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wondering said:
the bible is a magical book.
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there is nothing magical in the Bible all scripture is GOD breathed the Bible in it self is a message .. i have very serious disagreements with the catholic church teachings. i think your a tad bit confused and yes i know this will create a fire storm . to much emphasis made on baptism confession to man . i have family that are catholic you couldn't ask for a nicer type people . there mother was good as Gold but blinded by religion . she married my uncle they started having a family.. at some point time she suffered kidney problems.

she felt it type chastisement getting married to a non catholic . so my uncle who was raised Baptist joined the catholic church. understand there is no advantage to being a Baptist. when it come to salvation .

but the things you posted does not make sense... the Bible is the Good news any one who includes mary as part of worship . or teaches purgatory is in the wrong . we are under the new cov .

Jeremiah 31:31-34
“The days are coming,” declares the Lord,
“when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
32 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to[a] them,[b]”
declares the Lord.
33 “This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
34 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
declares the Lord.
“For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”
 
jerry63935 said:
there is nothing magical in the Bible all scripture is GOD breathed the Bible in it self is a message .. i have very serious disagreements with the catholic church teachings. i think your a tad bit confused and yes i know this will create a fire storm . to much emphasis made on baptism confession to man . i have family that are catholic you couldn't ask for a nicer type people . there mother was good as Gold but blinded by religion . she married my uncle they started having a family.. at some point time she suffered kidney problems.

she felt it type chastisement getting married to a non catholic . so my uncle who was raised Baptist joined the catholic church. understand there is no advantage to being a Baptist. when it come to salvation .

but the things you posted does not make sense... the Bible is the Good news any one who includes mary as part of worship . or teaches purgatory is in the wrong . we are under the new cov .

Jeremiah 31:31-34
“The days are coming,” declares the Lord,
“when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
32 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to[a] them,[b]”
declares the Lord.
33 “This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
34 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
declares the Lord.
“For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”
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Yes. I know about the NC Jerry.
And I agree with you.

I think we're getting this thread mixed up with the one on salvation inside the CC....
however....

Not every Catholic priest believes in purgatory.
They do, however, believe in confession - and I'm not quite sure why, the reasons I've been given are the normal reasons.

Maybe we could speak about the history of confession?
Maybe we could start a thread in THEOLOGY? I'd like to include Cooper .

Baptism is important. Jesus said to believe and to baptize.
Maybe we can't understand why, but we should get baptized. I believe it's to empower us for living the Christian life as best we can and maybe for witnessing.

Mary was very much spoken of in the past...this is not the case anymore.
If someone wants to pray to Mary or to a man that has been declared a saint, there's not too much the CC can do about it. It does not encourage this - but it doesn't discourage it either, on that I can agree with you.

I do think the bible is a magical book...magical because it can save people.
And I don't think I'm confused, but it's OK if you think I am - I am sorry though.
I think I'm pretty clear on what I believe.
 
jerry63935 said:
i fear you are wrong
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You fear I'm wrong about believing the gospel message was not preached for hundreds of years?

When do you think it was preached??

First of all...
what IS the gospel message?
Is it 2 Corinthians 5:17-29 ?
Is it 2 Corinthians 5:10 ?
Is it 1 Corinthians 15:1-8 ?
Some verse in Romans?

And when were these exact verses preached to the normal folk?
 
wondering said:
You fear I'm wrong about believing the gospel message was not preached for hundreds of years?

When do you think it was preached??

First of all...
what IS the gospel message?
Is it 2 Corinthians 5:17-29 ?
Is it 2 Corinthians 5:10 ?
Is it 1 Corinthians 15:1-8 ?
Some verse in Romans?

And when were these exact verses preached to the normal folk?
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the word has to be preached it may not come from a preacher.. but some type word has to be there
 
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wondering said:
You could be ticky.
I don't even know what it means.
Gosh, I've been away a long time.




How can you know that turning to God is not salvation?
Who makes up all these rules anyway?
If I turn to God,,,it is indeed salvation.
If I'm turning away from satan and toward God...what would YOU call it?
Is there a pre-salvation claus somewhere in the NT? Could you lead me to it?

Will check your post 331.


Cornelius was already saved when Peter and company showed up.
Acts 10:1-4
1Now there was a man at Caesarea named Cornelius, a centurion of what was called the Italian cohort,
2a devout man and one who feared God with all his household, and gave many alms to the Jewish people and prayed to God continually.
3About the ninth hour of the day he clearly saw in a vision an angel of God who had just come in and said to him, “Cornelius!”
4And fixing his gaze on him and being much alarmed, he said, “What is it, Lord?” And he said to him, “Your prayers and alms have ascended as a memorial before God.

He was a devout man, one who feared God, taught his household, gave alms and prayed continually.
This does not sound like a saved person to you?

Acts 10:47-48
47“Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?”
48And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days.

Then the Holy Spirit fell on everyone there and they were baptized.
One has to be born again before he can be baptized.


You are definitely posting an ediff version of salvation.
Salvation can come in different ways. God is a big God...He can save anyone He believes worships Him.
There is no special formula, except I did post some beliefs a person must have. Very few.

The friends I posted are not on a journey.
They have arrived, and very much so.

Think of it...you're practically stating who is saved and who is not.
How do You know?
That's a job for God, not us.

A person is saved by Jesus' atonement...
Not a doctrine.

You go so far as to say that the person may have heard of Jesus but does not know He died for their sins.
If I understood correctly...
They don't need to know that Jesus died for their sins...
Once they accept Jesus, they are saved.
No doctrine necessary.


You have plenty of skills.
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Ticky: likes things done in a precise certain way. Hopefully according to scripture.

I will try and cut the length of my posts down.

If Cornelius had been saved the spiritual visions and Peters visit would not have been necessary.

Acts 10:43 kjv
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

We have to somehow get remission / forgiveness of sins to be salvation.

Cornealus would have made a great Jewish person.

eddif
 
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eddif said:
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Ticky: likes things done in a precise certain way. Hopefully according to scripture.

I will try and cut the length of my posts down.

If Cornelius had been saved the spiritual visions and Peters visit would not have been necessary.

Acts 10:53
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Oh.... You mean PICKY!
LOL
There are Northern rednecks too you know!
Mississippi can't claim all of them...

Why?
Can't God pick whoever He wants to pick?
You mean you think God picked Cornelius to save him?

You know me...I'm not going to go on and on trying to convince you Cornelius was already saved...
I think this is common knowledge.

It seems very clear from Acts 10...

letgodbetrue.com

When Was Cornelius Saved?

When Was Cornelius Saved? The Bible tells us more about the salvation of this Italian than any other man but Paul. When was he saved? Did Peter save him by the gospel? by baptism? Instead of listening to uninspired men tell you how they were saved, learn the truth by this inspired account.
letgodbetrue.com letgodbetrue.com
 
wondering said:
Agreed.
Those that diligently seek will eventually find...

My point was that even without the bible it is possible to be saved.

In the old days, some did not hear the gospel message, but were saved anyway.
Jesus died for the whole world.
1 John 2:2
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Would you provide an example?
 
wondering said:
See post 293.
I think it was you actually.

The talk is about repenting.

There's a problem with this word because in our every day language it means TO BE SORRY FOR.

In Christianity's language it means TO CHANGE DIRECTION.

We CHANGE direction and turn toward God only ONE TIME in our decision to follow Him.
We are sorry for our sins...but it is not necessary to change our direction again each time.

When you sin, are you headed toward God?
Or did you decide to become unsaved and walk back toward satan?

JLB wrote a very good post on the above....no. 300
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If there are "each times", the initial repentance is shown to be a lie to God.
We can't build a relationship with God that is based on lies.
 
wondering said:
Agreed.
Those that diligently seek will eventually find...

My point was that even without the bible it is possible to be saved.

In the old days, some did not hear the gospel message, but were saved anyway.
Jesus died for the whole world.
1 John 2:2
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"Jesus died for the whole world," leaving the door wide open for any number of false cults to embroider it at their will.
.
 
wondering said:
My list of 4 is not a formula or from the NT.
It's what needs to be done to be saved BY ANYONE.
Those that have heard the gospel or have not.
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The Bible doesn’t say that. All anybody can know of salvation is found in the word God gave us. Anything else is just wishful thinking. And I wouldn’t want to base my salvation on wishful thinking.
wondering said:
I do agree that it makes being saved MUCH EASIER if someone has heard the gospel.
This is also true about Jesus.

But GOD FATHER can be known only from His creation, as is stated in Romans.
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But Romans doesn’t say we are saved just because we know there is a creator.
wondering said:
Let's remember too that Cornelius knew about God before anyone had spoken to him.
Acts 10:1-2
10 At Caesarea there was a man named Cornelius, a centurion of what was known as the Italian Cohort, 2 a devout man who feared God with all his household, gave alms generously to the people, and prayed continually to God.
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Yes and he needed “words” that would save him and his family.
Acts 11:14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.
If he needed to be saved then that means he was not currently in a saved state.
Also, there have always been gentiles who were faithful, God fearing people. Abraham was a gentile but he knew of God and was faithful even before he was told to pack up and leave. He was obedient to the only law he knew of.
 
wondering said:
See post 293.
I think it was you actually.

The talk is about repenting.

There's a problem with this word because in our every day language it means TO BE SORRY FOR.

In Christianity's language it means TO CHANGE DIRECTION.

We CHANGE direction and turn toward God only ONE TIME in our decision to follow Him.
We are sorry for our sins...but it is not necessary to change our direction again each time.

When you sin, are you headed toward God?
Or did you decide to become unsaved and walk back toward satan?

JLB wrote a very good post on the above....no. 300
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Rethink your thinking
 
eddif said:
IMHO Those who died in faith (in the old days) went into Abraham’s bosom. In the grave (prison) Jesus made a visit and preached to them the gospel. At the resurrection all saved are saved by belief in what Jesus did on the cross. There is but one way to salvation. One gate Jesus. One sacrifice Jesus.

Jesus fulfilled all the law.

The friends of Job did not speak the truth. There is no intelligence in man that saves him.

eddif
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Hi..
Was just thinking of Vernon McGee commentary
He said something like...the Gospel was preached in Noah's Day by Noah by the Spirit of Christ.
So did Jesus descend to set those in Abraham's bosom free... after His resurrection?
 
eddif said:
Hebrews 6:1 kjv
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

Hebrews 6:2 kjv
Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

MHebrews 6:3 kjv
And this will we do, if God permit.

Hebrews 6:4
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

Hebrews 6:5
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

Hebrews 6:5
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
………
There are foundations of Christ Jesus, and experiences.

Creation
Jewish knowledge of God
Know you are a sinner through law

These exist but I can not organize them:
Receive quickening spirit (open door)
Baptism in Holy Spirit

Salvation is through the belief in Jesus Christ.

There are foundations and realities of experience. Can I order them exactly? Maybe not.

Hebrews 6 does a good job, but my ears must not hear the order, and this is more especially to the Jewish part of the one new man.

We are not all called to the same point. Where each of us is …….,?

eddif
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Do you think the Baptism of The Holy Dpirit happens at regeneration? When one believes?
 
Runmyramble said:
Hi..
Was just thinking of Vernon McGee commentary
He said something like...the Gospel was preached in Noah's Day by Noah by the Spirit of Christ.
So did Jesus descend to set those in Abraham's bosom free... after His resurrection?
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You know rednecks struggle with symbolism.
..,,,

If at creation seeds were made. Inside a seed is all the information for growth. That symbolism was applied / paralleled to the Word of God by Jesus.

In him we live and move and have our being. Now and in the world to come.

In the ark Noah lived and had his being.

It gets down to:
That makes sense.
Or
It does not say exactly that.

So I would think Noah’s message was sort of parallel to the way to avoid bad news with a solution
(Good news).

If a seed is equal to the Word of God and the Ground is men’s hearts, a person could see the symbolism.
…..
Abraham’s bosom folks were:
Preached to (spiritual message)
given a white robe and told to wait awhile longer. (Scripture jump)

Again
Does the Bible say exactly that? No not exactly that.

Muzzling an ox treading out corn was applied to:
Good elder
Plowman
Planter
Harvester

All this is based on liberty.
2 Corinthians 3:17 kjv
17. Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Mississippi redneck
eddif
 
Runmyramble said:
Do you think the Baptism of The Holy Dpirit happens at regeneration? When one believes?
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That there question is loaded with double ought rules of interpretation.

Well at least it says (do you think).

I guess: LOL
Acts 8:14 kjv
14. Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
15. Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:

Acts 2:38 kjv
38. Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:44 kjv
44. While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

The Jews seem slow to receive, But by the time the Gentile inclusion it
Seems to happen right then.

What do you think?

eddif
 
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