Are tongues a sign for those who believe?

[Dave Slayer]

Are tongues a sign for those who believe?

[youtube:3cywwux5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMuX1PZXTIE[/youtube:3cywwux5]

 

[GojuBrian]

Yes! They do believe! Just not in the right things.

 

[Dave Slayer]

Yes! They do believe! Just not in the right things.

I have never seen anyone speaking in tongues as a sign for unebelievers. All I see are people uttering gibberish in their assemblies via a prayer language. I don't believe that is Biblical.

 

[follower of Christ]

Yes! They do believe! Just not in the right things.

I have never seen anyone speaking in tongues as a sign for unebelievers. All I see are people uttering gibberish in their assemblies via a prayer language. I don't believe that is Biblical.

If it were biblical then certainly we should see clear evidence in the NT that it was going on.
All we really see is Paul trying to get the immature Corinthians to lay off of tongues.

And dont we find it somewhat peculiar that the ONLY church in the NT that focused on tongues was one that Paul told to stop being children and 'grow up' ??

yet in a church I desire to speak five words with my mind, so that I might also teach others, than ten thousand words in a tongue.
Brothers, do not be children in your minds, but in malice be like infants, and in your minds be mature.
(1Co 14:19-20)

And I, brothers, could not speak to you as to spiritual ones, but as to fleshly, as to babes in Christ. I have fed you with milk and not with solid food, for you were not yet able to bear it; nor are you able even now.
For you are yet carnal. For in that there is among you envyings and strife and divisions, are you not carnal, and do you not walk according to men?
(1Co 3:1-3)

Odd that we should want to practice what those carnal, immature, childish believers in Corinthian did :crazy

 

[Lee100]

Yes, Tongues are a sign but what many people don’t seam to realize is that tongues are not the only sign given in scripture.

 

[Vic C.]

1 Cor 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

 

[Dave Slayer]

1 Cor 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

:amen

If tongues are for those who don't believe, why aren't we seeing more examples of this? I don't think I have ever seen an examplwe of it. All I have seen is tongues for believers. If prophesying is for those who believe, how come we rarely see that?

 

[stranger]

[quote="Vic C.":3qlsdtw6]1 Cor 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

:amen

If tongues are for those who don't believe, why aren't we seeing more examples of this? I don't think I have ever seen an examplwe of it. All I have seen is tongues for believers. If prophesying is for those who believe, how come we rarely see that?[/quote:3qlsdtw6]

Hi Dave,

Can't say I noticed the distinction that Vic points out about tongues. I would think you will see more false signs than true, for believers and unbelievers. The thing is that when the apostles preached their preaching was attended (attested to) by God with signs and wonders. A lack of the genuine signs and wonders would indicate that the apostolic faith is not preached.

blessings

 

[Vic C.]

Stranger, there is no distinction. There is a tremendous amount of false prophesying going on toady, aimed at both the believer and unbeliever alike. I do understand Dave, most instances of tongues we witness is directed toward the believer... not scriptural.

 

[follower of Christ]

most instances of tongues we witness is directed toward the believer... not scriptural.

Absolutely.
Even at Pentecost we see those who spoke in tongues surrounded by UNbelievers who were amazed.
Its impossible to read Acts and miss the fact that Paul was right...tongues is a sign to those who believe NOT....those who need to see a sign.
Prophecy is for believers.

 

[follower of Christ]

Im going to put this in each of the tongues threads so no one misses it.

Another issue that I find VERY odd is that these in Matthew 7 who are told that Jesus NEVER knew them have some very peculiar aspects to them.

"Not everyone who keeps saying to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will get into the kingdom of heaven, but only the person who keeps doing the will of my Father in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, we prophesied in your name, drove out demons in your name, and performed many miracles in your name, didn't we?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Get away from me, you evildoers!'"
(Mat 7:21-23)

These believed that they WERE His, but for all their supposed miraculous acts they WERENT.
No claims are being made, but it is peculiar to see that the way that these folks DEFENDED themselves was by the their exhibiting the SIGN gifts, as tho that was some sort of evidence that they were Christs.

 

[Imagican]

I believe that ANYONE that has Christ LIVING in their HEART can watch such videos and CLEARLY SEE that those behaving in such a manner are POSSESSED. Not by The Holy Spirit, but by DEMONS. If one can watch this and NOT SEE, then they are about as far away from The Spirit as one could possibly BE.

When we take ALL that has been offered in Word into consideration, we can CLEARLY SEE that women CANNOT behave in such a manner THROUGH The Spirit. IMPOSSIBLE. These are behaving EXACTLY as described in the Gospels of those POSSESSED of DEMONS.

Women have been COMMANDED to behave with respect and control. This video shows JUST THE OPPOSITE. And that is EXACTLY a sign of Satanic ritual. For Satan has a tendency to do JUST THE OPPOSITE of TRUTH and inspires his followers to DO THE SAME.

So, IF your church encourages such behavior, do yourself a favor and RUN. Run away as FAST as you can. For these are NOT just appeasing the flesh, these are having themselves BOUND to Satan.

Blessings,

MEC

 

[follower of Christ]

Myself, Ive alway seen it as more a thing of disobedience and emotionalism rather than possession.
I suppose it depends on the individual circumstance.
Honestly, Im less concerned about a little bit of quietly exhibited tongues than I am about this 'falling out' thing where folks roll around like crazed animals.
At least with tongues we do see some precedent in scripture. With this other stuff where folks are out of control Id be more inclined to consider possession.

 

[Imagican]

Myself, Ive alway seen it as more a thing of disobedience and emotionalism rather than possession.
I suppose it depends on the individual circumstance.
Honestly, Im less concerned about a little bit of quietly exhibited tongues than I am about this 'falling out' thing where folks roll around like crazed animals.
At least with tongues we do see some precedent in scripture. With this other stuff where folks are out of control Id be more inclined to consider possession.

foc,

Have you ever seen any documentaries dealing with voodoo or other 'occultish' rituals?

If you have, then it's impossible NOT to recognize the similarities.

Do you believe in 'demons'?

It is pretty apparent that those that are transformed into doing that which is the OPPOSITE of what IS righteous are 'somehow' possessed to behave in such a manner. WHY else would one BECOME so 'emotional'. And you DO realize that emotion is NOT NECESSARILY a GOOD THING?

Blessings,

MEC

 

[follower of Christ]

foc,

Have you ever seen any documentaries dealing with voodoo or other 'occultish' rituals?

If you have, then it's impossible NOT to recognize the similarities.

The stuff I have seen isnt far off from the things Ive seen in many of the charismatic churches Ive visited.

Do you believe in 'demons'?

Absolutely.

It is pretty apparent that those that are transformed into doing that which is the OPPOSITE of what IS righteous are 'somehow' possessed to behave in such a manner. WHY else would one BECOME so 'emotional'.

They may well be, I just cant say with any certainty that they are or arent. What I do know is that regardless of possession, what happens in many charismatic churches isnt scriptural in the least.

And you DO realize that emotion is NOT NECESSARILY a GOOD THING?

Blessings,

MEC

Definitely.