Baptism of the Holy Spirit, is not at salvation

[ezra]

Please keep it nice and polite, no need to start saying ad hominem attacks about my bread being out dated.

Here is another verse for you

Acts 8:14-16King James Version (KJV)
14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:

15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:

16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

you got to go past the book of acts . i have used a wide variety of scriptures so i have to pray that i might receive the Holy ghost ?sorry but this is a dead end. i was nice saying bread out dated . it was not a attack besides it was you who used bread . i have done took this farther that what i should have. there is NO way i will agree with you. you have went from tongues to spirit upon you by praying . i do pray the spirit will lead me and i also ask for help. i love romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. i been empowered i been set free. it is my Job to walk in the spirit .. have a great night i really dont need to visit this again . i respect your belief because it is what i am suppose to do but i disagree with the Holy spirit theory at that i bid you good night

 

[godsquadgeek]

Please keep it nice and polite, no need to start saying ad hominem attacks about my name.
again let me repost the verses in question here: My point is that the holy spirit is in you at salvation, but only upon you when you pray and ask for his spirit to baptize you with power (acts 1:8)

more verses on the baptism of the holy spirit: "have you received the holy spirit since you believed?"

Luk 3:16; Jhn 1:33; Act 1:4-5; Jhn 20:22; 1Cr 12:13; Jhn 14:17; Rom 8:9; Jhn 7:37-38; Eph 5:18; Luk 11:13; Mat 3:11; Act 1:4; Act 2:1-4; Jhn 20:22; Act 2:38-39; Act 8:16-17; Act 11:15; Act 19:2 Jhn 7:37; Hbr 4:12; Isa 44:3; Jhn 7:39

 

[ezra]

I'm sorry geek, I'm not wrong and it is not a theory. You are trying to make a point that is not there. I know what happened to me. I received the Holy Ghost when I was saved....instantly! And when the Spirit used me, I was filled with the Spirit to carry out His will. I was sitting in Church one day and the pastor did not show up. I'am very shy to speak in front of people, but the Spirit called me out of the pew and filled me with His Spirit and He took over. Another time we had a member of the congregation to fill in for the pastor one Sunday. That day the Spirit told me to prepare a sermon for tonight, I was afraid not to prepare for I thought I might be imagining things....so I prepared, and that night the member told me he lost his voice and asked me what to do, why did he ask me? Anyway, i was filled with the Spirit and he preached His teaching. There are many more instances where the Holy Spirit has called me and filled me, sometimes in an instant . A man must be in fellowship, seeking and have a willing spirit.

If Paul would have listened to the Spirit, he might have preached the Gospel longer than he did, but he was cut short because he would not obey the Spirit. If your interested why Paul was martyred before his time, study Acts chapters 21 and 22 prayerfully.

:amen

 

[godsquadgeek]

you got to go past the book of acts . i have used a wide variety of scriptures so i have to pray that i might receive the Holy ghost ?sorry but this is a dead end. i was nice saying bread out dated . it was not a attack besides it was you who used bread . i have done took this farther that what i should have. there is NO way i will agree with you. you have went from tongues to spirit upon you by praying . i do pray the spirit will lead me and i also ask for help. i love romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. i been empowered i been set free. it is my Job to walk in the spirit .. have a great night i really dont need to visit this again . i respect your belief because it is what i am suppose to do but i disagree with the Holy spirit theory at that i bid you good night

Edited

more verses on the baptism of the holy spirit: "have you received the holy spirit since you believed?"

Luk 3:16; Jhn 1:33; Act 1:4-5; Jhn 20:22; 1Cr 12:13; Jhn 14:17; Rom 8:9; Jhn 7:37-38; Eph 5:18; Luk 11:13; Mat 3:11; Act 1:4; Act 2:1-4; Jhn 20:22; Act 2:38-39; Act 8:16-17; Act 11:15; Act 19:2 Jhn 7:37; Hbr 4:12; Isa 44:3; Jhn 7:39

 

[godsquadgeek]

our church has after glows and many times supernatural acts happen at these times, but this is the meat of scripture. We have to get past the milk of scripture before any of this will make sense.

 

[dirtfarmer]

some times you can speak in other languages, for example one time an after glow was happening and a woman got the gift of tongues, and another interpreted. And she spoke perfect aristocratic french, and didn't know french. A lady that heard the tongues in her own dialogue, wanted to be saved immediately. She said it was praises to God in her own language and she wanted to be saved. So in that way it was a sign to them that believe not.

hello godsquadgeek, dirtfarmer here

It is a glorious occasion when a person is given salvation.

Paul in 1 Corinthians 14 is referring to those Jews that had been saved but didn't believe that God was bringing Gentiles into the body. It is my belief that "those that believe not" is referring to the saved Jews that did not believe that God was saving Gentiles. They were not "non believers" in Jesus Christ. They were of those 3000 that were added in Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost and heard Peter speak. Acts 10:45 gives us insight into this "unbelief" Acts 10:45-46, " And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost." Why were they astonished": verse 46 ," For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God,"
The sign that was given to those believers that "didn't believe"( not unbelief in Christ) was tongues spoken by the Gentiles to confirm that God had established the "body of believers" that were not just Jews, but also included Gentiles.

We read that faith is revealed from faith unto faith. My understanding of faith is the belief that Christ is the payment for our sin debt and that belief on him is the only way to receive salvation.

 

[godsquadgeek]

hello godsquadgeek, dirtfarmer here

It is a glorious occasion when a person is given salvation.

Paul in 1 Corinthians 14 is referring to those Jews that had been saved but didn't believe that God was bringing Gentiles into the body. It is my belief that "those that believe not" is referring to the saved Jews that did not believe that God was saving Gentiles. They were not "non believers" in Jesus Christ. They were of those 3000 that were added in Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost and heard Peter speak. Acts 10:45 gives us insight into this "unbelief" Acts 10:45-46, " And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost." Why were they astonished": verse 46 ," For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God,"
The sign that was given to those believers that "didn't believe"( not unbelief in Christ) was tongues spoken by the Gentiles to confirm that God had established the "body of believers" that were not just Jews, but also included Gentiles.

We read that faith is revealed from faith unto faith. My understanding of faith is the belief that Christ is the payment for our sin debt and that belief on him is the only way to receive salvation.

So how is tongues a sign for the unbelievers in corinthians if in corinthians they were believers?

 

[dirtfarmer]

So how is tongues a sign for the unbelievers in corinthians if in corinthians they were believers?

hello godsquadgeek, dirtfarmer here

Paul's second "missionary journey" around 50 A.D.
The church at Corinth was a carnal church, not a spiritual church. We know this from 1 Corinthians 1:11, " For it hath been declared unto me of you brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you." When Paul first was in Corinth he preached in the synagogue until he was force to preach from the house of Titius Justus. It was the Jews, there at Corinth, that accused Paul of preaching heresy. He left about 18 months after being acquitted of heresy.
It was after he left that he wrote 1 Corinthians because he received a letter from the church at Corinth asking many questions.

As I have stated before the unbelievers were not "heathen", but Jews that believed, but their unbelief was that God was including Gentiles in the "Church". Tongues were for a sign to the Jewish Christians that didn't believe that God was saving the Gentile believers and making them part of the body of Christ. Tongues were for a sign to them, the Jewish believers.

 

[godsquadgeek]

hello godsquadgeek, dirtfarmer here

Paul's second "missionary journey" around 50 A.D.
The church at Corinth was a carnal church, not a spiritual church. We know this from 1 Corinthians 1:11, " For it hath been declared unto me of you brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you." When Paul first was in Corinth he preached in the synagogue until he was force to preach from the house of Titius Justus. It was the Jews, there at Corinth, that accused Paul of preaching heresy. He left about 18 months after being acquitted of heresy.
It was after he left that he wrote 1 Corinthians because he received a letter from the church at Corinth asking many questions.

As I have stated before the unbelievers were not "heathen", but Jews that believed, but their unbelief was that God was including Gentiles in the "Church". Tongues were for a sign to the Jewish Christians that didn't believe that God was saving the Gentile believers and making them part of the body of Christ. Tongues were for a sign to them, the Jewish believers.

so can you prove they were unbelievers, I mean do you have verses that specifically state carnal christians are not christians? Well anyway, this is my last post regarding this as this has become off topic. This is not a thread on tongues, but a thread on the spirit.

 

[eddif]

hello godsquadgeek, dirtfarmer here

It is a glorious occasion when a person is given salvation.

Paul in 1 Corinthians 14 is referring to those Jews that had been saved but didn't believe that God was bringing Gentiles into the body. It is my belief that "those that believe not" is referring to the saved Jews that did not believe that God was saving Gentiles. They were not "non believers" in Jesus Christ. They were of those 3000 that were added in Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost and heard Peter speak. Acts 10:45 gives us insight into this "unbelief" Acts 10:45-46, " And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost." Why were they astonished": verse 46 ," For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God,"
The sign that was given to those believers that "didn't believe"( not unbelief in Christ) was tongues spoken by the Gentiles to confirm that God had established the "body of believers" that were not just Jews, but also included Gentiles.

We read that faith is revealed from faith unto faith. My understanding of faith is the belief that Christ is the payment for our sin debt and that belief on him is the only way to receive salvation.

The circumcism party finally believed:
That God had brought in the Gentiles
But
The Gentiles must keep the law of Moses.

Previous to that final belief, Peter thought the Gentiles were unclean, and had to be convinced by the vision of the unclean animals he was told to kill and eat.
Acts 10:13 KJV
And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.

Convinced that God was declaring all men clean, Peter went to the Gentiles.

Believing circumcision party Jews (carnal Christians), wanted the Gentiles to do the works of the Law.

This takes hours to go through. This thread is so wide open fast it is missing details.

eddif

 

[JohnDB]

Closing for review

 

[JohnDB]

Open
Please use scriptures and limit personal remarks when debating points.

 

[JLB]

you got to go past the book of acts . i have used a wide variety of scriptures so i have to pray that i might receive the Holy ghost ?

Yes absolutely.


9 “So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. 11 If a son asks for bread from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!” Luke 11:13



JLB

 

[FreeGrace]

ezra said: ↑
you got to go past the book of acts . i have used a wide variety of scriptures so i have to pray that i might receive the Holy ghost ?

Yes absolutely.

9 “So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. 11 If a son asks for bread from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!” Luke 11:13
JLB

Unfortunately, Jesus said this to His disciples in a PREVIOUS dispensation, when the Holy Spirit DIDN'T indwell believers universally. The Holy Spirit wasn't given universally to all believers UNTIL the present dispensation. To miss this point is to set yourself up for misunderstanding a whole lot of Scripture.

Jesus' disciples were so dumb that Jesus had to finally "breathe the Holy Spirit" on them before He arose to the Father. And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit." John 20:22

Jesus also taught that the Holy Spirit was coming and would be with believers forever: "And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever" John 14:16.

So, the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is received when a person puts their faith in Christ from Gal 3:
2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?
5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?

 

[JLB]

ezra said: ↑
you got to go past the book of acts . i have used a wide variety of scriptures so i have to pray that i might receive the Holy ghost ?

Unfortunately, Jesus said this to His disciples in a PREVIOUS dispensation, when the Holy Spirit DIDN'T indwell believers universally. The Holy Spirit wasn't given universally to all believers UNTIL the present dispensation. To miss this point is to set yourself up for misunderstanding a whole lot of Scripture.

Jesus' disciples were so dumb that Jesus had to finally "breathe the Holy Spirit" on them before He arose to the Father. And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit." John 20:22

Jesus also taught that the Holy Spirit was coming and would be with believers forever: "And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever" John 14:16.

So, the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is received when a person puts their faith in Christ from Gal 3:
2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?
5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?

Unfortunately none of what you stated has anything to do with my post, which answers a simple quest.

Here is the question that ezra asked: ... so i have to pray that i might receive the Holy ghost ?

• Here is my answer with scripture: From post # 73

Yes absolutely.


9 “So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. 11 If a son asks for bread from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!” Luke 11:13


It is biblical for a person to ask for the Holy Spirit.

That is the point I was making.

Does the bible refer to people receiving the Holy Spirit who did not ask for it? Yes.

Example:

44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. 45 And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God. Acts 10:44-46


However, we don't really know for sure if Cornelius asked God for His Spirit or not, since the bible doesn't list every prayer that Cornelius prayed.

There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of what was called the Italian Regiment, 2 a devout man and one who feared God with all his household, who gave alms generously to the people, and prayed to God always. 3 About the ninth hour of the day he saw clearly in a vision an angel of God coming in and saying to him, “Cornelius!”4 And when he observed him, he was afraid, and said, “What is it, lord?”

So he said to him, “Your prayers and your alms have come up for a memorial before God. Acts 10:1-4


Never the less, it is biblical to ask God for the Holy Spirit.


9 “So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. 11 If a son asks for bread from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!” Luke 11:13


If you don't agree that it is biblical to ask God for the Holy Spirit, then please list the scriptures that teach us it is not.



JLB

 

[JLB]

2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?

I received the Holy Spirit because I obeyed the prompting of the Holy Spirit to attend a meeting where the Baptism of the Holy Spirit was being preached.

The man of God laid hands on me and I received the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues, when I was fourteen years old in San Marcos Texas, 1974.


JLB

 

[eddif]

Jesus' disciples were so dumb that Jesus had to finally "breathe the Holy Spirit" on them before He arose to the Father. And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit." John 20:22

Well some folks believe that. If you will bear with me, possibly we can expand the quote.

John 20:21 KJV
Then said Jesus to them again, Peace beunto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

Luke 24:49 KJV
And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

Matthew 28:19 KJV
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

IMHO :
John 20:23 is the prophetic promise of what would happen on the day of Pentecost (at Jerusalem).

Acts 2:2 KJV
And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

(Sorry about the tongues, but that is the next verse)

So
When the mighty wind arrived...,,
The disciples realized why Jesus breathed on them. The disciples would realize (we were instructed to receive), and this must be the time of the receiving. Boy Jesus's breath was really amplified today.

Now I hope my liberality of expansion is not considered heresy. God always reveals ahead of time.

Amos 3:7 KJV
Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

Joel 2:28 KJV
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

Acts 2:15 KJV
For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Post got long. Well ignorant rednecks don't know nothing. So if this makes sense it must be the Holy Spirit at work.

eddif

 

[th1b.taylor]

many are confusing the initial filling of the holy spirit with the baptism of the holy spirit.
Acts 19 asks a question, "have you received the holy spirit since you believed" meaning that you can recieve power after salvation, a particular filling of the holy spirit. The verses you speak of is general power given just through salvation. This is a particular gift, that allows one to have gifts of the spirit. Some may have the gift of the spirit but not know why< This is why. Acts 19 power. I will try to link a study to this post in a minute. But this power is available at any time. Just as a man would not deny his children bread, so too God will not deny His Holy Spirit to those who need it. If your ministry is burnt out or dry, so too like evangelicalism without the holy spirit, it too can be revived.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=10QMvv1HNpDbL3-OKBzeeRdLLawQtQe12kPePhSWAIr0

I believe I read this the first day you posted it and kept quiet until I could check scripture. I already knew from my own Salvation Experience that we had an issue but I needed to confirm my grasp on Acts 19.

I disagree with your assessment. Rather I do not see your question in that chapter but I do find confirmation for my experience of the first day and all that has occurred since that time.

I was entertaining on New Years eve, 1989 and mid-song, ringing in the New Year, that would be 11:45, bar time, I wasw overcome with and by the Holy Spirit and knew I was going to loose that paycheck because I was in the wrong place.

I had two more 45 minute sets to play but I felt the indwelling of God, suddenly and definitely. God had troubled me since November 3, 1966 to give my soul to Him, a thing I thought He did not truly mean because I deserved Hell and the Lake of fire.

But that fall saw Dollie introduce her version of "He's Alive," and CMT was my7 TV station and every time they played that video I broke down in tears because God would stir my heart.

I am to this day, unworthy of His suffering, I know that, as do the Moderators and regular posters here but when I was enjoying war, a nasty man, God called me and He isw patient, beyond belief because that night my small Silver Leather KJV was no long a Greek Mystery to me butt read as though it were dumb of me not to see it all those times I had tried to read it.

Because the entire world looked different and because I had no desire to ever play another gig, I was in service the next Sunday at the Church down the street and have been since that day. I have played a Church nor a Prison since that I did not feel the Infilling of the Holy Spirit.

But the infilling aside, I have the same power of the Spirit I had that first night and though I have forever been able to fake Speaking in Tongues, I do not speak in them. I have Laid Hands on people with a team of six other men and seen people healed of ailments. Not the stage acting thing but rather a small, private service. I always remember one Spanish, Catholic, Lady that in the Xray, had a Cancerous Tumor, the size of a Texas Grapefruit.

We laid hands on her and each of us prayed, ignoring what the others were saying and the doctor was angry with her, later that week. She checked into the Hospital and went into surgery. In recovery, that surgeon was right there,k as she came to.

The doctor asked her if she had been prayed over, over the weekend and she told him yes. He then scolded her for not telling him. He, also, was a believer and had she informed him that seven Baptists had laid hands on her and prayed for that malignant tumor to be healed by God he would have shot her with one more x-ray and that she would have one less scar because he saw it on the X-ray but it was not there when he cut her open and she was showing no sign of Cancer now.

I was saved by the time 12:00 midnight or 0 Hundred Hours rolled around January 1, 1990 and there is the constant in filling from then to now. Watch or ask the mods here and you wil find I know how to Quence the
Spirit but I am saved and the Spirit jerks knots in my tail from time to time because that Old man, the slut chasing drunken druggie is still trying to kill God's New MKan.

 

[eddif]

I believe I read this the first day you posted it and kept quiet until I could check scripture. I already knew from my own Salvation Experience that we had an issue but I needed to confirm my grasp on Acts 19.

I disagree with your assessment. Rather I do not see your question in that chapter but I do find confirmation for my experience of the first day and all that has occurred since that time.

I was entertaining on New Years eve, 1989 and mid-song, ringing in the New Year, that would be 11:45, bar time, I wasw overcome with and by the Holy Spirit and knew I was going to loose that paycheck because I was in the wrong place.

I had two more 45 minute sets to play but I felt the indwelling of God, suddenly and definitely. God had troubled me since November 3, 1966 to give my soul to Him, a thing I thought He did not truly mean because I deserved Hell and the Lake of fire.

But that fall saw Dollie introduce her version of "He's Alive," and CMT was my7 TV station and every time they played that video I broke down in tears because God would stir my heart.

I am to this day, unworthy of His suffering, I know that, as do the Moderators and regular posters here but when I was enjoying war, a nasty man, God called me and He isw patient, beyond belief because that night my small Silver Leather KJV was no long a Greek Mystery to me butt read as though it were dumb of me not to see it all those times I had tried to read it.

Because the entire world looked different and because I had no desire to ever play another gig, I was in service the next Sunday at the Church down the street and have been since that day. I have played a Church nor a Prison since that I did not feel the Infilling of the Holy Spirit.

But the infilling aside, I have the same power of the Spirit I had that first night and though I have forever been able to fake Speaking in Tongues, I do not speak in them. I have Laid Hands on people with a team of six other men and seen people healed of ailments. Not the stage acting thing but rather a small, private service. I always remember one Spanish, Catholic, Lady that in the Xray, had a Cancerous Tumor, the size of a Texas Grapefruit.

We laid hands on her and each of us prayed, ignoring what the others were saying and the doctor was angry with her, later that week. She checked into the Hospital and went into surgery. In recovery, that surgeon was right there,k as she came to.

The doctor asked her if she had been prayed over, over the weekend and she told him yes. He then scolded her for not telling him. He, also, was a believer and had she informed him that seven Baptists had laid hands on her and prayed for that malignant tumor to be healed by God he would have shot her with one more x-ray and that she would have one less scar because he saw it on the X-ray but it was not there when he cut her open and she was showing no sign of Cancer now.

I was saved by the time 12:00 midnight or 0 Hundred Hours rolled around January 1, 1990 and there is the constant in filling from then to now. Watch or ask the mods here and you wil find I know how to Quence the
Spirit but I am saved and the Spirit jerks knots in my tail from time to time because that Old man, the slut chasing drunken druggie is still trying to kill God's New MKan.

Honest post brother.

I Corinthians 15:52 KJV
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

That verse is not in every translation. But every time I cuss and raise hell I think. I do no preach myself but Jesus Christ and him crucified.
Romans 7:25 sure tells us we have a dual nature.

Jesus went into a temple that had issues. The Holy Spirit enters us and convicts us of:
Sin - regretfully of our sin at times
Righteousness - that we have in Christ
Judgement - when everyone learns the truth

I got a moist eye reading your post.

eddif

 

[th1b.taylor]

Honest post brother.

I Corinthians 15:52 KJV
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

That verse is not in every translation. But every time I cuss and raise hell I think. I do no preach myself but Jesus Christ and him crucified.
Romans 7:25 sure tells us we have a dual nature.

Jesus went into a temple that had issues. The Holy Spirit enters us and convicts us of:
Sin - regretfully of our sin at times
Righteousness - that we have in Christ
Judgement - when everyone learns the truth

I got a moist eye reading your post.

eddif

Thank you for the flowers but in truth it is not me but is Him that the Old Man tries hard to quince. If I do not respond to My ire and will listen to the spirit, I'm not all that bad, I think.