Are We Now Ready To Fight Or To Die?

[LovethroughDove]

To answer the question to the title of this post.

I am ready to fight the spiritual battle with my death.
John 15:13 Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.

Romans 12:1-2 Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God - this is your spiritual act of worship. Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is - his good, pleasing and perfect will.

I used to think I would do anything to save myself and my loved ones, but I am not afraid of death anymore. And the torture I may encounter in this lifetime, would not compare to an eternity in hell.

Matthew 5:22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.

People think hell is a joke. I'm not laughing.

 

[ezra]

To answer the question to the title of this post.

I am ready to fight the spiritual battle with my death.
John 15:13 Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.

Romans 12:1-2 Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God - this is your spiritual act of worship. Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is - his good, pleasing and perfect will.

I used to think I would do anything to save myself and my loved ones, but I am not afraid of death anymore. And the torture I may encounter in this lifetime, would not compare to an eternity in hell.

Matthew 5:22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.

People think hell is a joke. I'm not laughing.

you keep thinking that. this was a act of war and war is what it is going to take. your taking scriptures out of context

 

[LovethroughDove]

you keep thinking that. this was a act of war and war is what it is going to take. your taking scriptures out of context

Ephesians 6:12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of the evil in the heavenly realms.

Romans 3:15-18 "Their feet are swift to shed blood; ruin and misery mark their ways, and the way of peace they do not know." "There is no fear of God before their eyes."

Yep, exactly what I stated before.

 

[ezra]

Ephesians 6:12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of the evil in the heavenly realms.

Romans 3:15-18 "Their feet are swift to shed blood; ruin and misery mark their ways, and the way of peace they do not know." "There is no fear of God before their eyes."

Yep, exactly what I stated before.

yup took out of context. curious should we have help free the Jews from the death camps?

 

[Fish Catcher Jim]

To answer the question to the title of this post.

I am ready to fight the spiritual battle with my death.
John 15:13 Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.

Romans 12:1-2 Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God - this is your spiritual act of worship. Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is - his good, pleasing and perfect will.

I used to think I would do anything to save myself and my loved ones, but I am not afraid of death anymore. And the torture I may encounter in this lifetime, would not compare to an eternity in hell.

Matthew 5:22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.

People think hell is a joke. I'm not laughing.

Loving Dove,
Hi I admire your heart and your believing very much.
I appreciate your scriptures very much as well. The problem I do have is the choice of the scriptures. Romans 12:1-2 are very wonderful scripturtes and I live by them, however in context to the entire chapter, this scripture is refering to renewing the mind unto Gods word, Not living as you did before you were saved and the unsaved world does.
This in no way speaking about devfending your country or land or family.

Matthew 5:22...is also a scripture that Ilive by, but is the subject manner truly my brother ? The scripture I do believe is talkihng about being angry with a christian brother.......Now then I did not say we can hate or just kill evil or bad acting non believers......That is another topic and thread....

Who is a police man loving dove? He is a minister of God for OUR GOOD...let him work and do his job.
A Christian in the military is not held accountable for killing, however he can NOT walk in hater.
LOOK it up...it's in the bible.....
Jim

 

[Deborah13]

To answer the question to the title of this post.

I am ready to fight the spiritual battle with my death.
John 15:13 Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.

Romans 12:1-2 Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God - this is your spiritual act of worship. Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is - his good, pleasing and perfect will.

I used to think I would do anything to save myself and my loved ones, but I am not afraid of death anymore. And the torture I may encounter in this lifetime, would not compare to an eternity in hell.

Matthew 5:22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.

People think hell is a joke. I'm not laughing.

Most of the scriptures that you have posted are not talking about dieing rather than fighting for your life or the lives of others.
Jesus was talking about dieing for the cause of Christianity, martyrs.
Dieing because some hoodlum breaks into your house is not dieing as a martyr.
Jesus said if someone stole from you give him the rest. That I understand, as material things are just that, things. But He never says sacrifice your children to some crazy, murdering idolator.

 

[th1b.taylor]

So what is your point?. Am i suppose to live in fear for my entire life now?

I just dont get why people try to spread fear.

Not fear, wisdom. On the day we were on final, into a firebase when we suddenly dropped from 5 or 600 to about 10 feet off the ground, flying away from the firebase. The M60s had just been stowed and the Crewchief and Door Gunner do not wear seat belts on the Ds nor the Hs of the Hueys in 'nam. Had the Pilot never prepared, in any manor, for a Down Burst Recovery we would have all died that day.

But they had prepared and they did not think about what to do and neither did I nor the gunner. On recovery I was holding my Chicken Pole with my right hand and the Gun mount with my left. My Gunner I do not know what he did o remain inside the wide open door on his side but he did that the Pilot for being so sharp and later over some cheap rum he thanked me for being a real pain in the rear about planing for what if.

All of the different factions can, at this point, be defeated but if this insanity is permitted to grow, unrestrained, and this is the beginning of the build up to the great Tribulation. As Christians we are to resist evil and God has not given us over to helplessness but failure to act will result in just that, helplessness.

 

[th1b.taylor]

There are many answers to that as there are many motives for doing so. Mostly you can bank on either not knowing or justification for something.

You're right there are many answers, not for spreading fear but for forewarning folks.

 

[th1b.taylor]

To answer the question to the title of this post.

I am ready to fight the spiritual battle with my death.
John 15:13 Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.

Romans 12:1-2 Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God - this is your spiritual act of worship. Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is - his good, pleasing and perfect will.

I used to think I would do anything to save myself and my loved ones, but I am not afraid of death anymore. And the torture I may encounter in this lifetime, would not compare to an eternity in hell.

Matthew 5:22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.

People think hell is a joke. I'm not laughing.

Are you? This is a Spiritual War of religion against relationship but it is being fought on the Natural Level.

 

[Jesse]

Loving Dove,
Hi I admire your heart and your believing very much.
I appreciate your scriptures very much as well. The problem I do have is the choice of the scriptures. Romans 12:1-2 are very wonderful scripturtes and I live by them, however in context to the entire chapter, this scripture is refering to renewing the mind unto Gods word, Not living as you did before you were saved and the unsaved world does.
This in no way speaking about devfending your country or land or family.

Matthew 5:22...is also a scripture that Ilive by, but is the subject manner truly my brother ? The scripture I do believe is talkihng about being angry with a christian brother.......Now then I did not say we can hate or just kill evil or bad acting non believers......That is another topic and thread....

Who is a police man loving dove? He is a minister of God for OUR GOOD...let him work and do his job.
A Christian in the military is not held accountable for killing, however he can NOT walk in hater.
LOOK it up...it's in the bible.....
Jim

Standing idle by and watching people get beheaded and doing nothing, well, that is the sin of knowing what you aught to do and not doing it.

 

[LovethroughDove]

Thank you all for responding. I get the sense that I am being misunderstood, in some way. I will use myself as a living sacrifice for others. That means I will put myself in the way....I will take the chance. I will not use any force to accomplish God's purpose. I see this as God's calling on a Christian life. Why would anyone be "better" than an evil one if they are doing the same thing?

Things are not the same since Jesus showed up in his body. You can't say I am doing God's will, by killing people. By the way..........Islamists are doing that. Since the Holy Spirit can enter flesh since Jesus went back to heaven.......the Holy Spirit is the one who gives us the strength to be that sacrifice.

I am not taking scripture out of context. If you can show me a Christian in the New Testament that had a justifiable killing. I will denounce myself as Christian. So, Christian military is an oxymoron.

 

[Deborah13]

Thank you all for responding. I get the sense that I am being misunderstood, in some way. I will use myself as a living sacrifice for others. That means I will put myself in the way....I will take the chance. I will not use any force to accomplish God's purpose. I see this as God's calling on a Christian life. Why would anyone be "better" than an evil one if they are doing the same thing?

Things are not the same since Jesus showed up in his body. You can't say I am doing God's will, by killing people. By the way..........Islamists are doing that. Since the Holy Spirit can enter flesh since Jesus went back to heaven.......the Holy Spirit is the one who gives us the strength to be that sacrifice.

I am not taking scripture out of context. If you can show me a Christian in the New Testament that had a justifiable killing. I will denounce myself as Christian. So, Christian military is an oxymoron.

When you can show me one in the NT that fits a scenario of war or a child being attacked by a predictor, etc. then I will consider your view.

I'm confused, you would denounce Christ if God doesn't have the same view as you?

 

[LovethroughDove]

It won't happen. That is why I said it.

 

[Northman]

You're right there are many answers, not for spreading fear but for forewarning folks.

Completely understood. I just cant bring myself to agree with too many of the assesments made so far so it was said to alleviate tension that one guy that has an actual problem with freaking out was having.

I couldnt, under any sun, concur that ISIS or ISIL or whatever they are compare in any way/shape/form to pre-WW2 Germany. If the one was like the other, then yes there would be cause for that level of concern. It just simply not so. There is no hidden build up of military hardware that when unleashed will shake the foundations of power established. They have no industry building anything. We see their full strength already and as Micheal has already described, its waning due mainly to the insanity.

The original question. Fight or die. How about both? If it comes then it comes. At that time ill be found standing shoulder to shoulder with those like we havent seen fight for about 60 years. Until then, i nor my sons will join a standing secular army to be used as weight to throw around at the already destitute and opressed.

The rhetoric that pours out from the upper echelons of all lands we live and their revised history doesnt fool me. Their hypocracy is revealed. They dont champion freedom anywhere. They vie for power and wealth, nothing more.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Thank you all for responding. I get the sense that I am being misunderstood, in some way. I will use myself as a living sacrifice for others. That means I will put myself in the way....I will take the chance. I will not use any force to accomplish God's purpose. I see this as God's calling on a Christian life. Why would anyone be "better" than an evil one if they are doing the same thing?

Things are not the same since Jesus showed up in his body. You can't say I am doing God's will, by killing people. By the way..........Islamists are doing that. Since the Holy Spirit can enter flesh since Jesus went back to heaven.......the Holy Spirit is the one who gives us the strength to be that sacrifice.

I am not taking scripture out of context. If you can show me a Christian in the New Testament that had a justifiable killing. I will denounce myself as Christian. So, Christian military is an oxymoron.

But you are. You are hung up in the Life Application Commentary and I honestly, yet to see you use the Bible. I have explained it many times that Jesus, Peter, James, Paul and the others taught from the Bible as their words and letters composed the instrument we have termed the New Testament. In the Bible, specifically in the case of, King David, we learn not to attack What God has put into place but rather to be willing to die for it, in mortal combat if needed. David did not present himself a lamb on the Alter Sacrifice, rather, he warred to protect all that God pled into being for holiness.

You are taking the New Testament out of context the very moment you settle there, as you have. Aside from the four Gospel accounts, the Acts of the Apostles, and the Revelation of the Christ, the New Testament is a bunch of letters, epistles, explaining application of scripture.

When Jesus read from the Bible (Luke 4:16) He didn't read from the Book of Matthew, no He read from Isaiah 61 in the Bible. Jesus/God had already completed the writing of the Bible, about, four hundred years before and the Jewish Believer, just as most Christian Believers had, as we liked to say in the world of Aviation, screwed the pouch. People then and people now believe God meant the Ten Commandments be strictly adhered to in order to be saved before Jesus was nailed to the cross.

Then, as now, everybody just trashed the Abrahamic account of Salvation by Grace for no other reason than man likes to earn everything. Just as Paul explains, the Holy Commandments were and are, in spite of the protestations, our teacher. Man, every one of us, is born into sin and there is no hope of ever living the Ten Commandments when the first thing we do after birth is to scream at an adult, we sin, immediately. No human has ever been saved except by Grace.

When the New Testament is read in context this is the message of Grace that Jesus taught. But, the context of the New Testament is not correctly viewed without the removal of the imaginary block between the Old and the New. The Christian Bible consists of the Bible given by Jesus before His birth by Mary and the Life Application Commentary, written after His death but still inspired by Him for He will never suffer the Second Death. The context of the New Testament runs from "In the beginning..." through the very last Amen of The Revelation.

The reading of one testament without the inclusion of the other is the hot bed of coals where heresy is born. Praying that the reading of His Word will be a blessing to your heart.

 

[th1b.taylor]

It won't happen. That is why I said it.

Thou shall not tempt the Lord, thy God.

 

[Fish Catcher Jim]

I am not taking scripture out of context. If you can show me a Christian in the New Testament that had a justifiable killing. I will denounce myself as Christian. So, Christian military is an oxymoron.

LovethroughDove HI,
Listen to me PLEASE............This is some truth for you. DO NOT ever play or be silly or say things such as you did here and yes I know you said you knew it could not be proven so you had no concerns....Someting along those lines..
Any way YOU may be playing or not taking what you wroter seriously BUT let me tell you this SATIN our enemy does not play and takes everything you say serious and he will jump on the band wagon with words like this...YOU have been warned......

Also here is something I want you to read and I will give more later and explain but I have to shut dowen and leave.
This misinterpretation is due to a language shift since the days of King James, when that version of the Ten Commandments was set forth. The term "kill" back then meant what "murder" means today, and I think that everyone would agree that that's a good thing to prohibit in strong, absolute terms.

If you look through the King James Version of the Bible, you don't see the word "kill" used very often, and when it's used it invariably refers to murder. For a non-murderous cause of death, the word is "slay". This is what soldiers do to each other.

That is something I was reading else where about this topic. I aam putting this persons words up for now so you can start to grasp what we are saying.......I have more I will add later....
Be strong in the Lord and seek Understanding...His understanding and not our own
Jim

 

[Gary]

Standing idle by and watching people get beheaded and doing nothing, well, that is the sin of knowing what you aught to do and not doing it.

I believe the bible refers to it as "the patience of the saints". I could be wrong, but I don't believe it's a sin to not want to fight back. I'm not saying I would go that route, but I don't believe it's wrong if others choose to.

Just saying...

.

 

[Jesse]

I believe the bible refers to it as "the patience of the saints". I could be wrong, but I don't believe it's a sin to not want to fight back. I'm not saying I would go that route, but I don't believe it's wrong if others choose to.

Just saying...

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Unless it's a parent or someone responsible for the care of another who stands by and watches their child be harmed, they were given a responsibility to protect them.

A person can stand by and do nothing, but they should also respect the person who God calls upon to fight and not tell them they "aren't doing what Jesus would do".

It's a two way street.

 

[Gary]

A person can stand by and do nothing, but they should also respect the person who God calls upon to fight and not tell them they "aren't doing what Jesus would do".

I don't believe I said that.

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