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Are you for or against the death penalty?

Are you for or against the death penalty?

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Hitch said:
Gods perfect justice is ,by design, administered by fallible men.
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The Law of God administered under a theocratic government (the Jews) was perfect. Back then things were more spiritual. If a woman committed adultery she was to stand before the priest, drink something, and if her belly swelled "guilty" if not "innocent." God's righteous hand was displayed for all His people to see. He was the Judge and jury.

Now, justice is administered by a bunch of God-hating secular humanists. I don't want my life or anyone else's in their hands, that's for sure.
 
Hitch said:
Sorry to go off topic but AGREED Courts Martial are a travesty and I'd like to see qualified men demand they be done away with or refuse to sign up.
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that particular method of justice was first put in place in the 50s under truman. ucmj replace the four types of justice that each service had. and that ucmj is fully constitutional. what you all dont know is that the enemy has more rights then i do if the left had their way.:grumpy double jeopardy is also in some sense allowed.
 
theLords said:
The Law of God administered under a theocratic government (the Jews) was perfect. Back then things were more spiritual. If a woman committed adultery she was to stand before the priest, drink something, and if her belly swelled "guilty" if not "innocent." God's righteous hand was displayed for all His people to see. He was the Judge and jury.

Now, justice is administered by a bunch of God-hating secular humanists. I don't want my life or anyone else's in their hands, that's for sure.
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many innocement men were killed befor this country went to the secular humanists.remember forensics wasnt around prior to the 80s as we know it and dna testing is less then 15 yrs old.
 
jasoncran said:
many innocement men were killed befor this country went to the secular humanists.remember forensics wasnt around prior to the 80s as we know it and dna testing is less then 15 yrs old.
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Yes, exactly! I just watched Convicted a little while ago and I was appalled by the injustice committed against him.
 
I think that its one thing to have the death penalty when you're God's chosen people (the Jews) and your society is supposed to bear witness to God's justice and power. You can't have murderers running around among a group of people, God's people, struggling to lead holy lives surrounded by idolatrous pagans. In such a situation, if there' no doubt that the individual committed a heinous crime, I think it makes sense to execute them, and it probably served as a deterrent for those who might have been tempted to break the laws.

The thing is, in modern US society, we're not God's chosen people. Our laws aren't designed to maintain individual and social virtue; they're designed to maximize freedom and personal liberty. I think in our current society, taking someone who commits terrible crimes out of circulation is sufficient punishment. The goal, I think, should be less on scaring people out of committing murder or making some sort of a statement, and more about using tax payers resources judiciously to keep society running smoothly.
 
Christ_empowered said:
I think that its one thing to have the death penalty when you're God's chosen people (the Jews) and your society is supposed to bear witness to God's justice and power. You can't have murderers running around among a group of people, God's people, struggling to lead holy lives surrounded by idolatrous pagans. In such a situation, if there' no doubt that the individual committed a heinous crime, I think it makes sense to execute them, and it probably served as a deterrent for those who might have been tempted to break the laws.

The thing is, in modern US society, we're not God's chosen people. Our laws aren't designed to maintain individual and social virtue; they're designed to maximize freedom and personal liberty. I think in our current society, taking someone who commits terrible crimes out of circulation is sufficient punishment. The goal, I think, should be less on scaring people out of committing murder or making some sort of a statement, and more about using tax payers resources judiciously to keep society running smoothly.
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the jews fouled up alot, read on why the jews were driven from the land, i think of them was injustices commited, not avenging the widow was one.
 
theLords said:
The Law of God administered under a theocratic government (the Jews) was perfect. Back then things were more spiritual. If a woman committed adultery she was to stand before the priest, drink something, and if her belly swelled "guilty" if not "innocent." God's righteous hand was displayed for all His people to see. He was the Judge and jury.

Now, justice is administered by a bunch of God-hating secular humanists. I don't want my life or anyone else's in their hands, that's for sure.
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Perfect? You mean like the Pharisees of Jesus' day?

Perhaps you will list the perfect jews of the good old days?
 
I'm for the death penalty as it was in the Bible...but not for America of today.

There have just been way to many people put on death row, only to find out later that they were innocent.

At least if someone is locked up...and there is proof later that they are innocent...then they can be set free.

Hard to do that when they are dead.

However, when there is a case, as in the case of Joseph Duncan, where it is clear to all that he did such a terrible crime...no doubt whatsoever (and in this case since he was evil enough to videotape himself torturing and killing a 9 year old boy and raping an 8 year old girl, so there is no doubt) then I don't have a problem putting him to death. I hope he repents before being put to death...but even if he does, he deserves death and there is no biblical reason not to put him down.
 
I am all for it in the case of it being a punishment for murder as the punnishment would fit the crime. I also believe that castration should be the penalty paid by rapists and child molesters. That would guarantee no repeat offenders.
 
Hitch said:
Perfect? You mean like the Pharisees of Jesus' day?

Perhaps you will list the perfect jews of the good old days?
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What? I said that God was perfect. The Jews didn't administer the justice, God did.

Numbers 5:27 (New International Version (©1984)
If she has defiled herself and been unfaithful to her husband, then when she is made to drink the water that brings a curse, it will go into her and cause bitter suffering; her abdomen will swell and her thigh waste away, and she will become accursed among her people.

How does any mortal man have the power to do anything like what is noted above?

Anyways, I'm going to end this conversation between us here. I'm trying to make up my mind, and I'm looking for sincere dialogue--not insults and sarcasm.
 
jasoncran said:
we you all by now know john walsh. well where he lives now is the place where adam's head was found in a river. i have meet him personally(john) and he is a nice guy. the cops botched his case up and read this.

Ottis Toole: Adam Walsh's Killer
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This is one of the reasons that makes me Pro-Death penalty. But then, isn't life in prison enough?

I don't know I'm pretty torn over this issue. I don't think I'll be able to resolve it as quickly as I need to. Maybe I should pick another topic :lol
 
handy said:
I'm for the death penalty as it was in the Bible...but not for America of today.

There have just been way to many people put on death row, only to find out later that they were innocent.

At least if someone is locked up...and there is proof later that they are innocent...then they can be set free.

Hard to do that when they are dead.

However, when there is a case, as in the case of Joseph Duncan, where it is clear to all that he did such a terrible crime...no doubt whatsoever (and in this case since he was evil enough to videotape himself torturing and killing a 9 year old boy and raping an 8 year old girl, so there is no doubt) then I don't have a problem putting him to death. I hope he repents before being put to death...but even if he does, he deserves death and there is no biblical reason not to put him down.
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Thanks for making your way into this thread. I'm currently stuck in this same predicament. It's hard to ignore the death penalty for such sick and violent offenders.
 
theLords said:
This is one of the reasons that makes me Pro-Death penalty. But then, isn't life in prison enough?

I don't know I'm pretty torn over this issue. I don't think I'll be able to resolve it as quickly as I need to. Maybe I should pick another topic :lol
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I dont think Moshe allowed anything in the way of 'prison'. There was restitution/corporal punishment, but Im not certain.
 
(I have not read prior posts,unconcerned if this idea is given,but this is my opinion)
Death penalty is just too grave and severe for a punishment.Besides,what's the reason for punishing or incarcerating a person but because of his bad actions and to stop him from continuing such. By only incarcerating him, you have already made enough,basing from that reasons. And besides, when a person is in jail, he can change,he can repent, and he can return to God. He could do good things after all. Death penalty ,I think,is just a fruit of anger or vengeance and even the unconcerned,uncompassionate minds and hearts of people.
And to magnify this idea,I think, we should remember the incident when Jesus met a woman caught in adultery, of how he spoke, how he act or how he forgives that woman. That is found on John 8:1-11. That incident, nullifies the custom of stoning a person which now,in this time, we consider as death penalty.
 
zadaqom said:
(I have not read prior posts,unconcerned if this idea is given,but this is my opinion)
Death penalty is just too grave and severe for a punishment.Besides,what's the reason for punishing or incarcerating a person but because of his bad actions and to stop him from continuing such. By only incarcerating him, you have already made enough,basing from that reasons. And besides, when a person is in jail, he can change,he can repent, and he can return to God. He could do good things after all. Death penalty ,I think,is just a fruit of anger or vengeance and even the unconcerned,uncompassionate minds and hearts of people.
And to magnify this idea,I think, we should remember the incident when Jesus met a woman caught in adultery, of how he spoke, how he act or how he forgives that woman. That is found on John 8:1-11. That incident, nullifies the custom of stoning a person which now,in this time, we consider as death penalty.
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Thank you for your input! You really spoke to me and I appreciate that!
 
theLords said:
This is one of the reasons that makes me Pro-Death penalty. But then, isn't life in prison enough?

I don't know I'm pretty torn over this issue. I don't think I'll be able to resolve it as quickly as I need to. Maybe I should pick another topic :lol
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here in america , adressing the filipino new person.our wonderful prison system doesnt reform the criminal at all. the churches or private groups do attempt. theres not many work camps or what not that do allow trustees to work outside of the prison.

google pride, avon park, fl and see what comes up. that is a tire retread facility and its works.
 
I responded that I'm not sure, but I lean toward NO. Most issues are more or less black and white in my faith, but this is one I can't reconcile.

To anyone who is convinced that God speaks definitively to this for us, I would say there is scripture to support both sides. It has been used countless times over that past decades, and still honest Christians differ.

Can anyone cite a New Testament example of when believers executed someone? I'm not talking about a supernatural execution by two people who withheld their profits. That was the work of the Lord.

I'm not saying I don't understand or that I dismiss the argument for it, but I'll say this: When I stand before my Lord, I would rather stand guilty of wrongfully not endorsing the death of His Created than stand guilty of wrongfully supporting it. Call that a cop-out if you will, but you can't undo death. When the desicion's been carried out, there's no turning back. God knows I could never be the one to order it or push the button.

There has got to be a right answer for each and every case, but I feel one wrong answer is far worse than the other. I don't condemn a Christian who supports it. This is my personal quandary. There are times that I must admit, I'm all for it... but then I lean back over to the side of God's Providence - His Decision, His Time, His Purpose, His Righteousness.
 
Wow I am surprised at the number of yes votes. I am against the death penalty I believe that is up to the God Lord, I see no reason for it. Justice is for God to handle. Life in prison is reasonable. DA's in this country are zelots that convince family members they must go through the horror and anguish of a jury trial that could last years and if you read about the results of these cases you find that the family members of the victims never get closure or the justice they thought they would feel.

Often times they forgot about the Heavenly father and the precious act of forgiveness through his strength and guidance therefore they never receive the peace they need. Also there are far too many innocent people getting the death penalty.

In this day and age I see no reason for it.
 
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