Are there any Muslim's on this board?

[Maryam]

Hi Maryam, thanks for replying.

I'd like to stretch your explanations a little to help me understand better.

If the Jews weren't following their own teachings and Islam claims that their teachings were wrong, then why should God send them a prophet to again follow those 'wrong' teachings? And Jesus Christ upheld every part of the Scripture - He didn't select some to be right and others to be wrong. So how is it that you claim that the Jewish Scriptures are wrong/corrupted? If they are really corrupted, isn't it questioning God's ability to preserve His revealed word?

And what is the Gospel that Jesus Christ preached according to you?

I don’t know a lot about this topic, but of course I know that the Torah was corrupted. Was it before or after Prophet Jesus, I don’t know.
The Quran states clearly that Jews did corrupt their book.
4: 46. Of the Jews there are those who displace words from their (right) places, and say: "We hear and we disobey"; and "Hear what is not Heard"; and "Ra'ina"; with a twist of their tongues and a slander to Faith. If only they had said: "What hear and we obey"; and "Do hear"; and "Do look at us"; it would have been better for them, and more proper; but Allah hath cursed them for their Unbelief; and but few of them will believe.
Is the OT the same Torah that Jews have?
Do you believe that the Jews book is uncorrupted? If it is not corrupted, that means they had to believe in Prophet Jesus and Christianity, why didn’t they do that?
As I said, I don’t know a lot about Judaism, and that is why I am asking.

What does Islam say that you are supposed to do to be saved or to enter heaven? I'm guessing that it says you are to keep all the laws of God. Now my question is - have you kept all the laws faithfully and perfectly without committing any sin? Has anybody kept all the Law?

If everyone has sinned, then how does God deal with these sinners? Does He condemn them into eternal lakes of fire or does He forgive? If He forgives, I agree that shows His abundant love and mercy. But wouldn't God then be unjust in overlooking sin? How does God remain loving and just at the same time? Shouldn't you pay for the sins you committed to uphold God's justice? And if you are to be forgiven, then shouldn't someone else pay for your sins as a sacrifice?

God is Just and Loving. Since we all commit sins, God gives us the chance to repent, and God forgives the sins of those who repent sincerely. Even if the same person commits the same sin again and again, which happens a lot, God forgives as long as the person repent sincerely. Of course God knows the heart of people, and knows who is sincere and who is not.
39: 53. Say: "O my Servants who have transgressed against their souls! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah. for Allah forgives all sins: for He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Those who commit sins and do good deeds at the same time, should never lose hope for God is Oft-Forging, Most Merciful as He says in Quran.
9: 102. Others (there are who) have acknowledged their wrong-doings: they have mixed an act that was good with another that was evil. Perhaps Allah will turn unto them (in Mercy): for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Those who do so many evil deeds, and then repent sincerely and do not go back to that evil path, God changes all their evil into rewards.
25: 70. Unless he repents, believes, and works righteous deeds, for Allah will change the evil of such persons into good, and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful,

Those who did a lot of evil things, with very few good deeds, God knows best how to judge them. Sometimes the few good deeds do win over the many evil deeds if they were sincere to God.

Muslims also may deserve hell-fire if they spent their life doing evil deeds. But if they were worshipping God alone without associating partners with Him, they will not be in hell-fire eternally, but some day they will go to Paradise because at least they believed in the one true God.
4: 48. Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed.

We don’t believe that someone has to sacrifice so that we don’t be punished for our evil deeds, I can’t say God is Just if this happens.

Another query - what does the Quran say you should do if you catch a woman in the act of adultery? Should you preach repentance and remission of sins through faith in God or should you judge her and condemn her?

If the woman is caught in the act of adultery (and same applies to a man), there should be four witnesses saying that they saw her doing that. If there were less than four, their saying will not be taken. If they were four, then she had to admit that she did it. If she doesn’t admit, she can go home. But of course if she was lying, she will deserve a punishment from God.
If she admits it, she has to be stoned to death if she was a married woman, and if she was unmarried, she has to be beaten 100 times. If that happens, God forgives her sin of adultery.
This is different if a man says his wife commits adultery, because she is his wife, he can be the only witness, and again if she denied, she will not be punished by the law. (The same applied for a women reporting her husband for committing adultery).

There was a case in Prophet Muhammad’s life, when a pregnant women went to him and told him that she committed adultery and wanted to be cleaned from it. Since she was a married woman, her punishment was to be stoned to death. Prophet Muhammad asked her to go and deliver her baby first. She did, and came to him after that. He asked her to go back until her baby becomes two years old. She did, and returned back to with her baby holding a piece of bread to show that now he is no more dependent in her milk. The Prophet then ordered to stone her to death because she insisted in that. She could have not come to him after that, but she decided to come.
When she was berried, some of the companions of Prophet Muhammad disgraced her. Prophet Muhammad told them that this women repented so much as if her repentance is divided into 70 of the Muslims, it would be enough for them all, and it was enough that she sacrificed herself to God.

Here what the Quran says about it:
Quran 24
1. A sura which We have sent down and which We have ordained in it have We sent down Clear Signs, in order that ye may receive admonition.
2. The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.
3. Let no man guilty of adultery or fornication marry and but a woman similarly guilty, or an Unbeliever: nor let any but such a man or an Unbeliever marry such a woman: to the Believers such a thing is forbidden.
4. And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),- flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors;-
5. Unless they repent thereafter and mend (their conduct); for Allah is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful.
6. And for those who launch a charge against their spouses, and have (in support) no evidence but their own,- their solitary evidence (can be received) if they bear witness four times (with an oath) by Allah that they are solemnly telling the truth;
7. And the fifth (oath) (should be) that they solemnly invoke the curse of Allah on themselves if they tell a lie.
8. But it would avert the punishment from the wife, if she bears witness four times (with an oath) By Allah, that (her husband) is telling a lie;
9. And the fifth (oath) should be that she solemnly invokes the wrath of Allah on herself if (her accuser) is telling the truth.
10. If it were not for Allah.s grace and mercy on you, and that Allah is Oft- Returning, full of Wisdom,- (Ye would be ruined indeed).


You might think that is a lot of punishment, but actually to leave the people who commit adultery without punishment means that you are not discouraging it in the society, and so, adultery will be very common among people. To punish one person for committing adultery, that means you educate the whole society not to do this evil act. And you see, God asks for four witnesses. So this man or woman who agreed to commit adultery in front of four people or more do deserve this punishment if she/he admits it and repent.

 

[Maryam]

Orthodox Jews and some Messianic Christians agree with me that the messiah [Yahshua] was not to be worshipped. Very few Trinitarians would agree with me. Yahshua was not only a prophet and messenger from God, but he himself is a immortal being. [A god.] Yahwah created a body for Yahshua in Mary's womb so that he would be born in the flesh. All of the people in heaven are spirits with immortal bodies. Our spirits and our bodies are mortal. It was Yahwah who appointed Yahshua as a mediator between us and Yahwah.

So why do you think most trinitarian-Christians do not agree with you on that? You are a Christian and not a Jew yourself, why do you have this different idea than other Christians. Do you have evidence that they do not have?

But I actually don’t understand how Jesus was a Prophet and god at the same time. I believe in him as a Prophet like many other Prophets whom God chose. Are you saying that all of them are gods?

 

[JudaicChristian]

I don’t know a lot about this topic, but of course I know that the Torah was corrupted. Was it before or after Prophet Jesus, I don’t know.
The Quran states clearly that Jews did corrupt their book.

It was the Hellenistic and kabbalistic Jews who corrupted some certain scriptures after 35 AD. But we also have scriptures that go back before that date. That is why we have foot notes in our study bible, so that we can see the difference.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Orthodox Jews and some Messianic Christians agree with me that the messiah [Yahshua] was not to be worshipped. Very few Trinitarians would agree with me. Yahshua was not only a prophet and messenger from God, but he himself is a immortal being. [A god.] Yahwah created a body for Yahshua in Mary's womb so that he would be born in the flesh. All of the people in heaven are spirits with immortal bodies. Our spirits and our bodies are mortal. It was Yahwah who appointed Yahshua as a mediator between us and Yahwah.

So why do you think most trinitarian-Christians do not agree with you on that? You are a Christian and not a Jew yourself, why do you have this different idea than other Christians. Do you have evidence that they do not have?

But I actually don’t understand how Jesus was a Prophet and god at the same time. I believe in him as a Prophet like many other Prophets whom God chose. Are you saying that all of them are gods?

It would displease the Trinitarian Christians for me to present my findings on the subject. The term "gods" is applied to both mortals and immortals. The people in heaven are called gods because they have life immortal, and mortal beings who are to be the Elect are called gods based upon a promise from Yahwah.

Psalm 82 (New International Version)

Psalm 82
A psalm of Asaph.
1 God presides in the great assembly;
he gives judgment among the "gods":
2 "How long will you defend the unjust
and show partiality to the wicked?
Selah

3 Defend the cause of the weak and fatherless;
maintain the rights of the poor and oppressed.

4 Rescue the weak and needy;
deliver them from the hand of the wicked.

5 "They know nothing, they understand nothing.
They walk about in darkness;
all the foundations of the earth are shaken.

6 "I said, 'You are "gods";
you are all sons of the Most High.'

7 But you will die like mere men;
you will fall like every other ruler."

8 Rise up, O God, judge the earth,
for all the nations are your inheritance.

John 10
25Jesus answered, "I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father's name speak for me, 26but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. 30I and the Father are one."

31Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, 32but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?"

33"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."

34Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'? 35If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken— 36what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'?

 

[Tina]

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I see a shining future of Islam, with a rapid increase of its followers, because the truth must win at the end.

Can you watch this short video please? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsj9GPd5 ... re=related

I always know the word of God is so strong and clear, but I thought only Muslims would appreciate that. But when I was reading the comments of this video, I realized that non-Muslims who do not understand Arabic also find the words of God so strong. It surprised me actually.

Some comments of non-Muslims I found in YouTube under this video:

TheAxe37 I have to say I am a Hindu by religion but almost everyday listen to this recitation just because I find it amazingly beautiful and relieving .. this boy is definitely blessed by allah..

BuckshotLaFunke I'm Jewish, but I appreciate the recitation of the Qur'an by this gifted child.

Kirpope I must be honest and say that I follow no religion. I don't know what he was saying either, but I do know that he gave it heart and love and that I understood clearly the importance of the message. Thank you for sharing something so sacred a beautiful!

ZaraMikazuki Wow. I'm not a Muslim, but this recitation is so gorgeous and beautiful. The child has an amazing voice and I think Arabic is such a beautiful language!

Robinicat I am a Christian and I feel very moved by the beauty of this childn's pure voice. Very beautiful!

ejdf870 Amazing voice. I'm not Muslim, but I appreciate this very much. Just beautiful.

MIGHTYSAMINYOURFACE i dont have a religion but this son sounds beautiful even though I dont understand a word he is saying

KeiFox I'm a devout Christian, but this is absolutely incredible! It's amasing to hear such a powerful voice in this child reciting the Qu'ran. He's got a gift that Muhammed, being a loving father and grandfather in his own life, would be very proud of. Very beautiful, inspiring, edifying and enlightening in every good way. Here's to greater love and peace to all people of all faiths (and no faith, may they one day learn to appreciate God's love) in the world, through such children as this one.

Maryam, I am also a singer and come from a family of singers, and I can belt out more than 20 Christian songs and hymns at one go with no reference to any song books or lyrics… Unfortunately, that is not going to get me to Heaven.

Beauty and eloquence are not tests for divine inspiration of your holy book. If they were, then many other works of art throughout human history would have to be deemed divinely inspired. For example, the musical compositions of Bach, Mozart and Beethoven, and the writings of Shakespeare and other literary greats, would have to be considered divinely inspired.

You said that non-Muslims who do not understand Arabic also find the words of God so strong. It doesn’t prove anything. On the contrary, the Quran contains many grammatical errors. Iranian Muslim author Ali Dashti wrote a book, “Twenty Three Yearsâ€, and in it, documented that the Quran contains sentences which are incomplete and not fully intelligible without the aid of commentaries; foreign words, unfamiliar Arabic words, and words used with other than the normal meaning; adjectives and verbs inflected without observance of the concord of gender and number; illogical and ungrammatically applied pronouns which sometimes have no referent; and predicates which in rhymed passages are often remote from the subjects. These and other aberrations in the language have given scope to critics who deny the Quran’s eloquence … To sum up, more than 100 Quranic aberrations from the normal rules and structure of Arabic have been noted.

 

[Tina]

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Oh, so you do believe in the anti-Christ? You don’t believe in Christ but you believe in anti-Christ?

I believe in Christ Jesus as a Prophet of God.

Please explain why you believe in anti-Christ when you believe Christ to be only a prophet of God. Why would there be forces coming against Christ when you insist that only your Allah is one god and there are no other gods. Shouldn't you be believing in something like "anti-Allah" instead ?

It is not a matter of whether or not it was easy for God to create Jesus in the womb of a virgin woman, that’s beside the point… The point is, you do believe without a doubt in the supernatural conception, and I’m sure you are also aware that NO other Man was ever conceived that way in the history of mankind !

I also know that Adam was created when God said to him ‘Be’ and he was.
3:59. The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.

How is this even remotely similar to the virgin conception of Jesus ? …..

Well, of course Prophet Muhammad was so scared when he saw Angel Gabriel coming to him at the first time. Prophet Muhammad was a human being, and we don’t claim that he was god so that he wouldn’t be scared.
And Angel Gabriel being tough at the first meeting can be understood as that he was telling Prophet Muhammad that it was a serious thing and not a dream or daydream. He started with him like this to make him ready for holding a great message from God.

2 Corinthians 11:14-15
And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.


According the scripture above, the Bible says that demons will disguise and masquerade as angels of light. We have strong reasons to believe that the demon that claimed to be “Angel Gabriel†and attacked Muhammad was none other than a demon in disguise.

Who was with Muhammad during the entire encounter? NOT A SINGLE WITNESS, yet when he claimed that “angel Gabriel†visited him, people believed him based on his one-man account. But he was deeply troubled by the incident as the "angel Gabriel" was very violent and forceful in delivering the message to him. This is in stark contrast to the Angel Gabriel that visited Mary and Joseph to deliver the message of the Messiah, in which case, the Angel was kind, gentle and pleasant. We find it impossible to comprehend that this pleasant angel was the same angel that attacked Muhammad and have every reason to believe that what visited Muhammad was a demon in disguise instead.

In addition, Muhammad’s inspiration and religious experiences are remarkably similar to those found in some forms of cultic spiritism. SHAMANISM, for example, is notorious for fostering periods of mental disruptions as well as spirit-possession. Muhammad significantly experienced Shaman-like encounters and phenomena. While the human Muhammad trembled at demons, the Lord Jesus caused demons to tremble at His presence !

After the revelation, his wife took him to her cousin who was an old man who converted to Christianity, and when she told him the story, he told them that this is the same thing that happened to Prophet Moses before. That Christian was the first one to tell Prophet Muhammad that he was a Prophet of God. Angel Gabriel did not tell Prophet Muhammad that he was a Prophet in the first meeting. And it was easier for him to hear if from that man.

Muhammad’s knowledge of Christian doctrine was inaccurate in many ways. The primary Christians that Muhammad came into contact with in his early years were either Nestorians or Ebionites, both of whom held on to heretical views of Jesus Christ. Muhammad’s knowledge of Christianity was completely based on oral sources and NOT on a personal study of the Christian Scriptures. An Arabic translation of the New Testament did not exist at that time. The New Testament was not translated into Arabic until AD 720, a century after Muhammad’s time. What Muhammad learned about Christianity was based solely on conversations he had with people during his travels

The story of Prophet Muhammad being possessed by demons, I hear it only from Christians!

That is because Muslims cover it up !

Satan wouldn’t come to Prophet Muhammad to order him to ask his people to worship the One True God, and destroy all the idols that people used to worship. Satan wouldn’t teach Prophet Muhammad, the illiterate Prophet, about all the Prophets of God. Satan would be very happy seeing people worshiping idols instead of God Almighty.

Satan would also be happy to deceive people like Muhammad that Allah, which was originally a pagan deity, is now a “one true godâ€, and of course illiterate people like Muhammad are easier to deceive.

What kind of demon would come to Prophet Muhammad teaching him to say these things:

Prophet Muhammad said:
He will not enter Paradise whose neighbor is not secure from his wrongful conduct.

Prophet Muhammad said:
"The most virtuous behavior is to engage those who sever relations, to give to those who withhold from you, and to forgive those who wrong you"

Prophet Muhammad said:
"Whoever pleases his parents has pleased God, and whoever angers them has angered God"

Prophet Muhammad said:
"Should I inform you about the greatest of the great sins?" They said, "Yes, O Allah's Apostle!" He said, "To join others in worship with Allah and to be undutiful to one's parents." The Prophet then sat up after he had been reclining (on a pillow) and said, "And I warn you against giving a false witness, and he kept on saying that warning 'till we thought he would not stop."

Prophet Muhammad said:
"Abandon desire for this world, and God will love you. Abandon desire for others' goods, and people will love you."

Prophet Muhammad said:
"He is not a true believer who eats his fill while his neighbor is hungry"

Do demons teach these things?

Demons are actually more intelligent than you imagine. All they have to do to lead people astray is to distort the true gospel of Jesus Christ by sending a counterfeit angel to preach another false gospel that denies only the fundamental belief of His crucifixion and resurrection. “Sure, respect your parents and neighbours, Muslims, but make sure you reject Jesus as the Lord and Saviour†… That simple and subtle lie hidden in the pages of Quran is going to send billions of Muslims straight to hell !

Muhammad clearly falls into the category of a false prophet that Jesus Himself warned about in Matthew 24:24. The Apostle Paul too warned about this in 2 Corinthians 11.

2 Corinthians 11:3-4
As the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!


Also the Apostle Paul warns in Galatians 1:8 that if a person or an angel preaches a different gospel, let him be eternally condemned !

Galatians 1:8
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned !

It seems you misunderstood me, or I couldn’t explain it well. Prophet Jesus will not Judge people in the Day of Judgment. No one can do that except God Almighty.
Prophet Jesus will be a ruler and judge when he leads the Muslims in earth in his second coming.

Excuse me ? !! …. Second coming ? …. You believe in the second coming ?? …....

How’s that possible ? .. You guys don’t even believe that Jesus was crucified and resurrected , so how is it that you believe in the second coming ?

No, that is not true. We know that no matter how we spend our life doing good, we are still not going to Paradise by our deeds. We will go to Paradise, if God wells, because of God’s grace and mercy. We also know that we are sinners who do wrong, but God says that he forgives the sins of those who repent truly.
3: 135. And those who, having done something to be ashamed of, or wronged their own souls, earnestly bring Allah to mind, and ask for forgiveness for their sins,- and who can forgive sins except Allah.- and are never obstinate in persisting knowingly in (the wrong) they have done.

My point exactly. That is what I’m trying to say all along. Muslims follow your religion blindly not even knowing if you will ever make it to heaven some day.

Those who bomb themselves to kill innocents are not fighting for the cause of God. Those who fight those who fight them, invade their lands, drive them out of their homes and lands are actually fighting for the case of God. Islam orders us to be peaceful to those who are peaceful to us, and be tough with those who are tough with us.

In Christianity, we are to love and bless our enemies and not resort to violence. We hear a lot of media reports of Muslims burning and destroying churches and Christians for minor disputes. But when Jesus is blasphemed, do Christiana go about burning mosques and killing Muslims ?

But you still don’t know if these people who commit these kinds of sins that they are not going to repent one day. And maybe good Christians commit some of these sins in the future. So you can’t say that this person is saved and that person is not saved because you don’t know what will happen in the future. So don’t claim that you are saved because this is not for you to decide.

You are so wrong! … It is absolutely up to me to decide. Don’t keep confusing your religion with mine ! God has given us FREE WILL to decide who we will follow and how we will live our lifes. Our God did not create us to be robots with no brains to think for ourselves.

I am able to proudly claim that I am saved and have no shame or arrogance admitting it. If I do fall into temptation some day and commit fornication or something, it does not mean I instantly lose my salvation. All it means is that my God still loves me and is willing to forgive me for my mistake once I sincerely repent and turn away from my sin. My salvation is still secure. Whether I sin 7 times or 77 times, our God always forgives. That’s the awesome thing about Christianity ! … Read the story about the thief on the cross next to Jesus in Luke 23:43. Jesus told him “Today you will be with me in paradise†. The thief did no works but only believed !

I did admit that I do not understand the concept of trinity, and I do believe that you don’t really understand it either.

How do you assume that I don’t understand the concept of trinity when you have no idea of its Christian definition in the first place. As I said umpteen times before, belief in trinity is not going to bring anyone salvation, and not believing it is also not going to deprive anyone of salvation. Believing in Father, Son and Holy Spirit is not what’s salvation is all about ! … GET IT ?

I am very well aware that Muslims love to attack Trinity in your pathetic attempt to discredit Christianity, but just so you know, may I bring to your attention that your Muslim term for God’s unity ( tawhid ) is not found anywhere in the Quran either .. You believe in the concept of God’s unity ONLY because you ASSUME that the Quran teaches it.

But Prophet Muhammad ordered to break all the 360 idols that were on the Kabba, why didn’t he ask people to keep the ‘moon god’! and maybe keep the wife and daughters as well, what a nonsense!

The crescent being a sign of Islam doesn’t mean that we worship it. Do you worship the cross?!

While Mohammad adopted the name of a pagan deity for his god, there are no paganistic roots behind the cross..

Since both the Bible and Quran are from the same source, it is obvious that many verses of the Bible were corrupted because the words of God don’t contradict each other.

The God of the Bible is NOT the god of Quran ...

If Quran is the word of god, then your prophet Muhammad, the very person who claimed to have received “divine†revelations behind the book, himself blatantly disrespected and disobeyed his god of the Quran by marrying up to 12 wives including a child, instead of the maximum 4 that Quran allows (Sura 4:3)..

If the Quran is the word of god, then it would not have allocated so many words to temporal issues that existed only among Muhammad’s own family and fellow Muslims. For example, the Suras include a curse against Muhammad’s uncle (Sura 111), an admonition to Muhammad’s wives to remain subject to him (Sura 33), and words against the elephant brigade of Abraha, the Christian ruler of Abyssinia, who had come up against the Muslims in Mecca (Sura 105).

Obviously, the Quran is so focused and self-centred on the lifetime of Muhammad himself, making it awfully suspicious that it was a book composed by Muhammad himself and not dictated to him by some angelic spokesman of Allah !


If the Quran is the word of God, it will not contain some highly questionable scientific statements, such as the statement that human beings are formed from a clot of blood (Sura 23:14). Certainly, no reputable scientist would go along with that theory. Sura 18:86 teaches that the sun sets in a spring of murky water. Obviously no scientist, or even non-Scientists, would entertain such an absurd idea !


If the Quran s the word of God, one verse will not blatantly contradict another. One verse in the Quran affirms the doctrine of abrogation (Sura 2:106), but another verse says, “No change can there be in the word of God†(Sura 10:64).

 

[Maryam]

Maryam, I am also a singer and come from a family of singers, and I can belt out more than 20 Christian songs and hymns at one go with no reference to any song books or lyrics… Unfortunately, that is not going to get me to Heaven.

Beauty and eloquence are not tests for divine inspiration of your holy book. If they were, then many other works of art throughout human history would have to be deemed divinely inspired. For example, the musical compositions of Bach, Mozart and Beethoven, and the writings of Shakespeare and other literary greats, would have to be considered divinely inspired.

You said that non-Muslims who do not understand Arabic also find the words of God so strong. It doesn’t prove anything. On the contrary, the Quran contains many grammatical errors. Iranian Muslim author Ali Dashti wrote a book, “Twenty Three Yearsâ€, and in it, documented that the Quran contains sentences which are incomplete and not fully intelligible without the aid of commentaries; foreign words, unfamiliar Arabic words, and words used with other than the normal meaning; adjectives and verbs inflected without observance of the concord of gender and number; illogical and ungrammatically applied pronouns which sometimes have no referent; and predicates which in rhymed passages are often remote from the subjects. These and other aberrations in the language have given scope to critics who deny the Quran’s eloquence … To sum up, more than 100 Quranic aberrations from the normal rules and structure of Arabic have been noted.

I am not talking about any kind of music or song, it is the word of God that is beautiful. If I hear the literature of Shakespeare in a language that I don’t understand, how can I appreciate it?

Who said that the Quran has many grammatical errors? An Iranian man! We actually learn the rules and grammar of the Arabic language from the Quran, so how can it be wrong. The people who set the grammatical rules of the Arabic language took them from the Quran. This Iranian man might not know a lot about the Arabic language. Arabs themselves did not find any grammatical errors!

 

[Maryam]

Please explain why you believe in anti-Christ when you believe Christ to be only a prophet of God. Why would there be forces coming against Christ when you insist that only your Allah is one god and there are no other gods. Shouldn't you be believing in something like "anti-Allah" instead ?

In Arabic we don’t say anti-Christ but Dajjal. This word in Arabic means the imposer, falsifier, or the one who deceives and deludes. He will appear at the end times and lead so many people astray by so many tricks that he will have. Prophet Jesus will descend from heaven and fight him along with the Muslims.

How is this even remotely similar to the virgin conception of Jesus ? …..

Well, you asked me if there is a man who was born in the way Prophet Jesus was born, and I am telling you that in the case of Adam, there was even no woman to give birth to him, so isn’t this a miraculous thing as well? In both cases, God said to them ‘Be’ and they were. So Adam being created like this doesn’t make him god or the son of god, and so, Prophet Jesus was not god.
19:34-35. Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute. It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is.

Who was with Muhammad during the entire encounter? NOT A SINGLE WITNESS, yet when he claimed that “angel Gabriel†visited him, people believed him based on his one-man account. But he was deeply troubled by the incident as the "angel Gabriel" was very violent and forceful in delivering the message to him. This is in stark contrast to the Angel Gabriel that visited Mary and Joseph to deliver the message of the Messiah, in which case, the Angel was kind, gentle and pleasant. We find it impossible to comprehend that this pleasant angel was the same angel that attacked Muhammad and have every reason to believe that what visited Muhammad was a demon in disguise instead.

Angel Gabriel was actually kind and pleasant, and he taught Prophet Muhammad all about Islam. It is not like that he beat Prophet Muhammad or harmed him at the first meeting, but he hugged him tightly, and that was only in the first meeting.

Muhammad’s knowledge of Christian doctrine was inaccurate in many ways. The primary Christians that Muhammad came into contact with in his early years were either Nestorians or Ebionites, both of whom held on to heretical views of Jesus Christ. Muhammad’s knowledge of Christianity was completely based on oral sources and NOT on a personal study of the Christian Scriptures. An Arabic translation of the New Testament did not exist at that time. The New Testament was not translated into Arabic until AD 720, a century after Muhammad’s time. What Muhammad learned about Christianity was based solely on conversations he had with people during his travels

Prophet Muhammad had the knowledge about Christianity from God Almighty as he had the knowledge of the other Prophets of God.

5: 15. O people of the Book! There hath come to you our Messenger, revealing to you much that ye used to hide in the Book, and passing over much (that is now unnecessary). There hath come to you from Allah a (new) light and a perspicuous Book,-

That is because Muslims cover it up !

If some Muslims are able to cover up such an important thing, that gives a possibility that Christians also covered some important things about Jesus being a Prophet of God and not god, and some other stories.

Satan would also be happy to deceive people like Muhammad that Allah, which was originally a pagan deity, is now a “one true godâ€, and of course illiterate people like Muhammad are easier to deceive.

Why don’t you consider the fact that Satan is very pleased now to see so many people believing that Prophet Jesus is god. That what Satan really wants to see. He is happy when he sees people worshipping other gods besides God Almighty. But the teaching of Islam is not a satanic teaching. We believe in One God who has all the power, and whom Jesus himself said that He is greater than him.

Muhammad clearly falls into the category of a false prophet that Jesus Himself warned about in Matthew 24:24. The Apostle Paul too warned about this in 2 Corinthians 11.

2 Corinthians 11:3-4
As the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!


Also the Apostle Paul warns in Galatians 1:8 that if a person or an angel preaches a different gospel, let him be eternally condemned !

Galatians 1:8
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned !

Prophet Muhammad did not preach a different gospel, but since your book is corrupted, you think that he preached different things than Prophet Jesus. If your book was not corrupted, you would have accepted Prophet Muhammad since Prophet Jesus did mention about his coming.

Excuse me ? !! …. Second coming ? …. You believe in the second coming ?? …....

How’s that possible ? .. You guys don’t even believe that Jesus was crucified and resurrected , so how is it that you believe in the second coming ?

We believe that Prophet Jesus was not crucified , but God raised him up unto Himself, and he will be back to earth to fight the ‘Dajjal’ and lead the Muslims.

4: 157-158. That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-

In Christianity, we are to love and bless our enemies and not resort to violence. We hear a lot of media reports of Muslims burning and destroying churches and Christians for minor disputes. But when Jesus is blasphemed, do Christiana go about burning mosques and killing Muslims ?

A Muslim cannot say one bad word about Prophet Jesus, our beloved Prophet, and a person who does that is not considered a Muslim. But others keep saying the worst things about Prophet Muhammad, and some Muslims just can’t stand it. I am not saying that it is right to attack other religions as a reaction, it is actually wrong to attack other people who share the same religion just because some of the people of that religion insulted us.

I am able to proudly claim that I am saved and have no shame or arrogance admitting it. If I do fall into temptation some day and commit fornication or something, it does not mean I instantly lose my salvation. All it means is that my God still loves me and is willing to forgive me for my mistake once I sincerely repent and turn away from my sin. My salvation is still secure. Whether I sin 7 times or 77 times, our God always forgives. That’s the awesome thing about Christianity ! … Read the story about the thief on the cross next to Jesus in Luke 23:43. Jesus told him “Today you will be with me in paradise†. The thief did no works but only believed !

But why do Christians need to repent since they will enter Paradise whether they repent or not? And if a Christian does many evil deeds and dies before he could repent, he is still saved I guess?

4: 123. Not your desires, nor those of the People of the Book (can prevail): whoever works evil, will be requited accordingly. Nor will he find, besides Allah, any protector or helper.

How do you assume that I don’t understand the concept of trinity when you have no idea of its Christian definition in the first place. As I said umpteen times before, belief in trinity is not going to bring anyone salvation, and not believing it is also not going to deprive anyone of salvation. Believing in Father, Son and Holy Spirit is not what’s salvation is all about ! … GET IT ?

I am very well aware that Muslims love to attack Trinity in your pathetic attempt to discredit Christianity, but just so you know, may I bring to your attention that your Muslim term for God’s unity ( tawhid ) is not found anywhere in the Quran either .. You believe in the concept of God’s unity ONLY because you ASSUME that the Quran teaches it.

Because the trinity is just against the fact that God is one. But you claim that God is one, and at the same time He is three.

I can’t understand how Christians believe that God is one since Jesus did say that God is greater than him. He also said that no one has seen God. And he referred to God by saying ‘My God’. All this show me that Jesus and God were NOT ONE.

How come you say that believing in trinity and not believing in trinity is the same! I understand that believing in trinity means you believe that Jesus and the holy spirit are parts of god, and not believing in trinity means that you do not believe that Jesus and the holy spirit are god.

I am still waiting for someone to explain the trinity in a way that I can understand it. I see many Christians trying to explain the trinity by talking about an apple, an egg, a banana, a family, and so on. It is obvious to me that Christians cannot explain the trinity because they do not understand it themselves. If you understand it, it won’t be difficult to explain it.

The Quran states clearly in so many verses that God is One. This is not confusing.
2:163. And your Allah is One Allah. There is no god but He, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

The God of the Bible is NOT the god of Quran ...

If Quran is the word of god, then your prophet Muhammad, the very person who claimed to have received “divine†revelations behind the book, himself blatantly disrespected and disobeyed his god of the Quran by marrying up to 12 wives including a child, instead of the maximum 4 that Quran allows (Sura 4:3)..

If the Quran is the word of god, then it would not have allocated so many words to temporal issues that existed only among Muhammad’s own family and fellow Muslims. For example, the Suras include a curse against Muhammad’s uncle (Sura 111), an admonition to Muhammad’s wives to remain subject to him (Sura 33), and words against the elephant brigade of Abraha, the Christian ruler of Abyssinia, who had come up against the Muslims in Mecca (Sura 105).

Obviously, the Quran is so focused and self-centred on the lifetime of Muhammad himself, making it awfully suspicious that it was a book composed by Muhammad himself and not dictated to him by some angelic spokesman of Allah !

If the Quran is the word of God, it will not contain some highly questionable scientific statements, such as the statement that human beings are formed from a clot of blood (Sura 23:14). Certainly, no reputable scientist would go along with that theory. Sura 18:86 teaches that the sun sets in a spring of murky water. Obviously no scientist, or even non-Scientists, would entertain such an absurd idea !

If the Quran is the word of God, one verse will not blatantly contradict another. One verse in the Quran affirms the doctrine of abrogation (Sura 2:106), but another verse says, “No change can there be in the word of God†(Sura 10:64).

The Quran is the word of God, and these topics that you don’t like are chosen by God Almighty. I don’t see that the Quran is only focused on the time of Prophet Muhammad, but it talks so much about the stories of the other Prophets of God, the Day of Judgment, Paradise and Hell-fire, and so many other topics. For instance, Prophet Muses is mentioned in Quran more than 130 times. And it is actually not wrong when the Quran talks about Prophet Muhammad because he is the last messenger of God, and the whole world has to learn about him.

The fact that Prophet Muhammad is not like any other Muslim man does not mean that the Quran is not the word of God. And yes his wives were also not like any other women because they married a Prophet.

33:30-32. O Consorts of the Prophet! If any of you were guilty of evident unseemly conduct, the Punishment would be doubled to her, and that is easy for Allah. But any of you that is devout in the service of Allah and His Messenger, and works righteousness,- to her shall We grant her reward twice: and We have prepared for her a generous Sustenance. O Consorts of the Prophet! Ye are not like any of the (other) women: if ye do fear ((Allah)), be not too complacent of speech, lest one in whose heart is a disease should be moved with desire: but speak ye a speech (that is) just.

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And did you know that many scientists accepted Islam after knowing about the scientific evidences in Quran? There are many scientific evidences in Quran that were only discovered recently by scientists. And if there are some scientific evidences that are not discovered by scientists yet, that does not make the word of God untrue. One of the scientific evidences of Quran is this verse:
55: 19-20. He has let free the two bodies of flowing water, meeting together: Between them is a Barrier which they do not transgress:
Scientists just recently found that this is true. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwyCfT02 ... re=related

You can find more about the miracles of Quran in YouTube if you would like to know more:
Miracles of Quran (Introduction)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHiAGHFnzMU

 

[jasoncran]

locking pending review and open promotion of islam or any other faith isnt allowed, discussion is, but not in that manner. we are christian site and dont tolerate the word of the Lord corrupt!

 

[Vic C.]

It shall stay locked Jason. I see it as unproductive and demeaning anyway. :yes