Christians are not under laws or rules. Because "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believes" Romans 10:4. Jesus nailed the law to his cross, Colossians 2:14. I believe the scriptures. What do you believe?
Another Gospel?
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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
Join For His Glory for a discussion on how
https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
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Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
https://christianforums.net/threads/psalm-70-1-save-me-o-god-lord-help-me-now.108509/
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I believe we need to love God, as the law commands and as Jesus testified to. Why are you asking me something that should be obvious to you from what I already posted? And why do you think loving God is no longer a commandment we should be abiding by?
Answer both.
If you need to be commanded to love the Lord what is that worth? We love the Lord because he is kind, loving and just. Not because we are commanded to. All that are indwelt with the Holy Spirit will love the Lord. We love him because he first loved us, 1 John 4:19.
I am not concerned about sin. Jesus has dealt with our sin. We are complete in him, Colossians 2:10.
Robert, to teach that there are no longer any commandments, and Christians simply are what they are, runs completely contrary to both the Gospels and the epistles. If it were simply a matter of "be indwell by the Holy Spirit," there would be one admonition and one admonition only, but there is not.
??? Salvation is what God does for us. Through Christ, He saves us. We must know and accept that this is so, and exercise trust in Christ as our Savior and Lord, but the saving of us is entirely God's doing.
If a man has a cancerous tumor removed from his brain by a surgeon, has his acceptance of the fact that he has a tumor, and his trust in the surgeon to remove it, been the means of his being saved from the effects of the tumor? Or is it, finally, the work of the surgeon that saves him? The diseased man can accept his cancer diagnosis and believe the surgeon can remove it from his body all he likes, but if he doesn't ever get on the operating table and receive the life-giving work of the surgeon, he will surely die. By what, then, is the man truly saved? By his accepting that he is sick and needs a surgeon? By his trusting in the surgeon to successfully remove his tumor? No. Only by the work of the surgeon - a work to which the dying man cannot contribute in the slightest - is he saved from the deadly effect of his tumor.
Likewise, the sinner who accepts that he is desperately sin-sick and in need of the healing work of the Great Physician and believes that the Great Physician can save him from his spiritual "disease," in the end can only receive from the Great Physician his saving work. What, then, of making one's faith the linch-pin of one's salvation? Is it really the crucial key to being saved? No. Salvation is not the act of believing, it is not faith exercised in the right thing, but a Person, Jesus Christ, in whom we obtain eternal, spiritual life. He is my salvation.
John 1:4, 12.
John 10:7-10.
John 14:6.
Acts 4:12.
1 Timothy 2:5.
1 John 5:11-12.
Those that need laws, rules and religion most likely are not indwelt with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the Christians guide and keeper, not the law, John 16:13-14.
While Jesus was on the earth in his human form God remained in heaven. God is not the savior; Jesus is the one that provided salvation for fallen man. It is not good theology to attribute to the Father that which was accomplished by the Son.
Sin is not a spiritual disease. Sin is rebellion against God. Faith does not save us; faith is what makes the Gospel ours. No one will be saved without faith in Christ.
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1 Timothy 1:1
1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus according to the commandment of God our Savior, and of Christ Jesus, who is our hope,
Titus 3:4-6
4 But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared,
5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,
6 whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
In any case, your remark above deflects from the point I made in my last post: Salvation is a Person, not the exercise of the sinner's faith in the right direction.
Sin as a "disease" is an obviously metaphorical idea, not a literal one.
Correct, faith doesn't save us; our salvation is in the work and Person of Jesus Christ. And, yes, if one doesn't trust in him to save them, they cannot be saved. This makes the question of "faith alone," though, somewhat tangential to the matter of salvation, it seems to me. Besides, the Bible is crystal clear that our good deeds have nothing to do with the saving work of Jesus.
Ephesians 2:8-9.
2 Timothy 1:9.
Titus 3:5-7.
One Gospel Mr. Pate; you know that. The Gospel of the Kingdom of GOD.
How've you been?
The Holy Spirit enables one to keep the law so that even Gentiles become a law unto themselves. Those who despise the law are those who do not have the Holy Spirit.
No one can keep the law. The law is the nature and character of God. The only one that Kept the law was Jesus Christ.
Jesus can't keep the law even today? And if Jesus can keep the law, is He within us or is He not?
Jesus was the law of God incarnate in human flesh, Romans 3:21.
Jesus indwells believers by the Holy Spirit. But believers do not possess the virtues of Christ. Christians are sinners saved by grace, Romans 5:8.
Oooh...
See here is where your position shows its weakness, Robert. Yes Christians are saved by grace, but you can't teach that they should not possess the virtues of Christ. There are too many scriptures that fly in the face of it.
The law is the law of faith, not the Mosaic law.
Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
That is why, whatsoever is not of faith is sin. ( not believing in Christ we die in our sins/doubt and we are damned.)
John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Romans 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.