At what point are sins removed?

[Dorothy Mae]

There is no scripture with this one so I have to conclude that you heard this somewhere, thought it seemed reasonable, so you believe it. Let’s see if the Bible ever really says this?

This does not say our sins are removed “immediately” when we accept Jesus as Lord, turn and repent. It does say that water is involved before a person can enter into the kingdom. This harmonizes with everything else the NT has to say about salvation.

This does not say our sins are removed “immediately” when we accept Jesus as Lord, turn and repent. This passage does say exactly at what point in time our sins are removed. Through baptism in water “for the remission of sins”. (we know it’s water through acts 10) This completely harmonizes with your Jn 3 passage. Water is involved in a mans salvation. If you don’t think it’s water then prove it. The same man Peter commanded water baptism in the name of the Lord in acts 10 so there is no way this man contradicted himself here in acts 2. I would hate to think that’s the message I was basing my salvation on. (Some message like....Peter preached spirit baptism in acts 2 then water in acts 10). That would be nonsense.

This passage is just like Jn 3:16. If we believe, we will have eternal life. But this passage doesn’t say anything about “ believe only” and your sins are then removed. Again, Peter commands these people to be baptized in water. Why? Because it was Peter that told us that water baptism is the point at which sins are removed.

This does not say our sins are removed “immediately” when we accept Jesus as Lord, turn and repent. It doesn’t even say anything about repenting. It does mention a “washing of regeneration”. Hmmm? What do you think that could be referring to? If remission of sins happens at the point of water baptism then why would that NOT be the “washing of regeneration” since regeneration is just another way of saying......you have a new life. You are born again and we know that process involves water. See how all of these passages harmonize when you allow the truth to speak and don’t spin it the way you want it.

This was written to Christians like all the other epistles. If a Christian, and he uses the word “we” to include himself, sins then they are to repent, confess and pray. This is not the pattern for someone to become a Christian, to obey the gospel and become a child of God. If it was Peter would have told his audience in acts 2 this very thing. But he didn’t. Paul explains to Christians in Galatians just how they became a child of God.
Gal 3:26-29. And it includes baptism in water. Don’t you love how all of these passages harmonize when you let the truth speak.

The “formula” you were given in answer to your question was devised so that we can assure ourselves a d others that automatically sins are forgiven if we do a, b, and c. God is required to do as the formula indicates. THere is faith in the formula.

The truth is sins are forgiven when God grants forgiveness. It is unmistakable when a man experiences this, but it doesn’t result from taking certain prescribed steps. It used to be men sought and prayed and mourned for this forgiveness. Now there’s a quick formula.

 

[gordon777]

Another dodge with a serious of red herrings.

Let me try to just get you to answer this...

If I went to your church and asked for a dry baptism with just the Spirit and no water - as you and others are arguing - would your pastor simply say over me, "I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" and I would therefore be considered baptized?

John 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

 

[gordon777]

1 John 5:7-8
The word is Jesus. This is separate from “water” the next verse literally means “water”. Also the “water” in Jn 4 was NOT Jesus but it was something Jesus would give.


The Spirit is actually the “living water” given in Jn 7. So if we read Jn 3:5 this way then it sounds like this...unless one is born of the spirit and the spirit then they can’t enter the kingdom.
That’s great exegesis.

It is very simple, the bread that Jesus gives and the drink He gives, is His body and blood( with water)


To be born of water is to be born of Christ (His living water that flowed from Him) and that is born of the Spirit( as the water is the Spirit , the living that flowed out of Him after He was glorified.


Look at what is told, for they who believe out of the belly of Christ comes water ( born of water) but this is speaking of the Spirit( born of Spirit) which they who believe in Christ received ( the Holy Ghost baptism) after that Jesus was glorified.

What is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is Spirit (Water out of the belly of Christ is the living Spirit) and everything else is flesh.





John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)




John 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

 

[gordon777]

The Spirit is given when the heart is purified through faith.

peter rehearsed the matter for you, which we just heard how the Gentiles received the Spirit through hearing the word of the Gospel from Peter and BELIEVED.

God knows the hearts and it is God that bare witness right there, when He gave them the Holy Ghost He purified their hearts by faith.

Water came next, but their hearts were not purified in faith by being baptized with water next, that was already done and it is already confirmed y God being witness. ( all was purified already, the heart was purified by faith.)





Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

 

[Cnkw3]

The “formula” you were given in answer to your question was devised so that we can assure ourselves a d others that automatically sins are forgiven if we do a, b, and c. God is required to do as the formula indicates. THere is faith in the formula.

The truth is sins are forgiven when God grants forgiveness. It is unmistakable when a man experiences this, but it doesn’t result from taking certain prescribed steps. It used to be men sought and prayed and mourned for this forgiveness. Now there’s a quick formula.

Why do you mock the idea of a “formula”? It was God, not me, that created a plan that put belief, repentance, and baptism before forgiveness of sins. Mk 16:16, acts 2:38, acts 22:16.
If you can show me where he ever puts forgiveness of sins before any of that then please do.
Also remember we are told through God himself that he cannot lie.
Maybe you want to go to post #20 and straighten everybody out and tell us which examples are water and which ones are not and why. Nobody wants to give me a straight answer on that one.

 

[Cnkw3]

I have already explained all of this to you and Mungo as I gave the both of you all those scriptures to go study, which neither one of you have done.

When you go down my list and explain why each example is not water then I may get to your passages. I know the passages you post and I know NONE of them mention anything about “living water”. Why do I need to study any further?

There is nothing wrong with full immersion in water as it, like John's baptism was an outward appearance to others that you repented of your sins, but it wasn't for receiving Jesus or the Holy Spirit as neither one of them had come yet until Jesus came to John to be baptized in which I already gave you why Jesus had to do that.

I've given all I can to this, but I can not make you understand it if you are not willing to study for yourselves.

All of my examples are way past John the Baptist and Jesus baptism. New covenant baptism is specifically for the purpose of “putting on Christ”. Gal 3:26-29
but you say it has nothing to do with “receiving Jesus”. Can you “receive Jesus” without “putting on Jesus”?
We really need to know which examples are Spirit baptism and why so we can start teaching truth.

 

[Cnkw3]

It is very simple, the bread that Jesus gives and the drink He gives, is His body and blood( with water)


To be born of water is to be born of Christ (His living water that flowed from Him) and that is born of the Spirit( as the water is the Spirit , the living that flowed out of Him after He was glorified.


Look at what is told, for they who believe out of the belly of Christ comes water ( born of water) but this is speaking of the Spirit( born of Spirit) which they who believe in Christ received ( the Holy Ghost baptism) after that Jesus was glorified.

What is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is Spirit (Water out of the belly of Christ is the living Spirit) and everything else is flesh.





John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)




John 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Born of spirt and the spirt? Great!

 

[for_his_glory]

If you change your mind and decide to answer my two simple questions, please reach out to me. I am genuinely curious how your idea of baptism - sans water - is performed and how one would even know they received it.

Will no longer be a part of this foolishness. I answered your question in post 25 and 27. I'm done with this.
You have a good day.

 

[for_his_glory]

When you go down my list and explain why each example is not water then I may get to your passages. I know the passages you post and I know NONE of them mention anything about “living water”. Why do I need to study any further?

All of my examples are way past John the Baptist and Jesus baptism. New covenant baptism is specifically for the purpose of “putting on Christ”. Gal 3:26-29
but you say it has nothing to do with “receiving Jesus”. Can you “receive Jesus” without “putting on Jesus”?
We really need to know which examples are Spirit baptism and why so we can start teaching truth.

Post # 25 and 27. You have a good day. I'm done

 

[Hopeful]

Men's sins are removed after repenting of sin and being water baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.
As it is written..."Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.' (Acts 2:38)

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Why do you mock the idea of a “formula”? It was God, not me, that created a plan that put belief, repentance, and baptism before forgiveness of sins. Mk 16:16, acts 2:38, acts 22:16.
If you can show me where he ever puts forgiveness of sins before any of that then please do.
Also remember we are told through God himself that he cannot lie.
Maybe you want to go to post #20 and straighten everybody out and tell us which examples are water and which ones are not and why. Nobody wants to give me a straight answer on that one.

I didn’t intend to mock but the just of the whatever you want to call it plan leave out the not small and extremely vital element of God acting and actually forgiving. God, by the way, did not invent this plan. Men did to make life easier.

Jesus forgave sins for particular people BEFORE baptism for sure and there’s no external evidence that repentance was done on occasion. Belief we cannot see, although He can.

I called it a “formula” because that’s what fits the procedure. You do this, then this, and then this and you will be forgiven. That’s a formula. The desired result is assumed to have been achieved sans God.

 

[Cnkw3]

God, by the way, did not invent this plan. Men did to make life easier.

I’m assuming you read the same Bible I do. I’m gonna need an explanation on how you come up with this. You don’t believe the writings of the New Testament are inspired of God? Paul wrote that if anybody thinks themselves to be spiritual they will acknowledge that the things he wrote were the commandments of God. 1 cor 14:37
You think Paul just made up everything he wrote in Rom 6 about baptism? What about what he wrote in Rom 10:9-15. Looks like a definite formula there. What about what Paul wrote in Eph 5 about who Jesus will save. Did he make that up.

Jesus forgave sins for particular people BEFORE baptism for sure and there’s no external evidence that repentance was done on occasion. Belief we cannot see, although He can.

Yes and the Bible we are given tells us this....
(he saith to the sick of the palsy,) Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk? But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins,
Mk 2:9,10.
While he walked this earth he had the power to forgive sins. Is he on this earth now? No.
He now tells us what will judge us....his word. Jn 12:48

I called it a “formula” because that’s what fits the procedure. You do this, then this, and then this and you will be forgiven. That’s a formula. The desired result is assumed to have been achieved sans God.

How can it be without God when it was God that told man to do it. It is God that has placed hearing, believing, repenting and baptism before remission of sins. Man had nothing to do with it. They just recorded it for us.
When God came to Joshua and said...I have given you the city of Jericho; did they still have to follow the formula he laid out on how to receive this gift? What if they would have said.....do anything? Why do we have to do anything? Don’t you know all gifts come without conditions? Do you think the city would have been captured?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I’m assuming you read the same Bible I do. I’m gonna need an explanation on how you come up with this. You don’t believe the writings of the New Testament are inspired of God? Paul wrote that if anybody thinks themselves to be spiritual they will acknowledge that the things he wrote were the commandments of God. 1 cor 14:37
You think Paul just made up everything he wrote in Rom 6 about baptism? What about what he wrote in Rom 10:9-15. Looks like a definite formula there. What about what Paul wrote in Eph 5 about who Jesus will save. Did he make that up.

Yes and the Bible we are given tells us this....
(he saith to the sick of the palsy,) Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk? But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins,
Mk 2:9,10.
While he walked this earth he had the power to forgive sins. Is he on this earth now? No.
He now tells us what will judge us....his word. Jn 12:48

How can it be without God when it was God that told man to do it. It is God that has placed hearing, believing, repenting and baptism before remission of sins. Man had nothing to do with it. They just recorded it for us.
When God came to Joshua and said...I have given you the city of Jericho; did they still have to follow the formula he laid out on how to receive this gift? What if they would have said.....do anything? Why do we have to do anything? Don’t you know all gifts come without conditions? Do you think the city would have been captured?

Perhaps we’re taking about two different things.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I’m assuming you read the same Bible I do. I’m gonna need an explanation on how you come up with this.

You’ll need to be specific.

You don’t believe the writings of the New Testament are inspired of God?

Incorrect

Paul wrote that if anybody thinks themselves to be spiritual they will acknowledge that the things he wrote were the commandments of God. 1 cor 14:37

Ok

You think Paul just made up everything he wrote in Rom 6 about baptism?

Where do you get that idea? I was addressing the following formula:

“Our sins are immediatly forgiven when we first turn to the Lord and repent after we accept Jesus as Lord and Savior”

You will not find that Paul wrote this.

What about what he wrote in Rom 10:9-15. Looks like a definite formula there.

Not a single person, including Paul, preached “just say the rights words and you’ll be saved.”

What about what Paul wrote in Eph 5 about who Jesus will save. Did he make that up.

Can you be specific please?

Yes and the Bible we are given tells us this....
(he saith to the sick of the palsy,) Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk? But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins,
Mk 2:9,10.
While he walked this earth he had the power to forgive sins. Is he on this earth now? No.
He now tells us what will judge us....his word. Jn 12:48

OK but few really believe this truth.

How can it be without God when it was God that told man to do it.

To do what?

It is God that has placed hearing, believing, repenting and baptism before remission of sins. Man had nothing to do with it. They just recorded it for us.

You can tell yourself you’ve done all three and not be forgiven of sins. It’s not a list of to do’s and automatically you got what you want.

When God came to Joshua and said...I have given you the city of Jericho; did they still have to follow the formula he laid out on how to receive this gift?

I don’t think anyone who fought a war thinks victory is a formula nor a gift.

What if they would have said.....do anything? Why do we have to do anything? Don’t you know all gifts come without conditions?

Joshua had to fight. And salvation has conditions as do almost all of Gods promises.

Do you think the city would have been captured?

If they thought it was a gift with no conditions? Never.

 

[Cnkw3]

You’ll need to be specific.

You said this.....
“The truth is sins are forgiven when God grants forgiveness. It is unmistakable when a man experiences this,(I don’t agree with this statement) but it doesn’t result from taking certain prescribed steps. It used to be men sought and prayed and mourned for this forgiveness. Now there’s a quick formula.”
The bold was my comment.
This coupled with what you had said in the first paragraph led me to believe you DO NOT believe in a formula when it comes to a persons salvation. If I misunderstood then I’m sorry.

Where do you get that idea? I was addressing the following formula:

“Our sins are immediatly forgiven when we first turn to the Lord and repent after we accept Jesus as Lord and Savior”

You will not find that Paul wrote this.

Well,if we can’t find where anybody wrote this down for us then it was made up by man and therefore false doctrine.
And, you are correct...nowhere in the Bible does it say “sins are immediately forgiven” when we do whatever this formula above says.

Not a single person, including Paul, preached “just say the rights words and you’ll be saved.”

I agree

Can you be specific please?

Eph 5:23. We are told that Jesus is the savior of the body.
In the same book we are told that the body is the church. In the same book we are told that there is only ONE body/church.
After the very first gospel sermon in acts 2 we are told that the Lord added the saved to the church. Acts 2:47
So one MUST be in the church in order to be saved. Who did Jesus shed his blood for? The church.
There is no scripture that says anyone was ever added to the church by the lord after they “turned to the lord, repented, and then accepted Jesus without any water baptism.

OK but few really believe this truth.

That is sad

To do what?

Achieve the desired result of the formula.

You can tell yourself you’ve done all three and not be forgiven of sins. It’s not a list of to do’s and automatically you got what you want.

No. That is right. Just going through the motions saves no one.

I don’t think anyone who fought a war thinks victory is a formula nor a gift.

God said it was a gift. I doubt Joshua would agree with you.

Joshua had to fight. And salvation has conditions as do almost all of Gods promises.

Yes he did. He first had to follow the formula that God gave him before the walls would come down.

If they thought it was a gift with no conditions? Never.

I agree and thank you for your post.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

You said this.....
“The truth is sins are forgiven when God grants forgiveness. It is unmistakable when a man experiences this,(I don’t agree with this statement) but it doesn’t result from taking certain prescribed steps. It used to be men sought and prayed and mourned for this forgiveness. Now there’s a quick formula.”
The bold was my comment.
This coupled with what you had said in the first paragraph led me to believe you DO NOT believe in a formula when it comes to a persons salvation. If I misunderstood then I’m sorry.

You understood me correctly. Let me ask you, does God NEED to forgive a man or does His RESPONSE play no role at all? I believe God forgives a man and not it is the end result of taking particular steps. Do you disagree?

Well,if we can’t find where anybody wrote this down for us then it was made up by man and therefore false doctrine.
And, you are correct...nowhere in the Bible does it say “sins are immediately forgiven” when we do whatever this formula above says.

I agree

Eph 5:23. We are told that Jesus is the savior of the body.
In the same book we are told that the body is the church. In the same book we are told that there is only ONE body/church.
After the very first gospel sermon in acts 2 we are told that the Lord added the saved to the church. Acts 2:47
So one MUST be in the church in order to be saved.

I think you’ve got that backwards. When one is saved (forgiven) one is THEN in the church. Being in the church is not a requirement for salvation but a result.

Who did Jesus shed his blood for?

To as many as received him did he give the power to become the sons of God.

The church.
There is no scripture that says anyone was ever added to the church by the lord after they “turned to the lord, repented, and then accepted Jesus without any water baptism.

But that’s the sequence in Acts 2. First they repented and experienced forgiveness. Afterwards they became a part of his church. That’s the order of events in the verse you chose.

That is sad

Achieve the desired result of the formula.

No. That is right. Just going through the motions saves no one.

God said it was a gift. I doubt Joshua would agree with you.

I am absolutely sure the men who fought and died and were wounded but saw victory did not think it was a gift. I work hard and get paid for my labor. No one thinks my salary is a gift. No one who fights a bloody battle thinks victory is an unearned gift.

Yes he did. He first had to follow the formula that God gave him before the walls would come down.

Did this become a wartime strategy for reducing walls of a city?

I agree and thank you for your post.

Thank you for the exchange.

The element you are missing is relationship. Joshua OBEYED instructions given to him by God. Jesus gave different instructions to different people regarding what they needed to do. That’s relationship not a formula.

 

[Cnkw3]

You understood me correctly. Let me ask you, does God NEED to forgive a man or does His RESPONSE play no role at all? I believe God forgives a man and not it is the end result of taking particular steps. Do you disagree?

God has made a promise that sins will be forgiven AFTER you obey. Heb 5:9. And not BEFORE you obey.
And at what point in time in a believers obedience does GOD SAY his sins are forgiven?
Mk 16. After baptism
Acts 2:38 after baptism
Acts 22:16 after baptism.
Rom 6. New life? After coming out of the waters of baptism.
1 pet 3. After baptism.
When does the Lord add to his church? After baptism.
These are very specific. These people had to first believe then repent then obey the lord in baptism. God nowhere, under the new covenant, says he forgives sins before this is done.
So, no I do not believe God forgives man until he has taken these commanded steps.

I think you’ve got that backwards. When one is saved (forgiven) one is THEN in the church. Being in the church is not a requirement for salvation but a result.

Don’t disagree. The passage says the lord adds the saved to the church. The saved were those that followed his prescribed commands in order to have their sins forgiven. If you don’t do this, you may feel saved, you may even say....I’m a part of the lords body/church but that doesn’t mean you are. God determines who is in and who is out. How does he do it? Through his word Jn 12:48. Through the steps of the gospel he has given us. .
Hear believe repent confess and be baptized. Why is it that every detailed account of conversion in acts always ends with baptism. Every single one! Do you think that’s a coincidence?

To as many as received him did he give the power to become the sons of God.

Those that believe do have the power to become sons of God. It doesn’t say that those that believe already are sons of God. One must first believe before they can then obey to become a son of God. Gal 3:26-29
The Bible is specific though about who Jesus shed his blood for...
Ac 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
He purchased “the church” and nobody else with his own blood. I don’t think many people even know that verse is in the Bible. This is why Paul could say.....Eph 5:23 “he is the savior of the body”! And nobody else. If your not in the body/church you aren’t with the saved.
This goes back to.....how does one get “into Christ”? Rom 6:2-5. Gal 3:26,27

But that’s the sequence in Acts 2. First they repented and experienced forgiveness. Afterwards they became a part of his church. That’s the order of events in the verse you chose.

At what point does acts 2 say that sins are forgiven? Before or after baptism.

I am absolutely sure the men who fought and died and were wounded but saw victory did not think it was a gift. I work hard and get paid for my labor. No one thinks my salary is a gift. No one who fights a bloody battle thinks victory is an unearned gift.

I bet you don’t march around your building 7 times, blow a horn, and your job is finished. I don’t think Israel suffered much of a loss in that battle.

Did this become a wartime strategy for reducing walls of a city?

It was for Joshua.

The element you are missing is relationship. Joshua OBEYED instructions given to him by God. Jesus gave different instructions to different people regarding what they needed to do. That’s relationship not a formula.

Jesus has now, under the new covenant, only given ONE way to have your sins forgiven. And your sins won’t be forgiven unless you do it his way and not Billy Graham’s, David Jeremiah, etc.
relationship? This was written to Christians....
1 Jn 1:6,7 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

1 Jn 2:3,4 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

 

[The Gallant Saint]

Everyone talks about being “saved” but all that is, is the point at which a persons sins are removed. We are told this....
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
This means man needs these sins remitted or removed in order to be ”saved”. The Bible, under the new covenant, is very clear through numerous passages at exactly what point in time a person has their sins removed and cleansed.
I am just curious at how many on here are willing to give me book, chapter,and verse that tells us EXACTLY at what point in time a person has their sins….remitted, washed away, freed from.
The Bible is very clear on this subject. It takes no higher learning or interpretation in order to come to the truth on this subject.

Hello neighbor. Ezekiel Ch 18. We first must correct ourselves and repent of sin, and live righteously. This condition does not change. If we do this, our iniquities will not be remembered to us, meaning YHWH will not hold our past sins against us. This is YHWH's mercy.

We must also make atonement. We first repent but there is still the need to make atonement (aka kippur or covering). YHWH said that blood is what will atone for our souls (Lev 17:11). The difference between the old and new Covenants is the blood. The blood of sacrifices in the old Covenant (Ex 30:10, Eze 45:19), and the blood of the New Covenant (Matt 26:28). Our sins are covered (atoned for) by Jesus' blood.

Blessings in Yeshua.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Hello neighbor. Ezekiel Ch 18. We first must correct ourselves and repent of sin, and live righteously. This condition does not change. If we do this, our iniquities will not be remembered to us, meaning YHWH will not hold our past sins against us. This is YHWH's mercy.

We must also make atonement. We first repent but there is still the need to make atonement (aka kippur or covering). YHWH said that blood is what will atone for our souls (Lev 17:11). The difference between the old and new Covenants is the blood. The blood of sacrifices in the old Covenant (Ex 30:10, Eze 45:19), and the blood of the New Covenant (Matt 26:28). Our sins are covered (atoned for) by Jesus' blood.

Blessings in Yeshua.

Greetings

This is off topic but since you use the Tetragram when referring to the Almighty and that word cannot be correctly spoken, it’s pronunciation lost, how do you audibly address Him in prayer? It’s a practical question. I know of the man-made word proudly used by some thinking they got a handle on his first (“personal”) name forgetting entirely what word Jesus taught us to use, but I suspect you honor Him too much to ignore the teachings of Yeshua.

 

[The Gallant Saint]

Greetings

This is off topic but since you use the Tetragram when referring to the Almighty and that word cannot be correctly spoken, it’s pronunciation lost, how do you audibly address Him in prayer? It’s a practical question. I know of the man-made word proudly used by some thinking they got a handle on his first (“personal”) name forgetting entirely what word Jesus taught us to use, but I suspect you honor Him too much to ignore the teachings of Yeshua.

Hello there,

I write YHWH, but I say "Father" or sometimes "Yahweh". Yes, unfortunately some people use a claimed knowledge of how to truly pronounce the Name as a pedestal to lift themselves above others. BTW, Jeff A Benner has interesting videos on how to pronounce the Name.