Are you a true Sabbath keeper?

[Elijah674]

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a feast day or a new moon or a sabbath day:
Col 2:17 which are a shadow of the things to come; but the body is Christ's.

A shadow happens when the real thing stands in the light. Its a dark and imperfect copy of what is real.The Sabbath is a shadow.

Hey, where do you see [anything] of even a hint about these things in Christ's Eternal Law?? (Exod. 20) And you do believe that HIS Law is to be recreated in/to the Born Again heart, (Heb. 10:15-16) right??? You surely have understood that Moses laws had many sabbath for special Jewish occasions? ( 2 Chron. 8:12-13)

[13] Even after a certain rate every day, offering according to the commandment of Moses, on the sabbaths, and on the new moons, and on the solemn feasts, three times in the year, even in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles.

--Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

And what were Christ's commandments?

Did not mean to by/pass this! But the post could just ask any Heb. 5 cradel/roll class for that answer!
We are perhaps unto Heb. 6:3

--Elijah

 

[Cornelius]

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a feast day or a new moon or a sabbath day:
Col 2:17 which are a shadow of the things to come; but the body is Christ's.

A shadow happens when the real thing stands in the light. Its a dark and imperfect copy of what is real.The Sabbath is a shadow.

Hey, where do you see [anything] of even a hint about these things in Christ's Eternal Law?? (Exod. 20) And you do believe that HIS Law is to be recreated in/to the Born Again heart, (Heb. 10:15-16) right??? You surely have understood that Moses laws had many sabbath for special Jewish occasions? ( 2 Chron. 8:12-13)

[13] Even after a certain rate every day, offering according to the commandment of Moses, on the sabbaths, and on the new moons, and on the solemn feasts, three times in the year, even in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles.

--Elijah

I must still disagree: We are specifically told here that the Sabbath is just a shadow. Plus we are instructed not to judge people regarding it. If you want to keep it, then keep it.

In reality all the feasts are just shadows. They too, like the Sabbath, point to a fulfillment. The Feast of Unleavened Bread for instance have another name too: The Wedding Feast. It is also called the Tribulation. Contradiction? No of course not. During the last seven years, we will again eat the unleavened bread of the PURE Word. It will indeed be a feast. All human error will be taken out by the Lord, when He manifests in His first fruits company.The First Fruits (man child Rev 12) will nourish the church for the first 3 and half years and teach her the true gospel again.

They will nourish (Feast of Unleavened Bread) the woman in the wilderness.Rev 12:6 And the woman (church) fled into the wilderness (Tribulation) , where she hath a place prepared of God, that there they (First fruits company) may nourish her(Feast of Unleavened Bread) a thousand two hundred and threescore days. (Three and a half years)

 

[Elijah674]

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a feast day or a new moon or a sabbath day:
Col 2:17 which are a shadow of the things to come; but the body is Christ's.

A shadow happens when the real thing stands in the light. Its a dark and imperfect copy of what is real.The Sabbath is a shadow.

Hey, where do you see [anything] of even a hint about these things in Christ's Eternal Law?? (Exod. 20) And you do believe that HIS Law is to be recreated in/to the Born Again heart, (Heb. 10:15-16) right??? You surely have understood that Moses laws had many sabbath for special Jewish occasions? ( 2 Chron. 8:12-13)

[13] Even after a certain rate every day, offering according to the commandment of Moses, on the sabbaths, and on the new moons, and on the solemn feasts, three times in the year, even in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles.

--Elijah

I must still disagree: We are specifically told here that the Sabbath is just a shadow. Plus we are instructed not to judge people regarding it. If you want to keep it, then keep it.

In reality all the feasts are just shadows. They too, like the Sabbath, point to a fulfillment. The Feast of Unleavened Bread for instance have another name too: The Wedding Feast. It is also called the Tribulation. Contradiction? No of course not. During the last seven years, we will again eat the unleavened bread of the PURE Word. It will indeed be a feast. All human error will be taken out by the Lord, when He manifests in His first fruits company.The First Fruits (man child Rev 12) will nourish the church for the first 3 and half years and teach her the true gospel again.

They will nourish (Feast of Unleavened Bread) the woman in the wilderness.Rev 12:6 And the woman (church) fled into the wilderness (Tribulation) , where she hath a place prepared of God, that there they (First fruits company) may nourish her(Feast of Unleavened Bread) a thousand two hundred and threescore days. (Three and a half years)

I have NO PROBLEM with us'ins not agreeing. What does bother me is when one posts something for fact that 'i' see is opposite to me in scripture. Right or wrong, we are not both right is obvious? And that finds WARNINGS for one of us, if not both! And when you are convinced of your post, I would be suspected of teaching error.

A Christian would best state that this is how they see it, unless they know what they are talking about. And usally when a Born Again one who Loves Christ does indeed state a fact, it is the Word that is given, not the attack of the poster.
--Elijah

 

[glorydaz]

Under the Sabbath Law no man was to go out of his place....

See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.

Paul didn't keep the Sabbath here when he went out of the city...
He knew the sabbath was only a shadow of the Messiah and His rest.
It is only through Jesus that we can truly find rest for our souls.

And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.

 

[Elijah674]

--Elijah here: We hear that the Born Again mind is to let the carnal body control it huh! (sick!)

And we hear that we are now under Grace. Great, we are, Praise be to our Master! First comes though, that we are required to be Born Again. Now we are Under Grace, Saving Grace! We are New Creatures..Reborn, but can we still sin?? Under Grace?? If we are under Grace from here on, why do we now need our Hebrews 9:11-14's High Priest?

"But Christ being come an High Priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building, Neither by the blood of goats and caves, but by His own blood he entered in once into the Holy Place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. ... (notice!) purge your conscience from dead works to serve a living God?"

So now we are when Born Again, and under Grace! That makes the 'conscience' at peace with the mind, huh? What is Christ now doing in verse 7? But into the second went the High Priest (earthly) alone once every year ... The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the Holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing. Which was a figure of the true ... Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation."

Did you get all of this? These laws all prefigured Christ 'Confirmation', death on the cross and our ever living High Priest. Now Grace?? No more Law?? And does it say that the law of God was voided out here? Or the above that prefigured the true? The Laws that Moses penned which stood in 'washings', 'carnal ordinances' until the Galatians 3:19 'Promise' was confirmed? "Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, til the seed should come to whom the promise was made..."

Well now, Christ came, and we are under Grace. This law was added because of sin. Yet, there would be no sin in heaven, (satan) or Adam on earth without the Eternal Covenant! (Hebrews 13:20) "Whosoever committeth sin trangresseth also the law, for sin is the transgression of the law" 1 John 3:4

So, it is not hard for any Born Again Christian to see that this ten Commandment Eternal Covenant is not these laws to the left of the cross of Christ, 'carnal ordinances, imposed upon them until the reformation', or the time that Christ became our High Priest. These were all the Law of Moses of Deuteronomy 31:9, Deuteronomy 31:24-25. that were placed in the side of the Ark of God, not inside of it where the Ten Commandments were kept.

The Ark of God??
Christ's death sent Him where, as our High Priest?? The Vail of the earthly Temple was rent from top to bottom by an unseen hand, making the way into the Most Holy Place where the Ark of the Eternal Covenant of God is at the Present time! Notice Hebrews 9:3 "And after the second Vail, which is called the Holiest of all, which had ... the Ark of the Covenant ... and the tables of the Covenant" (Moses laws remember were in the [side] of the Ark, not inside. Yet, take note of this verse in Revelation 11:18-19)
".. and the time of the dead, that should be judged, and should have reward, ... ***And the Temple of God was *IN HEAVEN and there was SEEN THE ARK OF HIS TESTAMENT."
Under Grace? Are you in need of Christ our High Priest? Why? Do you sin?? We see that it is not possible to sin without a law! 1 John 3:4
So if one sins & is under Grace, then there is still a Eternal Covenant Law (ten Commandments) and there is still Grace if one asks for forgiveness of your sin right?? Do we believe in our Lords Prayer?? Now, when I sin, am I still under Grace without asking for forgiveness?If I say yes, am I telling the Truth that I am under Grace while not asking for forgiveness, or have I just knowingly broken the Commandment of lying? Still under Grace you say?? If so, why have a High Priest Savior in the first place to ask forgiveness of 'our sins'? (again, no law, no sin)

OK: Sin of ignorance & sin of open knowledge. All transgression of the Eternal Covenant law is still sin! The Covenant in heaven is what Christ's work is pertaining to, for us. When we sin, we are right back condemned under the Eternal Covenant of God. We then ask for forgiveness of our sins. And then we are again forgiven. But notice that we Born Again ones, are to now said to be 'Led' by the Holy Ghost in Romans 8:14. Now what are we being led to do? The Royal Eternal Covenant of the Godhead is perfect, converting the soul! It has no sin, it is the very 'Epistle' or Christ! 2 Corinthians 3:3 (perfect-flawless) The Holy Spirit leads us into all Truth, that is the Covenant of God. See Christ's work of Isaiah 42:21.

For any to be led otherwise?? Is to revolt! It Grieves & it Quenches the one leading us! In time He will quite His 'Striving' with us! See Acts 9:5 with Saul 'it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks' and Genesis 6:3 . There comes a time that we just will not be led, and God quits striving with us. See Revelation 3:16-17 . Well, back in the Holy place of Grace, while we are in obedience, we see in Hebrews 10:23 that it is not yet a done deal of once under Grace always under Grace. "Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering.." And Hebrews 10:26-29 "For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the Truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sin, But a certain fearful looking for of the judgement and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries."

Under Grace you still say? When one knows that they are 'openly sinning "Willfully" the verse says? To say that I am under Grace while "willfully" sinning is bringing me right into Bondage of the breaking of the Eternal Covenant Law of God! Willfully, openly! Not only doing the lawbreaking, but with even being an PARTAKER of any sin. Revelation 18:4. Any known breaking of the Covenant of God, the 7th day Sabbath 'Openly' included! James 2:8-12. And it states that this Royal Law will be our standard in Judgement to see if our profession matches our character.

In closing: Born Again? Under Grace. Perfect at this point! Romans 8:1. The Positives of Hebrews 6:1-5! Then comes 'willful' dis/obedience, openly. What are we then [knowingly] doing?? All of us that are Born Again know for sure what we are doing when the Holy Spirit leads us and we go against His Leading! Remember forum, that these ones have the Covenant written in their 'minds'! See Hebrews 10:16.

Well, under Grace can change very quickly to being under Bondage, when 'willfully done'. Then notice what the ex/under Grace one knowingly has done? Hebrews 6:6 says: "... seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put Him to an [open] shame."

Lord, I love you, but I do not love your Eternal Covenant Epistle! Under Grace still? Hardly! See Obadia 16 for the ones seen above.

 

[glorydaz]

A person can obey the Ten commandments and still walk in disobedience.

Look at a woman with lust....call someone a fool.
We are called to a higher standard.

Grace does not give a person license to sin...who claims such a thing?
Grace enables us to do the will of God in our lives.

No one should try to put believers back under the yoke of bondage...it didn't work for the Jews and it won't work for us. The Royal Law of love covers not only the Ten, but the approximately 180 commandments given in the New Covenant. The born-again believer does not obey out of bondage, but out of love for our Lord.

 

[Elijah674]

A person can obey the Ten commandments and still walk in disobedience.

Look at a woman with lust....call someone a fool.
We are called to a higher standard.

Grace does not give a person license to sin...who claims such a thing?
Grace enables us to do the will of God in our lives.

No one should try to put believers back under the yoke of bondage...it didn't work for the Jews and it won't work for us. The Royal Law of love covers not only the Ten, but the approximately 180 commandments given in the New Covenant. The born-again believer does not obey out of bondage, but out of love for our Lord.

Hey, come on and quite playing [posting] games with God! (not me) Surely all Indians are Cherokee, but all Cherokee are INDIANS! [I doub't if that made any sense with you either! ) In other words Sabbath Obedience saves NO ONE, yet, NO BORN AGAIN KNOWLEDGEABLE CHRISTIAN would not be a 7Th Day Sabbath keeper.
--Elijah

 

[glorydaz]

A person can obey the Ten commandments and still walk in disobedience.

Look at a woman with lust....call someone a fool.
We are called to a higher standard.

Grace does not give a person license to sin...who claims such a thing?
Grace enables us to do the will of God in our lives.

No one should try to put believers back under the yoke of bondage...it didn't work for the Jews and it won't work for us. The Royal Law of love covers not only the Ten, but the approximately 180 commandments given in the New Covenant. The born-again believer does not obey out of bondage, but out of love for our Lord.

Hey, come on and quite playing [posting] games with God! (not me) Surely all Indians are Cherokee, but all Cherokee are INDIANS! [I doub't if that made any sense with you either! ) In other words Sabbath Obedience saves NO ONE, yet, NO BORN AGAIN KNOWLEDGEABLE CHRISTIAN would not be a 7Th Day Sabbath keeper.
--Elijah

You're wrong about that. Every "born again knowledgeable Christian" I've ever met or known is not a Sabbath keeper. I know some Adventists are sabbath keepers. Is that what you are?

 

[Adullam]

Christianity is not a "play by the rules" religion in which members must agree to a set a rules. Christianity is a new life in the Spirit. It is not a human effort religion. The old sin nature wants hoops to jump through in order to justify itself. A true Christian worships God in SPIRIT and TRUTH. No flesh displays!

 

[Elijah674]

A person can obey the Ten commandments and still walk in disobedience.

Look at a woman with lust....call someone a fool.
We are called to a higher standard.

Grace does not give a person license to sin...who claims such a thing?
Grace enables us to do the will of God in our lives.

No one should try to put believers back under the yoke of bondage...it didn't work for the Jews and it won't work for us. The Royal Law of love covers not only the Ten, but the approximately 180 commandments given in the New Covenant. The born-again believer does not obey out of bondage, but out of love for our Lord.

Hey, come on and quite playing [posting] games with God! (not me) Surely all Indians are Cherokee, but all Cherokee are INDIANS! [I doub't if that made any sense with you either! ) In other words Sabbath Obedience saves NO ONE, yet, NO BORN AGAIN KNOWLEDGEABLE CHRISTIAN would not be a 7Th Day Sabbath keeper.
--Elijah

You're wrong about that. Every "born again knowledgeable Christian" I've ever met or known is not a Sabbath keeper. I know some Adventists are sabbath keepers. Is that what you are?

NO. There is NO WAY for me to be an Adventist. But seeing that you are getting personal, 'i' would like to know how you know who is Born Again, (can you read one's motives??) seeing that the Holy Spirit [documents] that the only ones who [HAVE HIM GIVEN THEM] are the ones [WHO OBEY HIM]. And most tell us that they need not keep (work) His Obedience but just believe??? And even then I need Gospel for your assertion, for me to believe that!

PS: And NO, I am not wrong about that. Anyone who is Born Again will be LED into ALL TRUTH IF they can be. And I did say [KNOWLEDGABLE PERSON].

--Elijah

 

[Geo]

Is itt a burden to keep the sabbath day holy?

I would really love to know exactly how you keep the Sabbath these days. Which set of rules do you follow , or have you adapted the Jewish rules ?

Well, where would you check to find out?

The Ten Commandment 'Epistle' of Christ is recreated into the heart & mind of the Born Again ones. ( 2 Cor. 3:3 & Hebrews.10:15-16.)

Can I find it on my heart? If yes, case solved.

If no, lets' assume I either cannot read my heart, or my mind suppresses my heart with its own understanding, so where then would I find a personal word spoken by God detailing the answer to that question ?

 

[Cornelius]

Is itt a burden to keep the sabbath day holy?

I would really love to know exactly how you keep the Sabbath these days. Which set of rules do you follow , or have you adapted the Jewish rules ?

Well, where would you check to find out?

The Ten Commandment 'Epistle' of Christ is recreated into the heart & mind of the Born Again ones. ( 2 Cor. 3:3 & Hebrews.10:15-16.)

Can I find it on my heart? If yes, case solved.

If no, lets' assume I either cannot read my heart, or my mind suppresses my heart with its own understanding, so where then would I find a personal word spoken by God detailing the answer to that question ?

This is a Jewish Law, so I would look at what they are doing (or not) on the Sabbath. We are not told to reinterpret the Law . I have already given a real list, that comes from a real Jewish site. I suggest you look into it , so that you do not make mistakes through ignorance. Every little thing is very important and stipulated under the Law. For instance you have to light your candles at a precise time:

CANDLE LIGHTING TIMES

It is a major responsibility for all Jews to honor the Sabbath or festival by lighting candles 18 minutes before sunset. This unique commandment, entrusted to the Jewish woman, is rich with meaning and purpose. In a world so full of darkness the candles lit by Jewish women and girls bring light, joy and holiness. A little light, our sages say, dispels much darkness. It is very important to know the exact candle-lighting time, because we are not allowed, under any circumstances, to kindle these or any other lights after sunset

and

Married women should light at least two candles, corresponding to the two commandments of "Remember the Sabbath" (Exodus 20:8) and "Observe the Sabbath" (Deuteronomy 5:12) but single women, and even young girls, light only one (in deference to their mothers).

and

Requirements

4. Sabbath is for rest and Sacred Assembly.

No work is to be done on the Sabbath. The words used in the Bible which are translated into English as "work" are the Hebrew words kol–m'law·khaw meaning "all and any kind of creative 'generative' endeavor, changes to the environment or any object."

Lev. 23:3
There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, a day of sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; wherever you live, it is a Sabbath to HaShem.

Exodus 34:21
Six days you shall labor, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during the plowing season and harvest you must rest.

5. Preparation and cooking of food prohibited.

These are prime examples of work which is "generative" - i.e., changing something's character. Boiling includes not only bringing a liquid to a boil with food in it, but changing food by pouring boiling water over it. It is also considered cooking to boil the water itself. Baking means not just warming something to make it better to eat, but includes bringing something to a high temperature - high enough to change it. This includes toasting bread, even in an already heated oven or surface.

Very interesting. Here is the link, so that you can know how to now make any mistakes:

http://www.teshuvah.com/articles/shabbat/sabbath1.htm

 

[Cornelius]

6. Carrying anything out of a "domain" is prohibited.

"Domain" means your home/property, building/campus, etc. A walled city is considered a single domain. It should be noted that many Jewish communities have established an "eruv," which is a fence which legally establishes the community as a single domain.

Jer. 17: 21
This is what HaShem says: Be careful not to carry a load on the Sabbath day or bring it through the gates of Jerusalem. Do not bring a load out of your houses or do any work on the Sabbath, but keep the Sabbath day holy, as I commanded your forefathers.

 

[Cornelius]

8. Lighting a fire on the Sabbath is not permitted.

This is understood to mean doing anything on Sabbath which directly or indirectly lights a fire, such as striking a match, lighting a gas stove, adding wood to a fire, changing a thermostat so as to start a gas or oil furnace, etc. Using (turning on and off) electricity or anything electronic is included in this rule.

Exodus 35:3
Do not light a fire in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day.

 

[Cornelius]

Penalty

9. Penalty for desecrating the Sabbath is death.

It is not totally clear what the modern response should be to requirements of the death penalty for desecrating the Sabbath. Since the Theocracy of Yisrael does not currently exist, the death penalty for desecrating the Sabbath is not possible. However, throughout history the importance of the Sabbath for keeping the Jewish people alive is evident. It is clear that the person can and should be considered as having strayed from the Jewish community. This parallels "must be cut off from his people" as in verse 14.

Exodus 31:13-15
Say to the Israelites, "You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am HaShem, who makes you holy. Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death; whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from his people. For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to HaShem. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death."

Num. 15:32-36
While the Israelites were in the desert, a man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath day. Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly, and they kept him in custody, because it was not clear what should be done to him. Then HaShem said to Moshe, "The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp." So the assembly took him outside the camp and stoned him to death, as HaShem commanded Moshe.

 

[Cornelius]

Penalty

9. Penalty for desecrating the Sabbath is death.

It is not totally clear what the modern response should be to requirements of the death penalty for desecrating the Sabbath.

Surely the penalty must still be death. There is no such thing as a "modern response" so they should still carry out the same penalty for those who are under the Law.

Gal 5:4 Ye are severed from Christ, ye who would be justified by the law; ye are fallen away from grace. So surely they should still be judged by the Law,because there is not grace attached to it.

 

[Elijah674]

http://www.teshuvah.com/articles/shabbat/sabbath1.htm[/quote]

Elijah here: not above!
You find your creditable information from the ones whose house was the Matt. 23:38 Abomination, of which Christ called an Aomination! And your other information from the Jer. 17:5 of Rev. 17:1-5 ones???
There 'lies' your [posting] mistakes! Surely you know that there are hardly any two that agree on much of ALL OF THESE ONES!? But yes, they all do seem to agree to hate Christ the Law Giver. 'IF YE LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS' Then comes Dan. 7:25

--Elijah

 

[Adullam]

Commandments of Christ:

Be ye therefore perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Love your enemies.

Love one another as I (Christ) have loved you.

Forsake all to follow Him.

Don't look back at this world.

Take a low place.

Watch and pray.

Eat His body and drink His blood.

etc...

The laws of Christ are usually circumvented by those who wish to make a good showing in the flesh...using the old Mosaic laws to justify their lack of commitment to the death of their old lives. The laws of Christ go FARTHER than the Mosaic laws. The Mosaic laws are detailed, but made for a carnal man. Grace is given from above to do what only Christ in a person can do. Grace is supernatural power! The abiblity to obey the "impossible" commands of Christ. The true sabbath ceasing is the death of the old sin nature...we are to not draw strength from there anymore. The law is onto death...but the Spirit is unto life! We are to be connected to the divine life of Christ through faith. That is Christianity. A carnal keeping of the law is not the purpose of the law. It is a tutor to bring us to true holiness in Christ.

 

[glorydaz]

Commandments of Christ:

Be ye therefore perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Love your enemies.

Love one another as I (Christ) have loved you.

Forsake all to follow Him.

Don't look back at this world.

Take a low place.

Watch and pray.

Eat His body and drink His blood.

etc...

The laws of Christ are usually circumvented by those who wish to make a good showing in the flesh...using the old Mosaic laws to justify their lack of commitment to the death of their old lives. The laws of Christ go FARTHER than the Mosaic laws. The Mosaic laws are detailed, but made for a carnal man. Grace is given from above to do what only Christ in a person can do. Grace is supernatural power! The abiblity to obey the "impossible" commands of Christ. The true sabbath ceasing is the death of the old sin nature...we are to not draw strength from there anymore. The law is onto death...but the Spirit is unto life! We are to be connected to the divine life of Christ through faith. That is Christianity. A carnal keeping of the law is not the purpose of the law. It is a tutor to bring us to true holiness in Christ.

:amen We have a higher calling....a new and better covenant.