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Are we allowed to debate the holocaust?

Strangelove said:
Are we?

Or is it off limits?
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I don't think it is off limits but like the others I wonder what the point would be given that it is historical fact. If it is going to be a conspiracy theory or denial of the holocaust then no, it will likely not be permitted.
 
I'm just going to post facts ok?

No theories....just documentation.

Is that alright?
 
Free said:
Sure.
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Ok great. Just the facts. Here we go.

NY Times reports in 1906 that Russia's "6,000,00 jews" facing a final "solution" of "systematic and murderous extermination"

STARTLING reports of the condition and future of Russia's 6,000,000 Jews were made on March 12 in Berlin to the annual meeting of the Central Jewish Relief League of Germany by Dr. Paul Nathan, a well-known Berlin publicist....

Dr. Nathan paints a horrifying picture of the plight and prospects of his coreligionists, and forecasts at any hour renewed massacres exceeding in extent and terror all that have gone before. He left St. Petersburg with the firm conviction that the Russian Government's studied policy for the "solution" of the Jewish question is systematic and murderous extermination.


LINK: Original Paper
 
dora, my family is from odessa, russia and left in the 1890s for america. none of this was mentioned as some cranmans didnt come here.

i will ask on fb.
 
Nice to see you, too! :waving

I have no idea if it's fake or not... which was why I was asking the questions...

It's way too easy to fake these kinds of things... take actual historical events (the pogroms that Russian Jews faced are well documented) and twist them around to make things not as they were... revising history is easier today than ever, especially when so many are willing to read something on a blog or whatever and run with it as truth.
 
inquiry sent on fb. its on my wall. if they respond they will tell me.you may read and comment even. my cousin david is from france and he has helped before on the holocaust and whom died in it. no cranman died in it but his cousins on his mothers died in the holocaust in poland. zlotsky was their last name. they were warned to leave poland and didnt all of them died. that was before the us got involved.
 
Ok while we're waiting for authentication, heres another..this time from 1919.

...published in the October 31, 1919 edition of The American Hebrew

By Martin H. Glynn (Former Governor of the State of N.Y.)

From across the sea six million men and women call to us for help, and eight hundred thousand little children cry for bread.

In this catastrophe, when six million human beings are being whirled toward the grave by a cruel and relentless fate, only the most idealistic promptings of human nature should sway the heart and move the hand.

Six million men and women are dying from lack of the necessaries of life; eight hundred thousand children cry for bread. And this fate is upon them through no fault of their own, through no transgression of the laws of God or man; but through the awful tyranny of war and a bigoted lust for Jewish blood.

Full article here: The Crucifixion of Jews Must Stop!

The Author: Martin H. Glynn
 
So, it looks as if your main thrust here is that it's reported that there were 6,000,000 Jews facing starvation... the "coincidence" of the number 6,000,000?
 
handy said:
So, it looks as if your main thrust here is that it's reported that there were 6,000,000 Jews facing starvation... the "coincidence" of the number 6,000,000?
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Indeed.

But also notice the sentence:

"and a bigoted lust for Jewish blood"

It's not simply starvation that is implied.

Heres another:

July 20, 1921 edition of The New York Times

BEGS AMERICA SAVE 6,000,000 IN RUSSIA

Massacre Threatens All Jews as Soviet Power Wanes, Declares Kreinin, Coming Here for Aid.

BERLIN, July 19.--Russia's 6,000,000 Jews are facing extermination by massacre. As the famine is spreading, the counter-revolutionary movement is gaining and the Soviet's control is waning.

LINK: Original Paper
 
According to the wise, wonderful Wikipedia, pogroms were responsible for the deaths of anywhere between 70,000 to 250,000 Russian Jews.

If the number is 250,000 or 70,000 as opposed to 6,000,000 how does this in reality change anything? Are we saying then that the holocaust "didn't happen"?

In other words, if the sticking point here is the number "6,000,000" and we wind up proving beyond any shadow of doubt that even in Nazi Germany there was "only" say.... 567,293 Jews killed by the Nazis... would that mean that we shouldn't teach that there was ever a holocaust or a "final solution"?
 
handy said:
According to the wise, wonderful Wikipedia, pogroms were responsible for the deaths of anywhere between 70,000 to 250,000 Russian Jews.

If the number is 250,000 or 70,000 as opposed to 6,000,000 how does this in reality change anything? Are we saying then that the holocaust "didn't happen"?

In other words, if the sticking point here is the number "6,000,000" and we wind up proving beyond any shadow of doubt that even in Nazi Germany there was "only" say.... 567,293 Jews killed by the Nazis... would that mean that we shouldn't teach that there was ever a holocaust or a "final solution"?
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I guess the question is...

Is the truth important?

Not just the truth about how many died, but also the truth about how they died?

We want to know all the truth...don't we?

If history is drastically wrong about the number that died, is it possible that other areas of the storyline are wrong also?

For example, did you know that wherever the "Final Solution" is mentioned in official nazi governmental documentation it is ALWAYS in regard to a programme of emmigration or evacuation of the jews either to the island of Madagascar or to the east, towards Russia?
 
NY Times refers to "European holocaust" of Jews in 1936.

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