This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
Join For His Glory for a discussion on how
https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
https://christianforums.net/threads/psalm-70-1-save-me-o-god-lord-help-me-now.108509/
Read through the following study by Tenchi for more on this topic
https://christianforums.net/threads/without-the-holy-spirit-we-can-do-nothing.109419/
Join Sola Scriptura for a discussion on the subject
https://christianforums.net/threads/anointed-preaching-teaching.109331/#post-1912042
While you seem to be abhorrent of even saying one is holy, I think your hate goes deeper than that.
I certainly couldn't thank God for unholiness.
He was indeed the worst of those "saved", as he persecuted the early church.
Yes, including "perfect".
Those who want to serve God will find the way.
What do thy become?
The book of acts, Pauls letters of his comings and goings and sufferings states not only was there no valid charge against him as a sinner rather he was a pillar of the faith. He did rebuke wickedness and promoted righteousness continuously with all including the new churches that were established in Christs name.
Yes. I believe we agree.
Having to STRIVE to keep your conscience clean means you are still capable of sin, hence not reached a sinless state.
Your ad hominem attack reveals that you cannot supply scriptural
Men ought not think primarily of themselves even if thanking God that they aren’t like the other men, sinners.
Since your focus is mainly on how holy you are, the “me first” attitude is still apparent.
Here is another inference of his freedom from sinning..."Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you." (Phil 3:15)
If he wasn't "free from sin" he must have ignored the words he wrote in Rom 6.
I agree.
My answers have been in response to your questions.
What you wrote tells me you are not sinless, just blind to your own sin.
No, your answers turned away from the questions and accuse me of wrong.
Hi, just for the sake of arguement. What do think about this statement:
We have not had our bodies changed...yet...
How is the Father thus Perfect??
He doesn’t require 100% sinlessness. He requires honesty and humility (those two fit together.) In the end, obedience plays a large role.
Hi, my sister...hope all is well this mornting
Yes I agree. There is a character problem with those who boast that they personally have arrived at sinless perfection which is never measured by their actual behavior but determined to be so because they claim some scriptures describe them to be so. The problem is this, those whose lives approach holy think less and less of themselves AT ALL and more about others. This is how Jesus was. Those who claim sinless perfection actually reflect Jesus less than their more humble brethren. That’s my experience with the “I am sinless by faith” crowd. They “thank God they aren’t like other men (sinners.)”Hi, my sister...hope all is well this mornting
If you look at the definition for perfect...yes we want to be found perfect(complete In Him)lacking nothing fully grown mature. And while honestly and humility are characteristics that we should possess. They are more like qualities that are of the path of rightness.
We are called to be holy....
Set Apart for the work of God..
And this takes giving ourselves away so that God can use us.
A person of maturity...a perfect man lacking nothing
My brothers and sisters, 4 consider it nothing but joy 5 when you fall into all sorts of trials, because you know that the testing of your faith produces endurance. And let endurance have its perfect effect, so that you will be perfect and complete, not deficient in anything. But if anyone is deficient in wisdom, he should ask God, who gives to all generously and without reprimand, and it will be given to him. But he must ask in faith without doubting, for the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed around by the wind. For that person must not suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord, since he is a double-minded individual, unstable in all his ways.
Thanks for sharing...I see in my experiences that boasting can come about from some when the foundation is not Jesus, but rather something they must believe to be true, rather than trusting in the one who is true....
You have stopped making sense to me.
Then move on.