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Being Perfect

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jasoncran said:
sheesh i have live under the power of porn that there was no way i could be set free but the lord. i couldnt stop it and i was its prisoner.

and i fasted and prayed God take it.
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Or, . . . a person can just experience a bit of self control and acheive the same. It isn't an addiction. . . . . it is a failing. You make a decision and then you take control of your life. What you need is strength of mind, will power, and character. That is basically what you do when you overcome anything.
 
Alabaster said:
Yet Jesus tells us to fear not.
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“Fear not†is good advice for righteous people—have faith in the Lord.

If you are contemplating robbing a bank, but are afraid of going to prison, then you’d be wise to listen to your fear.
 
elijah23 said:
“Fear not†is good advice for righteous people—have faith in the Lord.

If you are contemplating robbing a bank, but are afraid of going to prison, then you’d be wise to listen to your fear.
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What you stated is not a quality of a "perfect person", . . . . and I hope you can see that.
 
jasoncran said:
sheesh i have live under the power of porn that there was no way i could be set free but the lord. i couldnt stop it and i was its prisoner.

and i fasted and prayed God take it.
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The Lord shows the way, but we have to do the following, don’t we?
 
Deavonreye said:
Let me ask it again. Why don't YOU rob banks?
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There might be two reasons:

First, I try to follow the Lord, and I’m not aware that he wants me to rob a bank.

Second, Jesus said not to steal.
 
elijah23 said:
There might be two reasons:

First, I try to follow the Lord, and I’m not aware that he wants me to rob a bank.

Second, Jesus said not to steal.
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So, what you're saying is that you don't rob banks because you believe that Jesus has told you not to?
 
Deavonreye said:
So, what you're saying is that you don't rob banks because you believe that Jesus has told you not to?
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I don’t want to get into a semantics web. There are at least three reasons not to rob banks:

The Lord has not led me to rob a bank.
The Lord has commanded me not to steal.
I would probably wind up in prison if I robbed a bank.
 
Deavonreye said:
So, what you're saying is that you don't rob banks because you believe that Jesus has told you not to?
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Jesus said if you love me, you will keep my commandments. It is not just about pure obedience, its about love for our Bridegroom.

When we see Christ as our beloved Bridegroom, and we as His cherished Bride perfect in His sight, we will undoubtedly rid ourselves of all sin, and rededicate our lives to loving, and serving our Groom. When we come to the realization of the undying, unending, unexplainable love Christ has for us, we will love Him and others like we did not know was possible.

If we can receive this revelation, of the Bridal Paradigm it will change our lives. If we let this change of perspective root itself in our hearts we will never be the same. Once we know who we are in Christ, the Bride of the King, betrothed to the God that has created all that is, we will remain stedfast, we will crucify our flesh, we will make manifest our Savior, work out our own salvation, purifying ourselves, cleansing ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, we will perfect holiness in the fear of God, we will make ourselves ready for our Bridegroom King. We will adorn ourselves with the righteousness of the saints, clean and white, pure before our God. Sinless, righteous, unblameable, unblemished, without spot or wrinkle. We will shine like the sun, being salt and light to this world, we will walk in all the power, and authority God has always meant for us to walk in. We will happily give up our very lives to remain faithful to our relationship with Him. Once we get this revelation rooted deep in our hearts we will be able to keep God's great commandments to love Him with all our hearts, minds, souls and strength, and love our nieghbors as ourselves. We will be set completely free from the bondage of self and sin, releasing us to fulfill the deepest most heartfelt longing of our hearts which is to stand before God truly pure, totally sinless, completely righteous, wholly holy, fully worthy to be an equally yoked Bride for our Messiah.
 
Unappealing "bride and groom" analogy aside, . . . it seems that what I expected from this question shows an incorrect response "obedience or personal preservation". :nono2
 
watchman F said:
Jesus said if you love me, you will keep my commandments. It is not just about pure obedience, its about love for our Bridegroom.

When we see Christ as our beloved Bridegroom, and we as His cherished Bride perfect in His sight, we will undoubtedly rid ourselves of all sin, and rededicate our lives to loving, and serving our Groom. When we come to the realization of the undying, unending, unexplainable love Christ has for us, we will love Him and others like we did not know was possible.

If we can receive this revelation, of the Bridal Paradigm it will change our lives. If we let this change of perspective root itself in our hearts we will never be the same. Once we know who we are in Christ, the Bride of the King, betrothed to the God that has created all that is, we will remain stedfast, we will crucify our flesh, we will make manifest our Savior, work out our own salvation, purifying ourselves, cleansing ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, we will perfect holiness in the fear of God, we will make ourselves ready for our Bridegroom King. We will adorn ourselves with the righteousness of the saints, clean and white, pure before our God. Sinless, righteous, unblameable, unblemished, without spot or wrinkle. We will shine like the sun, being salt and light to this world, we will walk in all the power, and authority God has always meant for us to walk in. We will happily give up our very lives to remain faithful to our relationship with Him. Once we get this revelation rooted deep in our hearts we will be able to keep God's great commandments to love Him with all our hearts, minds, souls and strength, and love our nieghbors as ourselves. We will be set completely free from the bondage of self and sin, releasing us to fulfill the deepest most heartfelt longing of our hearts which is to stand before God truly pure, totally sinless, completely righteous, wholly holy, fully worthy to be an equally yoked Bride for our Messiah.
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Interesting. Having a revelation of "heaven" does not mean we will achieve what you've stated here in this life. The dearest, oldest, and most mature saints who walk upon this earth, in their humility, would never claim to have achieved what we can only achieve when we've been glorfied after we've left this mortal body behind. Pride in our personal holiness is often the last sin to go.
 
elijah23 said:
I don’t want to get into a semantics web. There are at least three reasons not to rob banks:

The Lord has not led me to rob a bank.
The Lord has commanded me not to steal.
I would probably wind up in prison if I robbed a bank.
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Hopefully the main reason is that as a NEW CREATURE with a renewed mind in Christ, you do not have the slightest desire to thieve.
 
Alabaster said:
Hopefully the main reason is that as a NEW CREATURE with a renewed mind in Christ, you do not have the slightest desire to thieve.
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That's rather a false picture of salvation and the process of sanctification, yes?
 
IMO, "salvation" and "sanctification" should play a diminutive role in why a person shouldn't rob banks, if any.
 
Free said:
That's rather a false picture of salvation and the process of sanctification, yes?
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No. When we accept Jesus Christ as Saviour, we make Him our LORD as well. That involves a CHANGE in our inward selves...only done by the power of God in us in the Person of Holy Spirit, who comes and lives His life in and through us.

That done, we find our desires, thoughts, attitudes, speech and behaviour begin to change, some drastically altered immediately, and others gradually over time as Jesus Christ in us and in others and through His word encourages us, replacing the carnal in us to righteousness.
 
Deavonreye said:
IMO, "salvation" and "sanctification" should play a diminutive role in why a person shouldn't rob banks, if any.
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To those so inclined to such a criminal behaviour, it is THE reason why they change.

The Law is written on everyone's heart. Instinctively, therefore we know the moral law, that stealing and covetousness are wrong. TheLaw has no power to stop us from sinning. It magnifies the sin in us---that is its purpose.

Only through faith in Jesus Christ, can we even have a slight hope of being right with God. It is His power resident within us that effects change in us.
 
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