Bible Study Are the Ten Commandments valid for Christians today?

[Elihoenai]

Do you yourself keep all 613?

To keep the Ten and the Two Commandments you must be totally obedient to the 613 Laws. If you or me fail in this total obedience we are unclean and must be made clean and are debtor to do the whole Law. This is the teaching of Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ!


Galatians 5:3 King James Version (KJV)

3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

To keep the Ten and the Two Commandments you must be totally obedient to the 613 Laws. If you or me fail in this total obedience we are unclean and must be made clean and are debtor to do the whole Law. This is the teaching of Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ!


Galatians 5:3 King James Version (KJV)

3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

You didn't answer her question though. :/

 

[Elihoenai]

You didn't answer her question though. :/

Did Yeshua/Jesus keep all 613 Laws? Yes, because he is Sinless. Those striving to be True Disciples must do the same as Elohim's/God's perfect example.


Matthew 5:48 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

48 ye shall therefore be perfect, as your Father who [is] in the heavens is perfect.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Did Yeshua/Jesus keep all 613 Laws? Yes, because he is Sinless. Those striving to be True Disciples must do the same as Elohim's/God's perfect example.


Matthew 5:48 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

48 ye shall therefore be perfect, as your Father who [is] in the heavens is perfect.

Yes He did keep all 613 laws but that wasn't the question that for_his_glory asked. She asked do you keep all 613 laws? Your refusal to answer the question leads me to believe that you don't and therefore you are contradicting yourself.

 

[JLB]

To keep the Ten and the Two Commandments you must be totally obedient to the 613 Laws. If you or me fail in this total obedience we are unclean and must be made clean and are debtor to do the whole Law. This is the teaching of Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ!


Galatians 5:3 King James Version (KJV)

3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Galatians 5:18


The Spirit does not lead us to keep the law of Moses.

The law of Moses was a dividing wall that separated Jew from Gentile.

The law of Moses has been abolished in His flesh, having been nailed to the cross and taken out of the way, this creating one new man from the two.

The 10 commandments are not the law of Moses.

Abraham kept His commandments 430 years before the law was added.

No one is justified by the law, as the law is not of faith.

But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.” Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.” Galatians 3:11-12

• Yet the law is not of faith,
  

Without faith it is impossible to please God.


The 10 Commandments did not originate with Moses.



JLB

 

[JLB]

Did Yeshua/Jesus keep all 613 Laws? Yes, because he is Sinless. Those striving to be True Disciples must do the same as Elohim's/God's perfect example.

Would would Jesus need to submit Himself under the Levitical Priesthood since He is a High Priest according to the order of Melchizedek, which is greater than Levi.

Now consider how great this man was, to whom even the patriarch Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils. And indeed those who are of the sons of Levi, who receive the priesthood, have a commandment to receive tithes from the people according to the law, that is, from their brethren, though they have come from the loins of Abraham; but he whose genealogy is not derived from them received tithes from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises. Now beyond all contradiction the lesser is blessed by the better. Here mortal men receive tithes, but there he receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives. Even Levi, who receives tithes, paid tithes through Abraham, so to speak, for he was still in the loins of his father when Melchizedek met him.
Hebrews 7:4-10


For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. Hebrews 7:12




JLB

 

[JLB]

For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

Exactly. No need to become circumcised unless you keep all of the law of Moses.

If you sin, you must sacrifice the appropriate animal sacrifice.


JLB

 

[for_his_glory]

To keep the Ten and the Two Commandments you must be totally obedient to the 613 Laws. If you or me fail in this total obedience we are unclean and must be made clean and are debtor to do the whole Law. This is the teaching of Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ!


Galatians 5:3 King James Version (KJV)

3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

So, you are saying you keep the dietary laws, clothing, laws of the Kohanim and the Levites, laws of the Temple, sanctuary and sacred objects, sacrifices and offerings, ritual of purity and impurity, the king, Nazarites and wars?

 

[GodsGrace]

To break the law down to something my feeble mind could grasp, I looked back in the Old Testament to do a study of the laws and started writing them down. I noticed a difference and so I drew a line down the middle of the paper I was listing the laws on and found they fell into 2 main categories. Laws pertaining to God and laws pertaining to our fellow man. I saw how Jesus simplified the law in this manner by reducing it to 2. Love God. Love thy neighbor. Therefore I saw there are two main sins (against God or against neighbor). Sins against God required sacrifice while sins against neighbor required atonement to that neighbor. What I believe is that , while Christ's sacrifice atones for ALL sin, I believe He never intended to nullify the importance of atoning to those we wronged.

With no help from anyone, you came to very good conclusions. I'm not able to do studies this intensive anymore due to life's situations.

If you've ever noticed, the 10 commandments are the same:
The first 4 are in regard to God and the next 6 are in regard to man.

Ten Commandments list

1. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2. You shall make no idols.
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy.
5. Honor your father and your mother.
6. You shall not murder.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10. You shall not covet.

So, yes, Jesus narrowed the above down to the Two Great Commandments: Love God - Love your neighbor as yourself.
So we are to love THREE beings: God, our neighbor, ourself.

And also, we ARE asked to atone for our sins. If we do something wrong and can fix what we did...then we should. (being careful not to make it worse).

These moments of illumination always bring us closer to God.

 

[daninthelionsden]

With no help from anyone, you came to very good conclusions. I'm not able to do studies this intensive anymore due to life's situations.

If you've ever noticed, the 10 commandments are the same:
The first 4 are in regard to God and the next 6 are in regard to man.

Ten Commandments list

1. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2. You shall make no idols.
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy.
5. Honor your father and your mother.
6. You shall not murder.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10. You shall not covet.

So, yes, Jesus narrowed the above down to the Two Great Commandments: Love God - Love your neighbor as yourself.
So we are to love THREE beings: God, our neighbor, ourself.

And also, we ARE asked to atone for our sins. If we do something wrong and can fix what we did...then we should. (being careful not to make it worse).

These moments of illumination always bring us closer to God.

Thank you so much. Been praying for your husband and you.

 

[GodsGrace]

If we define the word Moral Biblically, as Laws and Commandments governing Good and Bad/Evil behaviour, are not all the 613 (?) Laws Moral? Apparently, in Ancient Hebrew the word is Bad and the word Evil is Western equivalent.

Isaiah 7:15 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

15 Butter and honey he doth eat, When he knoweth to refuse evil, and to fix on good.

Is it moral to wash your hands before eating?

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Is it moral to wash your hands before eating?

I would say so but I don't always do that. 2

 

[Elihoenai]

Yes He did keep all 613 laws but that wasn't the question that for_his_glory asked. She asked do you keep all 613 laws? Your refusal to answer the question leads me to believe that you don't and therefore you are contradicting yourself.

Do you or any other member on this forum think it is possible to keep all 613 Laws? Racial/Ethnic Jews say it's impossible, because they don't have a Temple on Temple Mount and you have to be in the land of Israel to practice certain Laws.

For example, apart from, possibly, the Samaritans, who is practising the Passover exactly as instructed in Exodus 12? If you are Vegan, can you practice Passover?


Exodus 12:5-8 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

5 a lamb, a perfect one, a male, a son of a year, let be to you; from the sheep or from the goats ye do take [it].

6 `And it hath become a charge to you, until the fourteenth day of this month, and the whole assembly of the company of Israel have slaughtered it between the evenings;

7 and they have taken of the blood, and have put on the two side-posts, and on the lintel over the houses in which they eat it.

8 `And they have eaten the flesh in this night, roast with fire; with unleavened things and bitters they do eat it;

 

[Elihoenai]

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Galatians 5:18


The Spirit does not lead us to keep the law of Moses.

The law of Moses was a dividing wall that separated Jew from Gentile.

The law of Moses has been abolished in His flesh, having been nailed to the cross and taken out of the way, this creating one new man from the two.

The 10 commandments are not the law of Moses.

Abraham kept His commandments 430 years before the law was added.

No one is justified by the law, as the law is not of faith.

But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.” Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.” Galatians 3:11-12

• Yet the law is not of faith,

Without faith it is impossible to please God.


The 10 Commandments did not originate with Moses.



JLB

The Ten Commandments are the Law of Moses.

John 7:19 King James Version (KJV)

19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?

 

[Elihoenai]

So, you are saying you keep the dietary laws, clothing, laws of the Kohanim and the Levites, laws of the Temple, sanctuary and sacred objects, sacrifices and offerings, ritual of purity and impurity, the king, Nazarites and wars?

Does this reply answer you question:

Bible Study - Are the Ten Commandments valid for Christians today?

Do you yourself keep all 613? To keep the Ten and the Two Commandments you must be totally obedient to the 613 Laws. If you or me fail in this total obedience we are unclean and must be made clean and are debtor to do the whole Law. This is the teaching of Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ...

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[Elihoenai]

Is it moral to wash your hands before eating?

Yes it is Moral to wash your hands before eating! Wash/Clean inside and outside.


Psalm 26:6 King James Version (KJV)

6 I will wash mine hands in innocency: so will I compass thine altar, O Lord:


Luke 11:37-39 King James Version (KJV)

37 And as he spake, a certain Pharisee besought him to dine with him: and he went in, and sat down to meat.

38 And when the Pharisee saw it, he marvelled that he had not first washed before dinner.

39 And the Lord said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees make clean the outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness.

 

[JLB]

The Ten Commandments are the Law of Moses.

No sir.

The law of Moses was the entire scope of animal sacrifices. Levitical Priesthood, feast days, Sabbath requirements, tabernacle and temple commandments and all the ordinances combined that made what the Bible calls the law of Moses, that was added to the Abrahamic Covenant temporarily until the Messiah should come.


The Commandments were kept by Abraham, 430 years before the law of Moses was added.


And I will make your descendants multiply as the stars of heaven; I will give to your descendants all these lands; and in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.” Genesis 26:4-5

• Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.

Abraham kept His Commandments by faith as he learned them directly from the Lord, the way Adam and all mankind was supposed to.


Cain violated his Commandment to “not murder”, in the beginning.


Lucifer coveted a place on God’s throne and to be worshipped, before Mankind was created.


His Commandments are eternal, and were in force long before Moses gave them the law.




JLB

 

[JLB]

Do you or any other member on this forum think it is possible to keep all 613 Laws?

Go ahead and post all 613 laws, from the scriptures, so that we as a Forum can examine them, and properly answer you.



JLB



PS - But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Galatians 5:18

 

[JLB]

Here is number 561 from Maimonides' list sorted by occurrence in the Torah.


Not to offer peace to Ammon and Moab while besieging them.

This is said to come from Deuteronomy 23:7


Help us to understand how the Lord Jesus Christ would want us to observe this Commandment today?


I noticed that none of the 613 were referenced from the New Covenant?


I thought this to be a little strange, since Jesus is the Mediator of the New Covenant.


Personally, I’m good with the ones the Lord Jesus Christ has written in my heart and mind.




JLB

 

[JLB]

To keep the Ten and the Two Commandments you must be totally obedient to the 613 Laws.

Does this mean we have to become physically circumcised?

I thought a person had to first become circumcised in order to participate in everything else?

Number 17 - From Exodus 12:48
An uncircumcised male must not eat from it (Passover)


How do you see this?





JLB