Bible Study Back to Basics

[for_his_glory]

Literally, in the Greek, "confess" is homologeo, the root words (homou - the same + logos - word/say, or saying) forming homologeo meaning "give assent" (homou) and/or "acknowledgement." As I've explained now a few times, such assent, such agreement, can only be the result of repentance, not a precursor to repentance.

So, are you going to present this to someone who has little or no knowledge yet. Do you think that a child could understand what you have presented here, no. Basic salvation needs to be explained that even a child could understand in order to make that commitment to Christ.

Basic - the essential facts or principles of a subject

 

[Tenchi]

So, are you going to present this to someone who has little or no knowledge yet. Do you think that a child could understand what you have presented here, no. Basic salvation needs to be explained that even a child could understand in order to make that commitment to Christ.

Basic - the essential facts or principles of a subject

Where is it written that the Gospel has to be presented to all such that a child could understand it? I speak to children according to their ability and to adults according to their ability.

It's a popular idea that the "simple" Gospel is the right and best Gospel, but this is nowhere stated in Scripture. And when an adult remains in an understanding of the Gospel that s/he received as a child, s/he is going to have a very poor grasp of their faith and how to walk well with God.

There is a very BIG difference between what is simple and what is simplistic.

 

[Tenchi]

You avoided the most important part of repentance...in the case of new believers...from sin.
Men can't acknowledge they are sinners without an intent to "turn" from that sin.
Repentance is 'from sin'.

No, you haven't understood - or maybe just haven't read - what I've posted to this thread.

At its core, repentance is a change of mind, not a change of mind about something in particular, like sin. I can repent of my decision to hike up a mountain when, halfway up, I'm totally exhausted. I can repent of going to the grocery store Saturday afternoon when I enter the store and see its jammed with people getting their groceries. I can repent of getting a pet dog when, for the umpteenth time, he pees on the living room carpet. And so on. Repentance, then, isn't just from sin but from the self-deceived thinking, the lies, that have made me believe I can sin. It also entails taking up God's Truth in place of those lies and living in that Truth every day. At bottom, though, all repentance is a change of mind.

 

[for_his_glory]

Where is it written that the Gospel has to be presented to all such that a child could understand it? I speak to children according to their ability and to adults according to their ability.

It's a popular idea that the "simple" Gospel is the right and best Gospel, but this is nowhere stated in Scripture. And when an adult remains in an understanding of the Gospel that s/he received as a child, s/he is going to have a very poor grasp of their faith and how to walk well with God.

There is a very BIG difference between what is simple and what is simplistic.

So, you are going to force meat down the throats of those that are only yet on milk causing them to choke!!!
Did anyone learn Algebra in first grade, or were they given the basics of math as in adding, subtracting, multiplying and division.

This thread is all about the simplicity of God's salvation message teaching a basic word of knowledge, but you are getting to theological that goes over the heads of those who are not mature in the word of God as of yet.

 

[Tenchi]

So, you are going to force meat down the throats of those that are only yet on milk causing them to choke!!!

??? No.

This thread is all about the simplicity of God's salvation message teaching a basic word of knowledge, but you are getting to theological that goes over the heads of those who are not mature in the word of God as of yet.

??? The clarifications I've offered are by no means deep theological waters. Not even close. Instead, what I've written is actually very basic Christian truth, nothing more.

Also, on what grounds do you get to establish for everyone else what is "basic" to the Gospel and what sort of explanation of it is "simple enough"?

I appreciate that you don't want to overcomplicate the Gospel, putting up unnecessary explanatory barriers to evangelism and to the teaching of the spiritually immature, but as I said, being simple is not the same as being simplistic - an important distinction many Christians fail to make in deciding what is basic to the faith.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Not doing this with you and you know why. I'm trying to show how we need to get back to the basics of God's salvation to those who are seeking Christ, but yet have not made that commitment yet. like I posted in post # 8 which explains five requirements of salvation. It has nothing to do with skin and bones, nor did I even imply that in this thread.

Why post such an untruth ? ("Our flesh will always sin...")
By saying skin and bones can be held responsible for sin, you doom anyone who has skin and bones.
It is the mind that controls actions.

Peter gave us the basics in Acts 2:38.
Turn from sin.
Get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins.
Do those, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38)
Jesus supplied the rest...endure faithfully until the end. (Matt 24:13)

 

[Hopeful 2]

No, you haven't understood - or maybe just haven't read - what I've posted to this thread.

At its core, repentance is a change of mind, not a change of mind about something in particular, like sin.

I disagree, as the repentance of a man wanting to walk as Christ walked is "from sin".

Repentance, then, isn't just from sin but from the self-deceived thinking, the lies, that have made me believe I can sin.

I am glad you do see that.

It also entails taking up God's Truth in place of those lies and living in that Truth every day. At bottom, though, all repentance is a change of mind.

The "turn from" in this case, sin, must come first, or steps 2, 3, 4, etc. will never occur.
Basics, as per the OP.

 

[for_his_glory]

Why post such an untruth ? ("Our flesh will always sin...")
By saying skin and bones can be held responsible for sin, you doom anyone who has skin and bones.
It is the mind that controls actions.

This thread is not about sinless perfection so please refrain from trying to teach this heresy and twisting my words.

Turn from sin.
Get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins.
Do those, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38)
Jesus supplied the rest...endure faithfully until the end. (Matt 24:13)

I already gave this in my OP if you read the five requirements to God's Salvation.

 

[Tenchi]

I disagree, as the repentance of a man wanting to walk as Christ walked is "from sin".

Yes, a man who wants to "follow in the steps" of Christ will be repenting of many things as he is progressively sanctified by the Holy Spirit. But, as I pointed out, the same man can repent of many other things that are quite unspiritual. So, then, the core of repentance isn't "from sin" but is "a change of mind/thinking." This distinction is important when evaluating if repentance has actually occurred. Too often, Christians think that repentance is the confession of one's sins, the admitting to them (perhaps publicly), and the asking for forgiveness and the making of restitution, and, of course, Christians want to see lots of tears and chest-beating from the repentant fellow believer. But all of these things can happen without the Christian who has performed them actually having changed his mind about - repented of - his sin. He is merely feeling guilty and ashamed and perhaps afraid of God's punishment and wants to alleviate himself of these feelings. He has not seen at all the lies in his thinking that have brought him into sin, forsaking them for God's Truth, and so, he will return to his sin very quickly. But how glad the Christians around this actually unrepentant man are when he cries a bit and confesses his sin to them! He's changed, right? Not at all.

 

[for_his_glory]

??? No.



??? The clarifications I've offered are by no means deep theological waters. Not even close. Instead, what I've written is actually very basic Christian truth, nothing more.

Also, on what grounds do you get to establish for everyone else what is "basic" to the Gospel and what sort of explanation of it is "simple enough"?

I appreciate that you don't want to overcomplicate the Gospel, putting up unnecessary explanatory barriers to evangelism and to the teaching of the spiritually immature, but as I said, being simple is not the same as being simplistic - an important distinction many Christians fail to make in deciding what is basic to the faith.

When you start with Greek words and definitions this goes over the heads of those who have very little knowledge. What I gave in the OP is the basics we need to be teaching those who are seeking God's salvation as simple and clear as we can give.

 

[Hopeful 2]

This thread is not about sinless perfection so please refrain from trying to teach this heresy and twisting my words.

Well, it is not a heresy, and is in fact the result of your five points.

I already gave this in my OP if you read the five requirements to God's Salvation.

Doesn't it seem weird to you that even though we are commanded to turn from sin, (repent), sin still exists in your reborn of God's seed vessel ?
Doesn't that make repentance from sin pointless ?

 

[Hopeful 2]

Yes, a man who wants to "follow in the steps" of Christ will be repenting of many things as he is progressively sanctified by the Holy Spirit.

Ugh...I hate the slow motion, false, gospel.

But, as I pointed out, the same man can repent of many other things that are quite unspiritual.

The second repentance from sin makes the first one a lie to God.
Hardly the way to foster a relationship with Him.

So, then, the core of repentance isn't "from sin" but is "a change of mind/thinking."

If one's "turn from" wasn't from sin, it is of the world; and as ineffective as man's alcoholic's anonymous.

This distinction is important when evaluating if repentance has actually occurred.

That distinction nullifies any turn from sin.
It just prolongs the time continuing to sinning.
"I'll quit smoking today, but I wont quit lusting after women until after Joe's party on Friday."
"I won't steal from work anymore, but I will keep lusting after xxxx until later."
Slow motion change.
At one's convenience change.

Too often, Christians think that repentance is the confession of one's sins, the admitting to them (perhaps publicly), and the asking for forgiveness and the making of restitution,

Then they don't that real repentance is from sin.

and, of course, Christians want to see lots of tears and chest-beating from the repentant fellow believer.

Your examples don't manifest Christ on earth.

But all of these things can happen without the Christian who has performed them actually having changed his mind about - repented of - his sin.

Yeah, it is all for show.

He is merely feeling guilty and ashamed and perhaps afraid of God's punishment and wants to alleviate himself of these feelings. He has not seen at all the lies in his thinking that have brought him into sin, forsaking them for God's Truth, and so, he will return to his sin very quickly. But how glad the Christians around this actually unrepentant man are when he cries a bit and confesses his sin to them! He's changed, right? Not at all.

You can really see the heart of the false repentances, but haven't you ever seen a real turn from sin ?

 

[for_his_glory]

Doesn't it seem weird to you that even though we are commanded to turn from sin, (repent), sin still exists in your reborn of God's seed vessel ?
Doesn't that make repentance from sin pointless ?

I never said sin still exist in our Spiritually reborn inner man as flesh is a hostile enemy against the Spirit.

Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

 

[Hopeful 2]

I never said sin still exist in our Spiritually reborn inner man as flesh is a hostile enemy against the Spirit.

Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

I don't believe in partial rebirth.
It is written that "all things are become new", in 2 Cor 5:17.
I am, however, glad that I am no longer "after the flesh", or "carnally minded".
Or "in the flesh".
"But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you." (Rom 8:9)
I now walk in the Spirit, thanks be to God !
So can you.

 

[for_his_glory]

Just a few scriptures to help teach others about God's Salvation.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

2Cor 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
2Cor 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
2Cor 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.


Col 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
Col 3:2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
Col 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
Col 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
Col 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
Col 3:6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
Col 3:7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
Col 3:8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
Col 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
Col 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
Col 3:12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
Col 3:13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
Col 3:14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.
Col 3:15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Just a few scriptures to help teach others about God's Salvation.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

2Cor 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
2Cor 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
2Cor 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.


Col 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
Col 3:2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
Col 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
Col 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
Col 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
Col 3:6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
Col 3:7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
Col 3:8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
Col 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
Col 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
Col 3:12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
Col 3:13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
Col 3:14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.
Col 3:15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.

Thanks for that.

 

[Tenchi]

Ugh...I hate the slow motion, false, gospel.

Yes, you want a quick fix, an easy, direct and passive route to transformation, it seems, one that requires nothing of you. But your way is the one that is the false gospel, as you've been shown from God's word many, many times on this site. And yet, here you are - again - flogging the dead horse of your error.

1 John 1:8
8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.

1 Corinthians 3:1-3
1 And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual men, but as to men of flesh, as to infants in Christ.
2 I gave you milk to drink, not solid food; for you were not yet able to receive it. Indeed, even now you are not yet able,
3 for you are still fleshly...

1 John 2:1
1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;

Revelation 3:1-3
1 "To the angel of the church in Sardis write: He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars, says this: 'I know your deeds, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead.
2 'Wake up, and strengthen the things that remain, which were about to die; for I have not found your deeds completed in the sight of My God.
3 'So remember what you have received and heard; and keep it, and repent...

Romans 6:1-3
1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?
2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?
3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?

Galatians 5:17
17 For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please.

And so on.

It is a testament to the depth and destructiveness of your error that in the face of all the indications to the contrary in the Bible, you persist in your error and are constantly luring others to join you in it. You cannot any longer see the Truth of God's word, just as 1 John 1:8 says will be the case with your particular false view. Very sad. And very evil, frankly.

The second repentance from sin makes the first one a lie to God.
Hardly the way to foster a relationship with Him.

Nonsense. This is a glaring false dichotomy. It isn't that one is either fully repented from all sin in their life for all time or has not repented at all, but that progressively they are being sanctified by the Holy Spirit, shown the secret corners of sin in their life by him so that, from this sin, repentance can be made. This is what is clearly communicated in the many statements in the NT concerning spiritual immaturity and maturity, spiritual growth, and in the descriptions of believers as "carnal infants," and those who must drink spiritual "milk" rather than eat "meat" and who are ignorant of their identity in Jesus Christ and living like it.

Ephesians 4:13-15
13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.
14 As a result, we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming;
15 but speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ,

What attainment to unity is necessary for those who are sinlessly perfect and for whom repentance is utterly complete? Why would Paul indicate to fellow believers ("we all attain") that such attainment was necessary? What maturing is required by one who is without sin? None at all. And yet, Paul urges the Christians at Ephesus toward such maturity, clearly implying that, though saved, they were not yet mature spiritually. And then, he makes himself unmistakably plain by writing, "we - Paul included - are to grow up in all aspects into Christ." Paul an apostle of Jesus Christ, the second greatest contributor to the New Testament, had to "grow up into Christ"? If this was so for Paul, it is certainly so for all other disciples of Jesus Christ.

That this isn't as obvious to you as the nose on your face reveals the terrible penalty you're paying for persisting in your false doctrine of sinless perfection. The longer you willfully continue in your error, the greater will be your blindness to God's Truth.

Continued below.

 

[Tenchi]

1 Corinthians 3:6-7
6 I planted, Apollos watered, but God was causing the growth.
7 So then neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but God who causes the growth.

Why would Paul say the Corinthian believers were being grown by God if they were already sinlessly perfect? What growth remains for those who are without sin? In context, Paul is clearly speaking, not merely of the Corinthian believer's knowledge of the doctrines of the faith, but of their attitudes and behavior, which he had just condemned as carnal and fleshly. Very obviously, Paul did not think his Christian brethren at Corinth were sinlessly perfect and thus not needing growth spiritually. Just the opposite, in fact.

Colossians 2:18-19
18 Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind,
19 and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.

Here, too, Paul urges the believers at Colosse to cease being "defrauded of their prize" by having a fleshly mind puffed up (inflated) by acts of self-debasement, and worship of angels, and false visions. He then urges an alternative which is that the believers at Colosse "hold fast to the head" who is Jesus Christ and "grow with a growth which is from God." Again, what growth is necessary for Christians who are totally without sin, which would necessarily exclude the sort of thing Paul said the Colossian Christians were guilty of? This is so obvious that it feels...strange to me to have to explain this to you. But so far from Truth have you strayed in holding your false doctrine of sinless perfection that what is so plain to everyone else is now well-obscured from your mind - just as the apostle John said would be the case.

1 John 1:8
8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.

Just to be clear: I'm not writing all this for your sake, Hopeful 2, but for others who, being new to the faith, or spiritually-immature and thus ignorant about Christian doctrine, may be confused by your false doctrine. You have been often rebuked for, and shown, your error, Hopeful 2, and have resisted, so I have no expectation of persuading you from your error, but I would certainly keep others from it, if I can.

Hebrews 10:14 (ESV)
14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

Hebrews 10:14 (AMP)
14 For by the one offering He has perfected forever and completely cleansed those who are being sanctified [bringing each believer to spiritual completion and maturity].

Hebrews 10:14 (CEB)
14 because he perfected the people who are being made holy with one offering for all time.

Hebrews 10:14 (EHV)
14 By only one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being sanctified.

Hebrews 10:14 (ISV)
14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

And so on. There is both a finished and perfect sanctification of the believer in and through Christ AND a progressive practical sanctification that they undergo throughout their lifetime. See above.

If one's "turn from" wasn't from sin, it is of the world; and as ineffective as man's alcoholic's anonymous.

Nonsense. When one first repents from a life of sinful independence and rebellion toward God and is converted, one has very little understanding of what sin really is and in what dark corners of one's life sin resides. God must, over time, expose our sin, and when He does, then we are able to repent of it. But the idea that a new convert can see the full scope of their sinfulness and understand the many subtle ways in which sin occupies their life and repent perfectly from it all is just, well, silly. And obviously unbiblical. See above.

That distinction nullifies any turn from sin.
It just prolongs the time continuing to sinning.
"I'll quit smoking today, but I wont quit lusting after women until after Joe's party on Friday."
"I won't steal from work anymore, but I will keep lusting after xxxx until later."
Slow motion change.
At one's convenience change.

Strawman. These cartoonish versions of the alternative to your false doctrine just keep YOU imprisoned in your error, they persuade no one else to join you in your error.

You can really see the heart of the false repentances, but haven't you ever seen a real turn from sin ?

Well, I am certain you never have, so badly blinded to the whole business of repentance have you shown yourself to be.

1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Yes, you want a quick fix, an easy, direct and passive route to transformation, it seems, one that requires nothing of you.

Eau contraire...
By 'Fix' you mean conversion...right ? Transformation will do.
It is neither passive or easy.
Turning from sin, and those that commit sin, is very difficult.
Water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins is easy enough.
The reception of the gift of the holy Ghost is dependent on those first two things being done, and is in God's hands: not ours.

But your way is the one that is the false gospel, as you've been shown from God's word many, many times on this site. And yet, here you are - again - flogging the dead horse of your error.

Nobody can prove that the ability to obey God perfectly is impossible.

1 John 1:8
8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.

Pertains to those who walk in darkness, which is sin.
Sinners cannot say they have no sin, or that they have fellowship with God, or that they know Him.
Thanks be to God we can walk in the light, which is God, and in Whom is no sin !

1 Corinthians 3:1-3
1 And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual men, but as to men of flesh, as to infants in Christ.
2 I gave you milk to drink, not solid food; for you were not yet able to receive it. Indeed, even now you are not yet able,
3 for you are still fleshly...

If they are fleshly, they are not Spiritual.

1 John 2:1
1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;

The "any man" are they who have yet to use the converted's Advocate.
The "we" are those who have already used Christ's advocacy.

Revelation 3:1-3
1 "To the angel of the church in Sardis write: He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars, says this: 'I know your deeds, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead.
2 'Wake up, and strengthen the things that remain, which were about to die; for I have not found your deeds completed in the sight of My God.
Romans 6:1-3

Repentance from sin comes first, before anything else.

1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?
2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?
3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?

Thank God for that.
Without it nobody could join with Christ is His death, burial, or His resurrection.
And nobody could be raised with Him to walk in newness of life.

Galatians 5:17
17 For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please.

As one who has been granted the ability to walk in and after the Spirit, I find I cannot do the things of the "flesh".
I pray that you one day know my joy.

And so on.
It is a testament to the depth and destructiveness of your error that in the face of all the indications to the contrary in the Bible, you persist in your error and are constantly luring others to join you in it. You cannot any longer see the Truth of God's word, just as 1 John 1:8 says will be the case with your particular false view. Very sad. And very evil, frankly.

The truth you refer to is apparently not the truth Jesus said could free us from committing sin. (John 8:32-34)
I reject the false truth that has enslaved so many to continued service to sin.

Nonsense. This is a glaring false dichotomy. It isn't that one is either fully repented from all sin in their life for all time or has not repented at all, but that progressively they are being sanctified by the Holy Spirit, shown the secret corners of sin in their life by him so that, from this sin, repentance can be made. This is what is clearly communicated in the many statements in the NT concerning spiritual immaturity and maturity, spiritual growth, and in the descriptions of believers as "carnal infants," and those who must drink spiritual "milk" rather than eat "meat" and who are ignorant of their identity in Jesus Christ and living like it.

I reject your false gospel.
It is saddled with partial rebirths, and semi repentant doctrines.
It is of the devil.

Ephesians 4:13-15
13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.
14 As a result, we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming;
15 but speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ,

I hope someday you may include your self in the "all" of verse 13.

What attainment to unity is necessary for those who are sinlessly perfect and for whom repentance is utterly complete?

Diverse minds have differing approaches to topics.
Sometimes the 'unconversion' from false churches is more difficult than 'conversion' to the truth of Christ.

Why would Paul indicate to fellow believers ("we all attain") that such attainment was necessary?

Why do you think the 'we' includes believers ?
Why don't you see the "all" as all mankind ?
Though believers are frequently exhorted to think alike, and have no differences in doctrine.

What maturing is required by one who is without sin? None at all.

You overestimate those admonished to grow in grace and knowledge.

And yet, Paul urges the Christians at Ephesus toward such maturity, clearly implying that, though saved, they were not yet mature spiritually. And then, he makes himself unmistakably plain by writing, "we - Paul included - are to grow up in all aspects into Christ." Paul an apostle of Jesus Christ, the second greatest contributor to the New Testament, had to "grow up into Christ"? If this was so for Paul, it is certainly so for all other disciples of Jesus Christ.

Our opinions differ.
How can one who obeys God have any agreement with one who denies it is possible ?

That this isn't as obvious to you as the nose on your face reveals the terrible penalty you're paying for persisting in your false doctrine of sinless perfection. The longer you willfully continue in your error, the greater will be your blindness to God's Truth.

Your doctrine is dedicated to tearing down what Christ has built up.
It is the Debby-downer of the universe.

Continued below.

 

[Hopeful 2]

1 Corinthians 3:6-7
6 I planted, Apollos watered, but God was causing the growth.
7 So then neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but God who causes the growth.

Why would Paul say the Corinthian believers were being grown by God if they were already sinlessly perfect? What growth remains for those who are without sin? In context, Paul is clearly speaking, not merely of the Corinthian believer's knowledge of the doctrines of the faith, but of their attitudes and behavior, which he had just condemned as carnal and fleshly. Very obviously, Paul did not think his Christian brethren at Corinth were sinlessly perfect and thus not needing growth spiritually. Just the opposite, in fact.

Repentance from sin comes first, before any other issue is dealt with.
Besides, even the obedient can grow in grace and knowledge.

Colossians 2:18-19
18 Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind,
19 and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.

Here, too, Paul urges the believers at Colosse to cease being "defrauded of their prize" by having a fleshly mind puffed up (inflated) by acts of self-debasement, and worship of angels, and false visions. He then urges an alternative which is that the believers at Colosse "hold fast to the head" who is Jesus Christ and "grow with a growth which is from God." Again, what growth is necessary for Christians who are totally without sin, which would necessarily exclude the sort of thing Paul said the Colossian Christians were guilty of? This is so obvious that it feels...strange to me to have to explain this to you. But so far from Truth have you strayed in holding your false doctrine of sinless perfection that what is so plain to everyone else is now well-obscured from your mind - just as the apostle John said would be the case.

I see is more as an observation of the unclean's condition.
It is another way God has given to the freed to recognize the servants of sin.

1 John 1:8
8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.

Again, some if 1 John 1 only pertains to those who walk in darkness-sin.
Sinners can neither say they have no sin, or that they have fellowship with God, or that they know Him.
Those walking in the light-God can say yes to all those things.
Thanks be to God !

Hebrews 10:14 (ESV)
14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

Part of our different perspectives may be due to your version of the King James bible.
In it, Heb 10 :14 says..."For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified."
Your version won't admit sanctification can actually be completed.
More partial rebirth, and semi-repentance based doctrine.

Nobody will force you to turn from sin, or obey God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength.
Nobody will force you to love your neighbors as you love yourself.
But that choice is possible.