Bible Study Are the Ten Commandments valid for Christians today?

[JLB]

If we define the word Moral Biblically, as Laws and Commandments governing Good and Bad/Evil behaviour, are not all the 613 (?) Laws Moral? Apparently, in Ancient Hebrew the word is Bad and the word Evil is Western equivalent.

Isaiah 7:15 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

15 Butter and honey he doth eat, When he knoweth to refuse evil, and to fix on good.

Do the 613 divide Jew and Gentile or unite them?



JLB

 

[for_his_glory]

With Elohim/God all things are possible!

Matthew 19:26 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

26 And Jesus having earnestly beheld, said to them, `With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.'

What does that have to do with being equipped in the word through the Holy Spirit teaching us first in order to help teach others?

 

[for_his_glory]

If we define the word Moral Biblically, as Laws and Commandments governing Good and Bad/Evil behaviour, are not all the 613 (?) Laws Moral? Apparently, in Ancient Hebrew the word is Bad and the word Evil is Western equivalent.

Isaiah 7:15 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

15 Butter and honey he doth eat, When he knoweth to refuse evil, and to fix on good.

These are are the existing moral laws (commandments) for all of us to still follow as in prayers and blessings, love and brotherhood. The poor and unfortunate, treatment of the Gentiles, Marriage, divorce and family. Forbidden sexual relations, business practices, employees and servants. Vows, oaths, swearing, Court and Judicial procedures. Injuries and damages, property and property rights, criminal laws. Prophecy, idolatry and all its practices as the moral laws (commandments) keep us in line with the will of God.

None of these laws have been abolished.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

I know, I just said it wrong.

Ah well,.. every day should be considered the Sabbath Day anyways.

 

[for_his_glory]

Yes, I agree, but the point I'm getting at is that people shouldn't just assume the Cross has them covered for sins they commit against others. I believe we should still confess our sins to those we wronged and repent from continued sin against them and then atone for any wrong to them to their satisfaction. I think the show My Name is Earl had some good lessons for christian behavior. Old Testament Law dictated this type of atonement to make things right where as nowadays people just seem to say "It's OK Jesus has me covered" then throw the burden on the victim to forgive and get over it.

I never said we could willy-nilly continue to sin thinking it's alright because we are covered by the blood of Jesus. Hebrews 10:16-27 explains willful sin and the sacrifice Jesus already made for the atonement of sin.

I agree we should confess our sin to the one we sinned against and ask them to forgive us as we also ask God to forgive us as we confess to God that we messed up. But, if we do not then we are grieving the Holy Spirit in not being obedient to God's commands as we can not keep nailing Christ to a cross in order for Him to keep sacrificing for us.

 

[daninthelionsden]

Do the 613 divide Jew and Gentile or unite them?



JLB

Back in 2007, I was invited to go to Israel to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. In order to do so, I was going to have to agree to an abbreviated version of the 613 Laws. They had a name for this abbreviated version, but I've long forgotten what they called it. I think it allowed them to fellowship with any Gentile who agreed and practiced this. I would have agreed and gone, but my anxiety disorder precluded any participation on my part. They invite people from around the world each year as a rehearsal for the return of the Messiah and how each nation must come celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles as in Zechariah

 

[JLB]

Back in 2007, I was invited to go to Israel to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. In order to do so, I was going to have to agree to an abbreviated version of the 613 Laws. They had a name for this abbreviated version, but I've long forgotten what they called it. I think it allowed them to fellowship with any Gentile who agreed and practiced this. I would have agreed and gone, but my anxiety disorder precluded any participation on my part. They invite people from around the world each year as a rehearsal for the return of the Messiah and how each nation must come celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles as in Zechariah

Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

Of course the law forbids uncircumcised Gentiles from integrating with the children of Israel.




JLB

 

[daninthelionsden]

Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

Of course the law forbids uncircumcised Gentiles from integrating with the children of Israel.




JLB

Yeah. It wasn't going to make me a Jew. It was just to allow fellowship.

 

[JLB]

Yeah. It wasn't going to make me a Jew. It was just to allow fellowship.

Amen.

 

[Elihoenai]

Do the 613 divide Jew and Gentile or unite them?



JLB

Prayers and thanks be to Elohim/God that he divides Israel/Judah/Jew from Gentile. As Good from Bad/Evil, the Chosen People Israel are separated.

Leviticus 18:2-3 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

2 `Speak unto the sons of Israel, and thou hast said unto them, I [am] Jehovah your God;

3 according to the work of the land of Egypt in which ye have dwelt ye do not, and according to the work of the land of Canaan whither I am bringing you in, ye do not, and in their statutes ye walk not.

 

[Elihoenai]

What does that have to do with being equipped in the word through the Holy Spirit teaching us first in order to help teach others?

Elohim/God gives the Holy Spirit.

John 14:15-17 King James Version (KJV)

15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

 

[Elihoenai]

These are are the existing moral laws (commandments) for all of us to still follow as in prayers and blessings, love and brotherhood. The poor and unfortunate, treatment of the Gentiles, Marriage, divorce and family. Forbidden sexual relations, business practices, employees and servants. Vows, oaths, swearing, Court and Judicial procedures. Injuries and damages, property and property rights, criminal laws. Prophecy, idolatry and all its practices as the moral laws (commandments) keep us in line with the will of God.

None of these laws have been abolished.

Amen!

The 613 Laws must regulate all aspects of our lives, as Chosen Separated People.

Joshua 1:7-9 King James Version (KJV)

7 Only be thou strong and very courageous, that thou mayest observe to do according to all the law, which Moses my servant commanded thee: turn not from it to the right hand or to the left, that thou mayest prosper withersoever thou goest.

8 This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.

9 Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee whithersoever thou goest.

 

[JLB]

Prayers and thanks be to Elohim/God that he divides Israel/Judah/Jew from Gentile. As Good from Bad/Evil, the Chosen People Israel are separated.

Leviticus 18:2-3 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

2 `Speak unto the sons of Israel, and thou hast said unto them, I [am] Jehovah your God;

3 according to the work of the land of Egypt in which ye have dwelt ye do not, and according to the work of the land of Canaan whither I am bringing you in, ye do not, and in their statutes ye walk not.

The reason the law of Moses was abolished, was to removed the dividing wall that separated Jew and Gentile.

The purpose for this was to create one new man from the two.


Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. Ephesians 2:11-18

• having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace,

JLB

 

[JLB]

The 613 Laws must regulate all aspects of our lives, as Chosen Separated People.

Does this mean we are to continue to sacrifice animals for our transgressions and stone people to death for violating the Sabbath as well as committing adultery?



JLB

 

[for_his_glory]

Elohim/God gives the Holy Spirit.

John 14:15-17 King James Version (KJV)

15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Yes, it is God who sends down and indwells us with the Holy Spirit who is out comforter and teacher who equips us in the word of God to be able to help take the Gospel message out into the world.

 

[for_his_glory]

Prayers and thanks be to Elohim/God that he divides Israel/Judah/Jew from Gentile. As Good from Bad/Evil, the Chosen People Israel are separated.

Leviticus 18:2-3 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

2 `Speak unto the sons of Israel, and thou hast said unto them, I [am] Jehovah your God;

3 according to the work of the land of Egypt in which ye have dwelt ye do not, and according to the work of the land of Canaan whither I am bringing you in, ye do not, and in their statutes ye walk not.

There is no more division on this side of grace as all are one in Christ through faith in Him.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Galatians 3: 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[for_his_glory]

Amen!

The 613 Laws must regulate all aspects of our lives, as Chosen Separated People.

Joshua 1:7-9 King James Version (KJV)

7 Only be thou strong and very courageous, that thou mayest observe to do according to all the law, which Moses my servant commanded thee: turn not from it to the right hand or to the left, that thou mayest prosper withersoever thou goest.

8 This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.

9 Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee whithersoever thou goest.

If you want to live by all 613 laws don't forget there is a curse as no one can possibly fulfill the requirements of the law.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

 

[Elihoenai]

Matthew 22:35-40 King James Version (KJV)

35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.


What does it mean to do the Two Commandments? Can you see them in the Ten? If you can see the Two in the Ten, than by doing the Ten you are doing the Two. Can you see the Ten in the 613? If you you can see the Ten in the 613, than by doing the 613 you are doing the Ten. Therefore, if you are not doing all 613 Laws you are not doing the Two or the Ten.

 

[JLB]

What does it mean to do the Two Commandments? Can you see them in the Ten?

Yes.

His Commandments are about love.

Loving God, and loving your neighbor.


For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3


If we steal from our neighbor we are not loving him.

If we murder our neighbor we are not loving him.

If we commit adultery with our neighbors wife we are not loving him, but rather we are hating him.


If we serve other gods we are not loving the Lord our God with all of our heart, soul, and strength.

If we make carved images and bow down to them and serve them, we are not loving the Lord our God with all of our heart, soul, and strength.


If we take the name of the Lord our God in vain, we are not loving Him.



Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. Romans 13:8-10



He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 2:4


The way we keep the first commandment is to obey His commandment to love our neighbor.


If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen? And this commandment we have from Him: that he who loves God must love his brother also. 1 John 4:20-21






JLB

 

[for_his_glory]

Matthew 22:35-40 King James Version (KJV)

35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.


What does it mean to do the Two Commandments? Can you see them in the Ten? If you can see the Two in the Ten, than by doing the Ten you are doing the Two. Can you see the Ten in the 613? If you you can see the Ten in the 613, than by doing the 613 you are doing the Ten. Therefore, if you are not doing all 613 Laws you are not doing the Two or the Ten.

Do you yourself keep all 613?