Job. But I don't think that we should start saying, "Oh, no! Abraham is not part of us, we are sons of God and are like the angels." It's absurd is all.

The reason we do not exclude Abraham, and all the OT saints is because Jesus was presented to them after the cross, down in the heart of the earth.


JLB

 

[chessman]

Whose children did God nourish and bring up and take care of and provide Manna and water for in the wilderness?


JLB

His children.

Malachi 2:10 Do we not all have one father? Has not one God created us? Why then are we unfaithful to one another, profaning the covenant of our ancestors? ​

 

[BigSodaExposer]

I see three problems with your reasoning...

1. Nothing in the Bible says that angels don't have reproductive organs.
2. Nothing in the Bible says that angels don't have blood.
3. Sperm doesn't have blood.

I agree with your conclusion, but I'm afraid your line of reasoning doesn't work.

The TOG​

But a spirit hath not flesh and bones yes? And they have a spiritual body not a physical body. Like when the dead in christ are raised incorruptible. My guess is angels are neither male nor female. Thats a human and worldly thing.

 

[JLB]

His children.

Malachi 2:10 Do we not all have one father? Has not one God created us? Why then are we unfaithful to one another, profaning the covenant of our ancestors? ​

So, is your Doctrine that all of humanity are sons of God?

 

[reba]

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

But a spirit hath not flesh and bones yes? And they have a spiritual body not a physical body. Like when the dead in christ are raised incorruptible. My guess is angels are neither male nor female. Thats a human and worldly thing.

just a footnote; but not for discussion nor argument. Jesus , after resurrected, had (and has) flesh and bones.
also,
God, Jesus, and Angels are male in heaven. Simple.

 

[JLB]

just a footnote; but not for discussion nor argument. Jesus , after resurrected, had (and has) flesh and bones.
also,
God, Jesus, and Angels are male in heaven. Simple.

The bride is female.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

"a bride" is female. the body of Christ is referred to as His bride, a parable, simile, or illustration , but that in no way makes the men female.
and, why even bring it up?