anti-Christ

[Gendou Ikari]

I see the AntiChrist as the Devil in all of us.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 (King James Version) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

The Beast is virtually the same as the AntiChrist.

Revelation 13:18 (King James Version) Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man[a Human]; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

So, rathering than looking outside for the AntiChrist and Beast in a future Apocalypse, look inside your very soul - the true battleground. The Apocalypse is here and in you.

Revelation 1:3 (King James Version) Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

 

[lovely]

Jesus is God, the second person in the Trinity, the Son, and those who deny it are deceivers, and deceived, of the spirit of the antichrist. 1 John 4:3

2 Peter 2:1-3
1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

This is the fate of these prideful, deceptive ones, who deny that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, God...has come in the flesh.

2 Peter 2:12-15
12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;

They are the dogs that we are to cast out of the temple, and they have returned to their vomit.

2 Peter 2:18-22
18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Be careful believers, and beware deceivers. The Lord bless His reading here.

 

[mutzrein]

Jesus is God, the second person in the Trinity, the Son, and those who deny it are deceivers, and deceived, of the spirit of the antichrist. 1 John 4:3

Lovely, this is not what 1 John 4:3 states.

Here is 1 John 4:1-6

1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,
3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.
5 They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them.
6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

Now I acknowledge everything that this scripture says. And I hold fast to it because I am born of the Spirit of God. And it is by this same Spirit that God has given me understanding of who Jesus is.

And yet, if I state that Jesus is the Son of God, but not God, how is it then you need to add to scripture in order to make the accusation that I am a deceiver and of the spirit of the anti-christ?

Lovely – you have seen my posts. You know the manner in which I write and I believe you would acknowledge the Spirit which has given me understanding of the gospel and the righteousness that is ours through faith in Christ.

So I believe you have a dilemma. How can I write these things and how can I be born of God and yet not believe as you do? It confounds you doesn’t it.

 

[Solo]

Jesus is God, the second person in the Trinity, the Son, and those who deny it are deceivers, and deceived, of the spirit of the antichrist. 1 John 4:3

Lovely, this is not what 1 John 4:3 states.

Here is 1 John 4:1-6

1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,
3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.
5 They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them.
6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

Now I acknowledge everything that this scripture says. And I hold fast to it because I am born of the Spirit of God. And it is by this same Spirit that God has given me understanding of who Jesus is.

And yet, if I state that Jesus is the Son of God, but not God, how is it then you need to add to scripture in order to make the accusation that I am a deceiver and of the spirit of the anti-christ?

Lovely – you have seen my posts. You know the manner in which I write and I believe you would acknowledge the Spirit which has given me understanding of the gospel and the righteousness that is ours through faith in Christ.

So I believe you have a dilemma. How can I write these things and how can I be born of God and yet not believe as you do? It confounds you doesn’t it.

It doesn't confound me, and I believe that you have the dilemma, for the demonic spirits believe as you, so what spirit do you have that indwells you?

23 And there was in their synagogue a man with an unclean spirit; and he cried out, 24 Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God. 25 And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him. 26 And when the unclean spirit had torn him, and cried with a loud voice, he came out of him. Mark 1:23-26

28 And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way. 29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time? 30 And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding. 31 So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine. 32 And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters. Matthew 8:28-32

I will repost my initial response again.

Jesus is the one and only Christ. He came to his own and they did not receive him. Jesus explains to the Jews that he is the Son of God, the one who "proceeded forth and came from God". The Jews heard Jesus claim to be the "I am" God, so they gathered up stones to cast at him for blasphemy, claiming to be God.

58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. John 8:58-59

The high priest asked Jesus is he was the Christ. Jesus replied in the manner whereby the high priest rent his clothes saying, "He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy. 66 What think ye?" The scribes and the elders replied, "He is guilty of death" (Matthew 26). They recognized that by claiming to be the Christ, he was claiming to be God.

60 And the high priest stood up in the midst, and asked Jesus, saying, Answerest thou nothing? what is it which these witness against thee? 61 But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? 62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. 63 Then the high priest rent his clothes, and saith, What need we any further witnesses? 64 Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death. Mark 14:60-63

In the winter at Jerusalem, the feast of the dedication, Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch where he was asked whether he be the Christ. Jesus answered that he was, so the Jews picked up stones to stone him. Jesus asked them for what good works were they going to stone him for, and they replied that it wasn't for the good works that he was going to be stoned, but because he was a man claiming to be God.

24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. 25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. 26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. 30 I and my Father are one. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. John 10:24-33

With the understanding that the Jewish leaders had at that time, the Christ would be God; therefore, when Jesus spoke of being the Christ, they believed he was a blasphemer which required being stoned by the law. Today the New Age theology teaches that other individuals can attain the "Christ" position with the "Christ Consciousness", and this teaching has watered down the meaning of Christ. The Jewish leaders recognized that Jesus claiming to be the Christ meant that he was claiming to be the "I am", God Almighty.

With the understanding that the Christ is God, then the spirit of antichrist is that which denies that Jesus is God.

22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 1 John 2:22-23

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[Spirit Driven]

Hi Guys....
The more I read scripture, the more I see that Jesus is refered to as the son of God, many times do I see this in Scripture.
How many verses would you have to copy and paste here from the Bible ?

Sounds rather normal to me, we have sons, God had a son too, born of a woman, do you think it is possible, that some unbelievers are so blind to such simple truth, that they do not relise they are unbelievers, and not Christian at all.
( they dont believe what scripture tells them, they do not believe the Gospel = unbeliever)

Scary thought eh!

Grace and Peace to you all

 

[mutzrein]

Solo - Why am I not surprised that you question the Spirit that dwells within me? As for the inference that you make by quoting scripture about men possessed with unclean spirits I am mindful the pharisees also accused Jesus of the same thing.

You know Solo - I think I've been through each and every one of the points which you have used to try to bolster your accusations concerning my relationship with the Lord. Now unless you can come up with something new I really have nothing more to say to you in this regard.

 

[John the Baptist]

Thanks Friend, this post surely helps to see who is 'whom's post' on the board here! ---John
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Jesus is God, the second person in the Trinity, the Son, and those who deny it are deceivers, and deceived, of the spirit of the antichrist. 1 John 4:3

2 Peter 2:1-3
1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

This is the fate of these prideful, deceptive ones, who deny that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, God...has come in the flesh.

2 Peter 2:12-15
12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;

They are the dogs that we are to cast out of the temple, and they have returned to their vomit.

2 Peter 2:18-22
18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Be careful believers, and beware deceivers. The Lord bless His reading here.

 

[Spirit Driven]

but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. 1 John 4:3

Nowhere does this say that Jesus is God.....we all know that Jesus is from God, he is Gods only begotton Son, born of a Woman....remember.

Grace and Peace to you

 

[Spirit Driven]

God has sent His only begotten Son into the world so that we might live through Him (1 John 4:9).
God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through Him (John 3:17).
The Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world (1 John 4:14)
The Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth (John 1:14).
There is One God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all (Ephesians 4:6).
The Son gives life to whom He wishes (Greek: wills) (John 5:21).
God gave Jesus authority over all mankind, that to all whom God hast given Him, He may give eternal life (John 17:2).
This is the will of Him who sent Jesus, that of all that the Father has given the Son He lose nothing (John 6:39)
No one can come to Christ unless the Father who sent Him draws (Greek: drags) him (John 6:44)
No one can come to Christ unless it has been granted him from the Father (John 6:65).

No where in Scripture does it say that God is Jesus..... there is God the Father...... and Jesus his only begotton Son.... pretty simple really, the truth always is.
Mind you.... its your choice if you choose not to believe the Gospel... that would make you an unbeliever though.

Grace and Peace to you

 

[John the Baptist]

Mutz, John here:
You say..
"Now I acknowledge everything that this scripture says. And I hold fast to it because I am born of the Spirit of God. And it is by this same Spirit that God has given me understanding of who Jesus is.

And yet, if I state that Jesus is the Son of God, but not God, how is it then you need to add to scripture in order to make the accusation that I am a deceiver and of the spirit of the anti-christ?

Lovely – you have seen my posts. You know the manner in which I write and I believe you would acknowledge the Spirit which has given me understanding of the gospel and the righteousness that is ours through faith in Christ."
____________

John the Baptist here:
Look at it this way from my end? :wink: The Word is not John's, It is ALL Christ's Words used by 'pen', by men with their Inspired Testimony of Christ. Matthew 4:4 is how we are to understand John's Testimony of the DOCTRINE of Christ. Just a verse or two from John's pen only in part, is not enoughT! OK?

We cannot take a verse or two to get the 'whole picture'. The Word say's this in 2 Timothy 3:16. But even if one did this in ignorance, and took a few 'only, but not ALL' of Johns penned Words, this would surely be seen to be required even by the ignorant ones of the previous verses that I have inserted? ('i' would think) if they even did this, they will find much more on the required knowledge of the ETERNAL GOSPEL OF CHRIST than you offer from the above!! (no sarcasm intended!) :fadein:

I don't want to offend you. I am talking to your post! :fadein: (you know me?) Anyhow, John also penned 1 John 2:4. Surely with the Word of God being the same, yesterday and today, and forever, how could this 1 John verse be left out of the Gospel of Christ and still be the Eternal Gospel of Christ?? : (Revelation 14:6) Check Ecclesiastes 3:14 also.

So, please remember that your sentence below, has found the 'Nothing New Under The Sun' Truth verses, applyable to all of us at one time or another! :wink: Yet, we will never find anyone who is 'Led of the Holy Spirit' (Romans 8:14) not being found where you say that 'we' have this dilemma! :wink:

You say:
"So I believe you have a dilemma. How can I write these things and how can I be born of God and yet not believe as you do? It confounds you doesn’t it."
_________________
The Spirit gives birth to spirit

 

[destiny]

Mutzrein , For the record I can see from your posts that you are a man of God. You acknowledge Jesus as your Lord and savior and you know that only through Him is eternal life. You have made that very clear.
I am so sorry that some members of the body of Christ cannot discern their own brother.


John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Mutzrein believes the above scripture and he believes Jesus is the ONLY way to the father as the word states.
I appreciate him as a brother and get a lot out of his posts because the Holy Spirit speaks through him ....as He does the ones who acciuse him.
Again, I just wish the body of Christ could discern it's own parts.

 

[Imagican]

Even when the 'truth' if offered THROUGH The Spirit, there are STILL those tht will deny it.

I have YET to see ONE post of Mutz'z that denies that Jesus Christ IS the Son of God. NOT ONE that denies that Christ CAME IN THE FLESH. What I see are those that choose to create a 'new' God in Christ. If THIS isn't 'anti-Christ', then I don't know what is.

Christ told us WHO He IS, God told us WHO Christ IS. The apostles told us WHO Christ IS. That the CC told us 'something different' makes it of NO EFFECT.

It becomes OBVIOUS by the NATURE of the responses and the VEHEMENCE towards their 'brothers and sisters' WHO has accepted The Word and who HAS accepted 'something else'.

People, it's NOT about WHO you 'want' Christ to BE. It's a matter of WHO Christ IS. And NO amount of manipulation of scripture can CHANGE this. Either one accepts Christ on HIS terms or they 'create' a 'different' Christ. A 'false god' of sorts.

Now, if one were to 'change' Christ into 'something' that HE IS NOT, wouldn't this 'TRULY' be 'anti-Christ'?

MEC

 

[jgredline]

John
I agree with you 100%. This thread does reveal who is who.
I thank the good Shepard, God himself; Jesus Christ..
I thank the Good Lord for those willing to stand up to the teachings of the spirit of the antichrist.

Right now I am off to Church to worship the one true God. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The same God who the Apostle Peter worshiped the Lord Jesus Christ himself.

2 peter 1:1
1 Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

I am sure many of you will have a hard time with this verse and like the devil who is the father of lies you will distort the truth or say that the writings of Peter do not count..

I am off to church.
Javier

 

[destiny]

John
I agree with you 100%. This thread does reveal who is who.
I thank the good Shepard, God himself; Jesus Christ..
I thank the Good Lord for those willing to stand up to the teachings of the spirit of the antichrist.

Right now I am off to Church to worship the one true God. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The same God who the Apostle Peter worshiped the Lord Jesus Christ himself.

2 peter 1:1
1 Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

I am sure many of you will have a hard time with this verse and like the devil who is the father of lies you will distort the truth or say that the writings of Peter do not count..

I am off to church.
Javier

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Matt.28:18
Jesus is God as far as i'm concerned, yet is the Son of God as the word clearly states. Sort of a mystery to those of us who don't know it all.
I've not met many "mainstream" christians who see the God head exactly the same.
I have always counted those who believe in the supremacy of Christ Jesus as the only way of salvation, and who don't malign or pervert His character, as my brothers and sisters in Christ.
Those who go on the attack against such as those are proud and arrogant.
There are those who pervert who God is and make His blood and grace cheap and meaningless by teaching that a person doesn't have to be born again through the Son, and there are those who turn others away from the kingdom because they are modern day pharisees.
Discern those, discern the ones who preach a Jesus who isn't supreme and all powerful.
Also discern the ones who are straining at knats and attacking every person for no other reason than semantics.
Thats all I have to say about this topic.

 

[lovely]

mutzrein wrote:

lovely wrote:
[quote:9049c]Jesus is God, the second person in the Trinity, the Son, and those who deny it are deceivers, and deceived, of the spirit of the antichrist. 1 John 4:3

Lovely, this is not what 1 John 4:3 states.

Here is 1 John 4:1-6

1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,
3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.
5 They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them.
6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

Now I acknowledge everything that this scripture says. And I hold fast to it because I am born of the Spirit of God. And it is by this same Spirit that God has given me understanding of who Jesus is.

And yet, if I state that Jesus is the Son of God, but not God, how is it then you need to add to scripture in order to make the accusation that I am a deceiver and of the spirit of the anti-christ?

Lovely – you have seen my posts. You know the manner in which I write and I believe you would acknowledge the Spirit which has given me understanding of the gospel and the righteousness that is ours through faith in Christ.

So I believe you have a dilemma. How can I write these things and how can I be born of God and yet not believe as you do? It confounds you doesn’t it.[/quote:9049c]


No, mutz, it doesn't confound me...it grieves me, hurts me, and saddens me deeply, but it doesn't confound me, because deception always contains some truth, just not all of it. That is the very character of the tares. I agree with some of your posts, and some of Imagican's, and even some of George's, but that doesn't mean that I must accept this deception (or any teaching that doesn't align with the Word)...and that is what it is.

John tells us there is no lie in the Truth. This is part of identifying what is sound. The Truth about who Jesus Christ is matters, and the spirit of the antichrist is clearly revealed here for those who will hear His voice, and come out from among them...the deceivers, and the deceived. This spirit will Not be obvious to many, and will deceive by using part of the truth...enough to establish credibility...but God's child must stand against it because only he will hear the truth, even if that means losing a friend, or a family member. We must love Christ more, and trust the Spirit of God above all...

Consider Galatians1:6-10...
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

Destiny thinks that I am persecuting you, but I am not. I love you, and I like you, and it is my hope that you will hear the Lord on this matter, and I have not lost faith that you won't. There are things that you and I agree on, but on this matter I believe you have been seriously deceived, and I am hoping that the Truth of the Word will turn you from this false teaching, and help you to decidedly be given over to His Truth. I will not stop telling you the Truth because it offends you, or others here, and the accusation that I am persecuting you puts the focus on you, not Christ...this effort to implement false teaching by manipulation is also a tactic of the antichrist. I care about you too much to lie to you to make you feel better in the here, and now, but I also reject any teaching that is not of God, and will lead the little ones away. I love you, and it's my hope that you will repent, but I will also resist the evil one and expose false doctrines. I care too much for Christ to deny Him, and who He is, because I owe Him all.

What would you say if I asked you to deny that the Father is God? Could you? Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and He is God. John 1:1 (along with many other verses that I have shared before), and in light of this truth 1 John 4:3 supports exactly what I said. I reject the slander that I have added to Scripture to cast you in a false light...you have put yourself there by not receiving the Truth. Accept the Truth, and do not deny Christ His divine, and eternal, right to the inheritance that He has allowed us to take part in. Do not deny the Eternal Covenant that Christ upheld. If stating that Truth openly, and directly, puts me in a bad light with the world, and even with those who may be my brothers, and sisters, then I endure that for Christ, and for the sake of those who are in this snare, and need to know, and I count it great gain.

We have had this discussion before, all of us posting here have...with the exception of a few new ones maybe...but we know where it is we all stand. Why should I deny the Truth that is in me, the Spirit that is in me, for the sake of appearing unified under the umbrella of a lie born out of the very spirit that the Bible warns us about? I take it seriously, and if these words are used against me, and my family, one day by the evil one...I welcome it. May the Lord shine His Truth to all who are reading here.

 

[Poke]

Now, in raising this issue, I am not wanting to promote any specific theology but surely if a person acknowledges that Jesus is the Christ he should not have to suffer this accusation irrespective of another element of his theology that is not commonly accepted by Christendom.

Jews, more than any other groups, are Antichrist. They actively deny that Jesus is of God and by holding to the Judast religion, they even share the guilt of killing Jesus and believe that Jesus is spending eternity in Hell, in boiling [censored]. Muslims claim Jesus is of God, just a great prophet. Atheists and Hindus may be a bit Antichrist, but they don't find the issue relevant.

So, if Jews are Antichrist, what does that make "Christians" who idolize them? Christians who want to judaize Christianity? They claim that the Antichrist Jews are children of God (Jesus said they're children of Satan). Some of these Christians even want to help build the temple for the Antichrist (according to their own beliefs).

Many Christians look at Mormons and say "Their Jesus isn't the real Jesus because he has brothers and grandparents". Many Christians look at Muslims and say "Their God isn't the real God because Allah doesn't have a son." Following this logic, Zionist Christians themselves are Antichrist because their Christ isn't the real Christ. All who belong to the real Christ are children of Abraham and citizens of the true Israel. All who say Jews are children of God and that the state of Israel is God's, are Antichrist blasphemers.

Zionism is a satanic doctrine and nothing but evil comes from it.

 

[Georges]

GEORGE!?!
Is it your intention to make every thread in this forum an anti-Paul debate?
STOP IT!

Just looking out for ya Gabby....BTW....what part of my post is wrong?.....

Did Paul state "likeness" or not?

 

[Georges]

Still no one denies that Paul claims Jesus came in the LIKENESS of men....or the LIKENESS of sinful flesh......

Why isn't anyone addressing that? No response? Don't know? Scared of the consequences of reality? What is it folks?

John plainly says anyone who doesn't believe that Christ came in the (not likeness) flesh is the antichrist...


And I'm the one being accused of having the spirit of the antichrist because I brought this point out... :roll:

 

[Gabbylittleangel]

Just looking out for ya Gabby....BTW....what part of my post is wrong?.....

Did Paul state "likeness" or not?

Georges, I am not going to spend my time doing research to tell you "Yes it is" for everytime you post "No it isn't".

You are not "looking out for me". You would need to have some credibility in order to do that, and you done lost it all, boy!

You are attempting to sow doubt and unbelief, and sow discord among the brethren, and you are taking away from the Word of God. All of these things God hates, and curses.

1Ti 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

You have totally lost sight of the fact that Christians have a relationship with God. The mediator is not Georges. I do appreciate your concern though. My suggestion is that you spend as much time talking to the Lord about those of us on this forum that disagree with you, as you do trying to persuade us. That way, He can correct us by the power of His untampered Word, Holy Ghost, Spirit, or significant other source of power.

 

[Georges]

Just looking out for ya Gabby....BTW....what part of my post is wrong?.....

Did Paul state "likeness" or not?

Georges, I am not going to spend my time doing research to tell you "Yes it is" for everytime you post "No it isn't".

Yet below you did.....thanks....You responded to my post, I responded to yours.

You are not "looking out for me". You would need to have some credibility in order to do that, and you done lost it all, boy!

And still the fact remains...I'm looking out for you...credibility aside.

You are attempting to sow doubt and unbelief, and sow discord among the brethren, and you are taking away from the Word of God. All of these things God hates, and curses.

If doubt and belief causes you to persue truth then...guilty as charged. I don't think God hates a seeker of truth....BTW, I'm taking nothing away from the word of God....I accept the Tanach as God's inspired word without question...

1Ti 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Thanks for researching that...I didn't think you were going to do it, but glad I got under your skin enough to research that much. If you find one more verse like the one above, that will cancel out the 2 LIKENESS verses I posted in the thread above.....

You have totally lost sight of the fact that Christians have a relationship with God.

How do you know that...? Certainly not by anything I've ever posted. It's not for me to judge anothers relationship with God....

The mediator is not Georges.

Nor do I claim to be, except in family affairs of course....

I do appreciate your concern though. My suggestion is that you spend as much time talking to the Lord about those of us on this forum that disagree with you, as you do trying to persuade us.

You have me confused with yourself I think....I don't talk about anyone on the forum....Personally, if someone disagrees with me...I don't go and cry to mama about it....I figure that's their right to do if they like....I just don't care for someone to call me antichrist when they can't come up with an answer to my questions....

That way, He can correct us by the power of His untampered Word, Holy Ghost, Spirit, or significant other source of power.

Untampered word? Lets not go there, unless you really want to.....hopefully you know better than that....

Gabby....are you losing it?