Baptism of the Holy Spirit, is not at salvation

[LovethroughDove]

more verses on the baptism of the holy spirit: "have you received the holy spirit since you believed?"

Luk 3:16; Jhn 1:33; Act 1:4-5; Jhn 20:22; 1Cr 12:13; Jhn 14:17; Rom 8:9; Jhn 7:37-38; Eph 5:18; Luk 11:13; Mat 3:11; Act 1:4; Act 2:1-4; Jhn 20:22; Act 2:38-39; Act 8:16-17; Act 11:15; Act 19:2 Jhn 7:37; Hbr 4:12; Isa 44:3; Jhn 7:39 here are some audio commentaries on acts 19: https://www.blueletterbible.org/aud...pirit.cfm#The_Baptism_of_the_Holy_Spirit_Pt_2

The reason for this question? He was testing them on "in what have you believed". This is what I have been saying all along on these posts about being born again and receiving the Spirit and being saved.

Romans 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

The people in Acts 19 believed in the water baptism, but hadn't known about the Romans 10:9

 

[godsquadgeek]

I believe I read this the first day you posted it and kept quiet until I could check scripture. I already knew from my own Salvation Experience that we had an issue but I needed to confirm my grasp on Acts 19.

I disagree with your assessment. Rather I do not see your question in that chapter but I do find confirmation for my experience of the first day and all that has occurred since that time.

I was entertaining on New Years eve, 1989 and mid-song, ringing in the New Year, that would be 11:45, bar time, I wasw overcome with and by the Holy Spirit and knew I was going to loose that paycheck because I was in the wrong place.

I had two more 45 minute sets to play but I felt the indwelling of God, suddenly and definitely. God had troubled me since November 3, 1966 to give my soul to Him, a thing I thought He did not truly mean because I deserved Hell and the Lake of fire.

But that fall saw Dollie introduce her version of "He's Alive," and CMT was my7 TV station and every time they played that video I broke down in tears because God would stir my heart.

I am to this day, unworthy of His suffering, I know that, as do the Moderators and regular posters here but when I was enjoying war, a nasty man, God called me and He isw patient, beyond belief because that night my small Silver Leather KJV was no long a Greek Mystery to me butt read as though it were dumb of me not to see it all those times I had tried to read it.

Because the entire world looked different and because I had no desire to ever play another gig, I was in service the next Sunday at the Church down the street and have been since that day. I have played a Church nor a Prison since that I did not feel the Infilling of the Holy Spirit.

But the infilling aside, I have the same power of the Spirit I had that first night and though I have forever been able to fake Speaking in Tongues, I do not speak in them. I have Laid Hands on people with a team of six other men and seen people healed of ailments. Not the stage acting thing but rather a small, private service. I always remember one Spanish, Catholic, Lady that in the Xray, had a Cancerous Tumor, the size of a Texas Grapefruit.

We laid hands on her and each of us prayed, ignoring what the others were saying and the doctor was angry with her, later that week. She checked into the Hospital and went into surgery. In recovery, that surgeon was right there,k as she came to.

The doctor asked her if she had been prayed over, over the weekend and she told him yes. He then scolded her for not telling him. He, also, was a believer and had she informed him that seven Baptists had laid hands on her and prayed for that malignant tumor to be healed by God he would have shot her with one more x-ray and that she would have one less scar because he saw it on the X-ray but it was not there when he cut her open and she was showing no sign of Cancer now.

I was saved by the time 12:00 midnight or 0 Hundred Hours rolled around January 1, 1990 and there is the constant in filling from then to now. Watch or ask the mods here and you wil find I know how to Quence the
Spirit but I am saved and the Spirit jerks knots in my tail from time to time because that Old man, the slut chasing drunken druggie is still trying to kill God's New MKan.

thanks for sharing, but as acts 19:2 states we can have a surplus of power after we believe, it may not give you jitters or holy spirit goose bumps, but it definately is a longer lasting power to do ministry. I believe that many are lacking in power for two things, refusing to do communion and get right with God, and refusing to ask God for help with his spirit baptism. Acts 19:2

 

[godsquadgeek]

The reason for this question? He was testing them on "in what have you believed". This is what I have been saying all along on these posts about being born again and receiving the Spirit and being saved.

Romans 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

The people in Acts 19 believed in the water baptism, but hadn't known about the Romans 10:9

the people in acts didn't know about most of pauls books or any of them. But they could still be saved simply by repenting and believing in Christ as is the gospel message in all of the gospels. Mark 1:15

 

[Douglas Summers]

ezra said: ↑
you got to go past the book of acts . i have used a wide variety of scriptures so i have to pray that i might receive the Holy ghost ?

Unfortunately, Jesus said this to His disciples in a PREVIOUS dispensation, when the Holy Spirit DIDN'T indwell believers universally. The Holy Spirit wasn't given universally to all believers UNTIL the present dispensation. To miss this point is to set yourself up for misunderstanding a whole lot of Scripture.

Jesus' disciples were so dumb that Jesus had to finally "breathe the Holy Spirit" on them before He arose to the Father. And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit." John 20:22

Jesus also taught that the Holy Spirit was coming and would be with believers forever: "And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever" John 14:16.

So, the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is received when a person puts their faith in Christ from Gal 3:
2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?
5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?

Good post with accurate Scripture proof.

 

[th1b.taylor]

thanks for sharing, but as acts 19:2 states we can have a surplus of power after we believe, it may not give you jitters or holy spirit goose bumps, but it definately is a longer lasting power to do ministry. I believe that many are lacking in power for two things, refusing to do communion and get right with God, and refusing to ask God for help with his spirit baptism. Acts 19:2

But, except you believe, you cannot be saved! (1John 5:5)

 

[eddif]

The reason for this question? He was testing them on "in what have you believed". This is what I have been saying all along on these posts about being born again and receiving the Spirit and being saved.

Romans 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

The people in Acts 19 believed in the water baptism, but hadn't known about the Romans 10:9

The big issue is the "will be".

Lots of folks change (will be) into (are).

Some say (truly) must must be inserted.

Some say if your name is still written in the book of life, at the judgement throne.

Some say if you keep the law of Moses.

Some say other things.

What are you saying? And. You can use your own words.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[FreeGrace]

Here is the question that ezra asked: ... so i have to pray that i might receive the Holy ghost ?

• Here is my answer with scripture: From post # 73

Yes absolutely.

Absolutely NOT. The Holy Spirit is given when one believes in Christ. I proved that from Gal 3:2 and 5, which I fully quoted.

It is biblical for a person to ask for the Holy Spirit.

In the OT, sure. As Jesus taught His disciples.

But Paul taught (for NT believers) that the Spirit is given when one believes. Gal 3:2,5.

Does the bible refer to people receiving the Holy Spirit who did not ask for it? Yes.

Yes. At the point of faith in Christ, per Gal 3:2,5.

 

[FreeGrace]

I received the Holy Spirit because I obeyed the prompting of the Holy Spirit to attend a meeting where the Baptism of the Holy Spirit was being preached.

So, let's review the pertinent verses again from Galatians 3:
2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?
5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?

So you see, no one receives the Holy Spirit by attending any kind of meeting, but by "believing what you heard", which is an obvious reference to believing the gospel, not attending some meeting.

The man of God laid hands on me and I received the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues, when I was fourteen years old in San Marcos Texas, 1974.

I would like to ask just one question relative to your statement. Relative to that day in San Marcos TX in 1974, when did you put your faith in Jesus Christ for salvation?

1. at that same meeting
2. before that meeting
3. after that meeting

Thanks.

 

[eddif]

thanks for sharing, but as acts 19:2 states we can have a surplus of power after we believe, it may not give you jitters or holy spirit goose bumps, but it definately is a longer lasting power to do ministry. I believe that many are lacking in power for two things, refusing to do communion and get right with God, and refusing to ask God for help with his spirit baptism. Acts 19:2

Acts 19:2 KJV
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

Is acts 19:2 the verse you were meaning to use? One stray touch screen brush can help you say strange things.

eddif

 

[godsquadgeek]

But, except you believe, you cannot be saved! (1John 5:5)

we are saved by faith John 3:16, but also through repentance of sin. you cannot believe in Christ and also believe in idols to save you.

 

[godsquadgeek]

Acts 19:2 KJV
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

Is acts 19:2 the verse you were meaning to use? One stray touch screen brush can help you say strange things.

eddif

it's the same power in acts 1:8, as in acts 19:2, chapter ninteen simply shows that this power is after salvation.

 

[WIP]

we are saved by faith John 3:16, but also through repentance of sin. you cannot believe in Christ and also believe in idols to save you.

The verse you quoted seems to say that we are saved by believing in the Son.

 

[eddif]

it's the same power in acts 1:8, as in acts 19:2, chapter ninteen simply shows that this power is after salvation.

Ok. Maybe I see a problem.

This power you refer to. The power is to be a witness of what our Lord Jesus Christ did. It is not about our ministry you mentioned in post one. I am a jerk from Mississippi. If I have an impact it is to lift up Christ Jesus, and realize my low standing in the flesh. Oh in the mind I serve Jesus, but my flesh serves the law of sin. While I may not totally agree with post 2 ezra is speaking of salvation. WIP just got through with implying repentance is not salvation.
Repentance leaves us with a great need.
Jesus work saves us from hell.
The Holy Spirit empowers us to present the Gospel.

eddif in the flesh is a jerk.
The Holy Spirit is at work in me (sometimes turning over my tables).

We labor to do Doctrine. What we personally believe can be wrong. What The Godhead believes and works in us is what is important.

If I can teach the least amount correctly, it is Christ in me and not eddif. If I am wrong rebuke me. If he is speaking hear him.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[godsquadgeek]

The verse you quoted seems to say that we are saved by believing in the Son.

Mark 1:15 as well as over 100 other verses mention faith plus repentance. One has to do serious misinterpretation of the Bible to justify easy believism.

 

[eddif]

Maybe we need:
John 6:44 KJV
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

eddif

 

[godsquadgeek]

Ok. Maybe I see a problem.

This power you refer to. The power is to be a witness of what our Lord Jesus Christ did. It is not about our ministry you mentioned in post one. I am a jerk from Mississippi. If I have an impact it is to lift up Christ Jesus, and realize my low standing in the flesh. Oh in the mind I serve Jesus, but my flesh serves the law of sin. While I may not totally agree with post 2 ezra is speaking of salvation. WIP just got through with implying repentance is not salvation.
Repentance leaves us with a great need.
Jesus work saves us from hell.
The Holy Spirit empowers us to present the Gospel.

eddif in the flesh is a jerk.
The Holy Spirit is at work in me (sometimes turning over my tables).

We labor to do Doctrine. What we personally believe can be wrong. What The Godhead believes and works in us is what is important.

If I can teach the least amount correctly, it is Christ in me and not eddif. If I am wrong rebuke me. If he is speaking hear him.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

I didn't see any verses in your post, but how does witnessing about Christ exclude ministry, and vice versa, acts 1:8

 

[godsquadgeek]

Maybe we need:
John 6:44 KJV
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

eddif

1 john 3:9 no one continues to sin that is born of God, as well as over 100 verses I could post ad nausium all reveal that repentance of sin and idols is a critical aspect of genuine faith through grace.

 

[eddif]

Mark 1:15 as well as over 100 other verses mention faith plus repentance. One has to do serious misinterpretation of the Bible to justify easy believism.

Acts 4:12 KJV
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

John preached repentance. In a state of repentance you are still lost. You know you have sinned, but you have a great need. Jesus is the solution. John the Baptist said.
John 1:29 KJV
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

eddif

 

[eddif]

I didn't see any verses in your post, but how does witnessing about Christ exclude ministry, and vice versa, acts 1:8

II Corinthians 4:5 KJV
For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

It excludes the personal ego.

Redneck
eddif

 

[eddif]

1 john 3:9 no one continues to sin that is born of God, as well as over 100 verses I could post ad nausium all reveal that repentance of sin and idols is a critical aspect of genuine faith through grace.

Romans 6:4 KJV
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Do we continue to live under dominion of sin? No.
Can we say we have no sin? No.

eddif