Are All who call upon the Name of the LORD Jesus saved? What can disqualify a "caller"?

[Cnkw3]

Here is what happens….
When you say your little sinners prayer and then think you are saved there after then you are not “calling on the name of the Lord”. You are calling on the name of Billy Graham. You are calling on the name of charles Stanley. Why? Because it was Billy Graham that told you to say that prayer and not God. God NEVER told you to say a prayer in order to be saved. You CAN NOT “call on the name of the Lord” for salvation through prayer because the Lord NEVER told you to do that for salvation. It is a pathetic false doctrine that millions have fallen for.

 

[Free]

HaHA. That’s funny. Slick , but funny. The passages I mentioned about prayer literally mentioned the word “prayer”. So, how did we know that it was referring to prayer? Because the Bible said so!!!!
Then he turned his face to the wall, and prayed unto the Lord, saying,
2 Kings 20:2
And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
Matthew 26:39
These people talked to God. That is prayer. How do I know that…because the Bible called it PRAYER. Not me. I didnt make anything up, I didnt add anything to the text I let the Bible tell me what it was.
Nowhere in Rom 10:13 is the word “PRAYER”. So when you say that it is referring to prayer that is your false definition because the Bible in the NT NEVER refers to “calling on the name of the lord” as prayer. I have asked you to show it to me. Now that I have proven what a Biblical definition of prayer is it is your turn.

It doesn't matter if the word "prayer" isn't mentioned in Rom 10:13 or used in conjunction with calling on the name of the Lord. If prayer is "talking to God," then "calling on the name of the Lord" is prayer. And we know that God responds to the prayers of sinners.

Show me where the BIBLE defines “calling on the name of the Lord” as PRAYER.

Is "calling on the name of the Lord" talking to God or is it not? Why are you now wanting to define prayer differently than you already have?

Not that it matters, but since you asked:

Psa 116:4 Then I called on the name of the LORD: “O LORD, I pray, deliver my soul!”

No! The NT never says it Is. If you can prove me different then show it.
“calling on the name of the Lord” is being obedient to his plan for salvation. You are submitting to his authority. That’s what doing something “in his name” means. It means you recognize that God has the authority and power to tell you what to do and its up to you to do it. You don’t “pray” out to him. You just do what he says! THAT IS FAITH!

There are many different uses and meanings of "calling on the name of the Lord." These are all the ones I could find:

Gen_4:26 To Seth also a son was born, and he called his name Enosh. At that time people began to call upon the name of the LORD.

Gen_12:8 From there he moved to the hill country on the east of Bethel and pitched his tent, with Bethel on the west and Ai on the east. And there he built an altar to the LORD and called upon the name of the LORD.

Gen_13:4 to the place where he had made an altar at the first. And there Abram called upon the name of the LORD.

Gen_21:33 Abraham planted a tamarisk tree in Beersheba and called there on the name of the LORD, the Everlasting God.

Gen_26:25 So he built an altar there and called upon the name of the LORD and pitched his tent there. And there Isaac's servants dug a well.

1Ki_18:24 And you call upon the name of your god, and I will call upon the name of the LORD, and the God who answers by fire, he is God.” And all the people answered, “It is well spoken.”

2Ki_5:11 But Naaman was angry and went away, saying, “Behold, I thought that he would surely come out to me and stand and call upon the name of the LORD his God, and wave his hand over the place and cure the leper.

1Ch_16:8 Oh give thanks to the LORD; call upon his name; make known his deeds among the peoples!

Psa_99:6 Moses and Aaron were among his priests, Samuel also was among those who called upon his name. They called to the LORD, and he answered them.

Psa_116:4 Then I called on the name of the LORD: “O LORD, I pray, deliver my soul!”

Psa_116:13 I will lift up the cup of salvation and call on the name of the LORD,

Psa_116:17 I will offer to you the sacrifice of thanksgiving and call on the name of the LORD.

Isa_12:4 And you will say in that day: “Give thanks to the LORD, call upon his name, make known his deeds among the peoples, proclaim that his name is exalted.

Lam_3:55 “I called on your name, O LORD, from the depths of the pit;

Lam 3:56 you heard my plea, ‘Do not close your ear to my cry for help!’

Act_2:21 And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.’

Rom_10:12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him.

Rom_10:13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

1Co_1:2 To the church of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints together with all those who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, both their Lord and ours:

2Ti_2:22 So flee youthful passions and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, along with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart.

How many have you found? Any that I missed?

 

[hawkman]

Here is what happens….
When you say your little sinners prayer and then think you are saved there after then you are not “calling on the name of the Lord”. You are calling on the name of Billy Graham. You are calling on the name of charles Stanley. Why? Because it was Billy Graham that told you to say that prayer and not God. God NEVER told you to say a prayer in order to be saved. You CAN NOT “call on the name of the Lord” for salvation through prayer because the Lord NEVER told you to do that for salvation. It is a pathetic false doctrine that millions have fallen for.

I was sitting on a pew in church , I was a sinner a non-Christian . The preacher preached a sermon and I was under convection for my sins , I knew I was an unrepentant sinner . I went to the alter at the church and confessed to Jesus I was a sinner and I wanted Him to be my savior .

The question is for you Cnkw3 is , Am I saved ?

 

[Cnkw3]

It doesn't matter if the word "prayer" isn't mentioned in Rom 10:13 or used in conjunction with calling on the name of the Lord. If prayer is "talking to God," then "calling on the name of the Lord" is prayer. And we know that God responds to the prayers of sinners.

This is great. You beat on me for several post about the ”Bible definition”. Now you don’t even care if there is a Bible definition or not. You just want to call something prayer that the Bible doesn’t. This is you making up your own definition.

Is "calling on the name of the Lord" talking to God or is it not? Why are you now wanting to define prayer differently than you already have?

No it isn’t. You dint read my post again. I explained it thoroughly

Not that it matters, but since you asked:

Psa 116:4 Then I called on the name of the LORD: “O LORD, I pray, deliver my soul!”


There are many different uses and meanings of "calling on the name of the Lord." These are all the ones I could find:

Gen_4:26 To Seth also a son was born, and he called his name Enosh. At that time people began to call upon the name of the LORD.

Gen_12:8 From there he moved to the hill country on the east of Bethel and pitched his tent, with Bethel on the west and Ai on the east. And there he built an altar to the LORD and called upon the name of the LORD.

Gen_13:4 to the place where he had made an altar at the first. And there Abram called upon the name of the LORD.

Gen_21:33 Abraham planted a tamarisk tree in Beersheba and called there on the name of the LORD, the Everlasting God.

Gen_26:25 So he built an altar there and called upon the name of the LORD and pitched his tent there. And there Isaac's servants dug a well.

1Ki_18:24 And you call upon the name of your god, and I will call upon the name of the LORD, and the God who answers by fire, he is God.” And all the people answered, “It is well spoken.”

2Ki_5:11 But Naaman was angry and went away, saying, “Behold, I thought that he would surely come out to me and stand and call upon the name of the LORD his God, and wave his hand over the place and cure the leper.

1Ch_16:8 Oh give thanks to the LORD; call upon his name; make known his deeds among the peoples!

Psa_99:6 Moses and Aaron were among his priests, Samuel also was among those who called upon his name. They called to the LORD, and he answered them.

Psa_116:4 Then I called on the name of the LORD: “O LORD, I pray, deliver my soul!”

Psa_116:13 I will lift up the cup of salvation and call on the name of the LORD,

Psa_116:17 I will offer to you the sacrifice of thanksgiving and call on the name of the LORD.

Isa_12:4 And you will say in that day: “Give thanks to the LORD, call upon his name, make known his deeds among the peoples, proclaim that his name is exalted.

Lam_3:55 “I called on your name, O LORD, from the depths of the pit;

Lam 3:56 you heard my plea, ‘Do not close your ear to my cry for help!’

Every single bit of this is the OT. What law do you live under? They tithed in the OT. Is there tithing in the new? No.
They remembered the sabbath in the OT. Do we in the new? Did they have to believe on the resurrected Lord in the OT? Do we in the new? They sacrificed animals in the OT. Do we in the new? Has the law changed or not. I said that the “NT never defines “calling on the name of the lord” as prayer And it doesn’t. Feel free to show me where it does.

Act_2:21 And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.’

Rom_10:12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him.

Rom_10:13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

1Co_1:2 To the church of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints together with all those who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, both their Lord and ours:

2Ti_2:22 So flee youthful passions and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, along with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart.

How many have you found? Any that I missed?

Yes I know the phrase is in the NT. I showed a couple to you myself. The question is not….Is the phrase in the NT.
The question is…..Is the phrase, in the NT, defined as prayer? And no it is not. Nothing you showed me above even mentions the word prayer. But yes you did leave one out and I suspect that you did it on purpose because it really doesnt help your cause.
This was the instruction given to Saul who had PRAYING FOR THREE DAYS. Now if anybody should be saved from prayer it should have been Saul. But what was he told?
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, CALLING ON THE NAME OF THE LORD.
Acts 22:16
So a praying man was told to get up and pray some more! Right? Haha. I don’t think so. This is a Biblical commentary on what ”calling on the name of the Lord” means under the new covenant. Let’s let the Bible define it not you and Billy Graham.

 

[Cnkw3]

I was sitting on a pew in church , I was a sinner a non-Christian . The preacher preached a sermon and I was under convection for my sins , I knew I was an unrepentant sinner . I went to the alter at the church and confessed to Jesus I was a sinner and I wanted Him to be my savior .

The question is for you Cnkw3 is , Am I saved ?

I will ask you this. Can you show me an example in the NT where anybody did what you just described? Went to the altar. Did you pray for salvation?

 

[Free]

This is great. You beat on me for several post about the ”Bible definition”. Now you don’t even care if there is a Bible definition or not. You just want to call something prayer that the Bible doesn’t. This is you making up your own definition.

No, I'm simply using your definition to show that you are not using it consistently. This shows that you are putting your own ideas ahead of what Scripture states. You said that prayer is talking to God. Since "calling on the name of the Lord" includes talking to God, either it is prayer or your definition is wrong.

No it isn’t. You dint read my post again. I explained it thoroughly

You're going in circles trying to avoid the obvious conclusion.

Every single bit of this is the OT. What law do you live under? They tithed in the OT. Is there tithing in the new? No.
They remembered the sabbath in the OT. Do we in the new? Did they have to believe on the resurrected Lord in the OT? Do we in the new? They sacrificed animals in the OT. Do we in the new? Has the law changed or not.

You really should throw out the OT; you don't need it. But, of course, all of this is a red herring, irrelevant to the point at hand, since it has nothing to do with the Law.

I said that the “NT never defines “calling on the name of the lord” as prayer And it doesn’t. Feel free to show me where it does.

You did say that, but you also asked: "Show me where the BIBLE defines “calling on the name of the Lord” as PRAYER." You even quoted my response.

Yes I know the phrase is in the NT. I showed a couple to you myself. The question is not….Is the phrase in the NT.
The question is…..Is the phrase, in the NT, defined as prayer? And no it is not. Nothing you showed me above even mentions the word prayer. But yes you did leave one out and I suspect that you did it on purpose because it really doesnt help your cause.
This was the instruction given to Saul who had PRAYING FOR THREE DAYS. Now if anybody should be saved from prayer it should have been Saul. But what was he told?
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, CALLING ON THE NAME OF THE LORD.
Acts 22:16
So a praying man was told to get up and pray some more! Right? Haha. I don’t think so. This is a Biblical commentary on what ”calling on the name of the Lord” means under the new covenant. Let’s let the Bible define it not you and Billy Graham.

Perhaps you have missed the finer point that Rom 10:13 is quoting Joel 2:32, so in no way whatsoever can we discount what the OT says on the matter. My point here was to show your error of believing that "calling on the name of the Lord" only had one meaning.

Besides, if "calling on the name of the Lord" doesn't actually include talking to God, that is, calling out to God for help, whether a believer or unbeliever, whether for salvation or otherwise, then why is it referred to as "calling"?

 

[hawkman]

I will ask you this. Can you show me an example in the NT where anybody did what you just described? Went to the altar. Did you pray for salvation?

I am trying to remember it was a very emotional experience and other things happened along with my salvation when I confessed my need for salvation and needing Jesus as my savior . Did I say a prayer ? Now that you mention it I don't remember saying any prayers in the sense of any needs from the Lord . Best I can remember after @ 40 years it was more of a confession to Jesus at the church altar rather than prayer . Thanks for asking Cnkw3 , I had not really consider it .

I will say this , if a person under conviction responds to God's word and makes that invited walk to the church altar every step they take is a confession that they are a sinner in need of salvation . God understands the desires of our heart and that is what he sees .
Jeremiah 17:10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

Went to the altar ? Noah , Abraham , Jacob , Moses , Aaron , and Elijah . But they did build the altar too . Oh , you said New Testament , sorry .

Can you show me an example in the NT where anybody did what you just described? Went to the altar.

No I see no example . Does that mean all the people that have walked to an altar and confessed their sins and took Jesus as their savior did something wrong , and their salvation is in jeopardy ?

 

[Cnkw3]

I am trying to remember it was a very emotional experience and other things happened along with my salvation when I confessed my need for salvation and needing Jesus as my savior . Did I say a prayer ? Now that you mention it I don't remember saying any prayers in the sense of any needs from the Lord . Best I can remember after @ 40 years it was more of a confession to Jesus at the church altar rather than prayer . Thanks for asking Cnkw3 , I had not really consider it .

I will say this , if a person under conviction responds to God's word and makes that invited walk to the church altar every step they take is a confession that they are a sinner in need of salvation . God understands the desires of our heart and that is what he sees .
Jeremiah 17:10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

Went to the altar ? Noah , Abraham , Jacob , Moses , Aaron , and Elijah . But they did build the altar too . Oh , you said New Testament , sorry .


No I see no example . Does that mean all the people that have walked to an altar and confessed their sins and took Jesus as their savior did something wrong , and their salvation is in jeopardy ?

All i know is what the Bible teaches. Jesus said ”if you love me keep my commandments.“. Did Jesus EVER command someone to go to the altar and “confess their sins” and ”take” him as your savior?
First Jesus never commanded anyone to “confess their sins”. We are told to confess “HIM” with your mouth. Acts 8:37. Rom 10:9. Where does it say for you to go up and confess your sins? Some preacher told you that. The last thing Jesus said to his apostles before he ascended was..
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mark 16:15-16
Then a few days later, during the first gospel sermon we see the audience having a feeling just like you. It said they were “cut to the heart“. They had believed the message preached. When they asked what shall we do; what were they told? Come to the altar and accept Jesus as savior? NO. NO prayer for salvation either.
They were told….repent and be baptized for the remission of their sins and they obeyed. Thats not what you were told and that’s not what you did. So can you honestly say that you are keeping the commandments of the Lord. Sounds like you are keeping the commandments of some man who made up his own plan of salvation. Where am I wrong?

 

[hawkman]

All i know is what the Bible teaches. Jesus said ”if you love me keep my commandments.“.

Amen !

Did Jesus EVER command someone to go to the altar and “confess their sins” and ”take” him as your savior?

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Did you know that question is impossible to answer ?

 

[Cnkw3]

Amen !

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Did you know that question is impossible to answer ?

1 John is written to Christians. You weren’t a christian sitting in the pew and kneeling at some altar. You were a sinner looking for forgiveness. The Bible does not tell an alien sinner to confess their sins. Once becoming a child of God then when that person commits sins they are instructed to repent, confess and pray. 1 Jn 1, acts 8

 

[hawkman]

Here is what happens….
When you say your little sinners prayer and then think you are saved there after then you are not “calling on the name of the Lord”. You are calling on the name of Billy Graham. You are calling on the name of charles Stanley. Why? Because it was Billy Graham that told you to say that prayer and not God. God NEVER told you to say a prayer in order to be saved. You CAN NOT “call on the name of the Lord” for salvation through prayer because the Lord NEVER told you to do that for salvation. It is a pathetic false doctrine that millions have fallen for.

My question for you is , where does this leave these people that go forward and pray at these church services ? A lot of them do not understand the Bible at all other than what the man of God has told them .

 

[jerry63935]

the Watchtower Society;

trains there people rather well. key word is trained a lady the wife and i know just passed away.. as i was reading her obit it stated she had been a southern Baptist most her life, yet recently joined the J.W . I KNOW THE DAUGHTER AND HER HUSBAND AND VERY MUCH SOUTHERN BAPTIST yet they had that printed in her obituary. i am some what confused as to why the added that . yes i am fully ware of the southern baptist teaching on eternal security . for a person to be active for years in the baptist church . then revert to J.W raises serious questions was they truly saved. there is nothing i mean nothing scripture in the j.w . some place around the house i have a nwt j.w Bible that was give to me.. the cross is not used but replaced by a stake .. but with the confusion if one wants to know am i really saved. in the early stages of salvation this will come up. its news its a spiritual birth . but after a period of time scripture tells us we can know . its a know so salvation not think so not hope so not sure But that we may know

1 John 5:13-21

King James Version

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13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.
16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

 

[jerry63935]

My question for you is , where does this leave these people that go forward and pray at these church services ? A lot of them do not understand the Bible at all other than what the man of God has told them .

dont understand what? is there a objection of using the altar to pray ?

 

[jerry63935]

Here is what happens….
When you say your little sinners prayer and then think you are saved there after then you are not “calling on the name of the Lord”. You are calling on the name of Billy Graham. You are calling on the name of charles Stanley. Why? Because it was Billy Graham that told you to say that prayer and not God. God NEVER told you to say a prayer in order to be saved. You CAN NOT “call on the name of the Lord” for salvation through prayer because the Lord NEVER told you to do that for salvation. It is a pathetic false doctrine that millions have fallen for.

its from the heart man believes with the mouth confession is made

You CAN NOT “call on the name of the Lord” for salvation through prayer because the Lord NEVER told you to do that for salvation. It is a pathetic false doctrine that millions have fallen for.

that all depends you do pray the words you say are prayers if a person dont understand one can lead them and yes what to pray.... i have never said hold my hand repeat after me. the night i got saved all i said was God save me and he did

 

[for_his_glory]

trains there people rather well. key word is trained a lady the wife and i know just passed away.. as i was reading her obit it stated she had been a southern Baptist most her life, yet recently joined the J.W . I KNOW THE DAUGHTER AND HER HUSBAND AND VERY MUCH SOUTHERN BAPTIST yet they had that printed in her obituary. i am some what confused as to why the added that . yes i am fully ware of the southern baptist teaching on eternal security . for a person to be active for years in the baptist church . then revert to J.W raises serious questions was they truly saved. there is nothing i mean nothing scripture in the j.w . some place around the house i have a nwt j.w Bible that was give to me.. the cross is not used but replaced by a stake .. but with the confusion if one wants to know am i really saved. in the early stages of salvation this will come up. its news its a spiritual birth . but after a period of time scripture tells us we can know . its a know so salvation not think so not hope so not sure But that we may know

1 John 5:13-21​

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King James Version​

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13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.
16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

We have to understand what that verse means and when we read all of what Jesus said about the signs we are to watch for on those things which must come first, it will only be those who endure all these trials and tribulations before Christ returns.

Php 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Php 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Working out our own salvation is to learn how to live and walk by faith in Christ no matter what tries to come against us, even if we are persecuted to death. It's an easy walk if life goes merrily along, but when oppression comes against us many will fall away from their faith.

I do believe all who will call on the name of the Lord will be saved as long as they endure.

 

[jerry63935]

I do believe all who will call on the name of the Lord will be saved as long as they endure.

endure is in the scripture ..but if not careful to many translate it into .. a work based salvation add conditions as if GOD is in heaven with a big hammer waiting to knock us in the head . i am more than aware of the plan of salvation romans 1:9-10 its a done deal . no begging no pleading just simply call on Jesus from a true sincere heart. man has complicated the plan of salvation, a former pastor got saved sitting on the edge of his bed . saying Lord of you will save me i will do anything you want that has been well over 5 years ..the sinners prayer is Lord save me .

 

[jerry63935]

Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

technically that is from the teaching of the second coming of Christ . certainly we dont need to jump ship but grace will sustain us

 

[hawkman]

dont understand what? is there a objection of using the altar to pray ?

My reference was to a person attending a crusade type revival that may have never even stepped inside a church before . Prayer at the altar is just fine , I have done it before more than once .

 

[for_his_glory]

endure is in the scripture ..but if not careful to many translate it into .. a work based salvation add conditions as if GOD is in heaven with a big hammer waiting to knock us in the head . i am more than aware of the plan of salvation romans 1:9-10 its a done deal . no begging no pleading just simply call on Jesus from a true sincere heart. man has complicated the plan of salvation, a former pastor got saved sitting on the edge of his bed . saying Lord of you will save me i will do anything you want that has been well over 5 years ..the sinners prayer is Lord save me .

No such thing as a work based salvation as it's a free gift by the grace of God. This is why Jesus told the thief on the cross, this day you will be with me in paradise because he called upon the name of the Lord.

 

[for_his_glory]

technically that is from the teaching of the second coming of Christ . certainly we dont need to jump ship but grace will sustain us

Of course it's about the second coming of Christ as God's grace will sustain as, as long as we endure until He returns.