Biblical Literalism

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I don't hate anyone. It is not hate of others to point out their folly. It is not Christian to deny equal rights. It is not Christian to hold up signs that say God hates Fags. The united states has been getting lower and lower in international rankings in science education, and education in general. Why is that? I think it has to do, at least somewhat, to the increase in biblical literalism, and young earthers. Why should a child pay attention in school if all they hear in church is that what they are learning is a lie? They will remain uneducated.

It has nothing to do with taking the Bible literally and everything to do with a poor educational system. And to say that churches teach children that what they learn in school is a lie, is well, incorrect, to say the least.

It is not Christian to hold up signs that say God hates Fags.

No, it isn't, and no true Christian would do that. Have you looked into the group that does that? (Is that the one lead by Phelps?) They are all basically a family that has formed its own sect, lead by the father. That is always a recipe for disaster. Those are precisely the children who will remain ignoramuses due to the false teachings of their father. Don't conclude from that that Christians do that sort of thing.

The only higher education is the wisdom that comes from God.

Or from technical school or college or university...

The secular world wants nothing better than for homosexuals to go straight to hell.

Uh, no. The secular world doesn't believe in hell. And they often treat people in a kinder way than many Christians.

 

[Heidi]

Or from technical school or college or university.

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And which words of the humans in those universities will last forever? None. So sorry, but as Psalm 146:3 says; "Do not put your trust in princes or mortal men who cannot save. When their spirit departs they return to the ground and their actions come to nothing." What you learn in universities is a chasing after the wind because you won't hear them ever in eternity.

I know the secular world doesn't believe in hell. They believe they're omniscient enough to know what happens after they die. So they gamble with their own souls and the souls of others that they are right and God is wrong. That delusion only leads people to hell. Sorry. ;)

 

[Free]

So sorry, but as Psalm 146:3 says; "Do not put your trust in princes or mortal men who cannot save. When their spirit departs they return to the ground and their actions come to nothing."

Nice twist.

What you learn in universities is a chasing after the wind because you won't hear them ever in eternity.

Wow!

 

[Heidi]

So sorry, but as Psalm 146:3 says; "Do not put your trust in princes or mortal men who cannot save. When their spirit departs they return to the ground and their actions come to nothing."

Nice twist.

What you learn in universities is a chasing after the wind because you won't hear them ever in eternity.

Wow!

So where does scripture say that the words of mortal men will last forever? :o Or don't you rely of scripture as your final authority, but instead, the opinions of fallible human beings that will die when they die?

1 John 4;5, "They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world and the world listens to them. We are from God and whoever is from God listens to us. Whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood."

Secular universities are ruled by Satan, not God. Satan is the father of lies and thus is coming from the spirit of falsehood and so are worldly people who belong to the world. So, do you belong to the world or have you been chosen out of the world? Jesus tells us you can't be both in John 15:19.

 

[wavy]

Secular universities are ruled by Satan, not God.

Wowzers!

Anyway, for the user who said if there was no Noah then there would be no Jesus, obviously they didn't consider the possibility of Jesus, as a real historical person, having a fictional genealogy...with fictional persons in it.

Finis,
Eric

 

[Free]

1 John 4;5, "They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world and the world listens to them. We are from God and whoever is from God listens to us. Whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood."

Secular universities are ruled by Satan, not God. Satan is the father of lies and thus is coming from the spirit of falsehood. So, do you belong to the world or do you belong to God? Jesus tells us you can;t be both in John 15:19.

You are totally twisting Scripture. If you were actually into learning, you would know that not only do your statements go completely against the Bible, they go against nearly every Christian theologian, teacher, and thinker in Christian history.

Who do you think came up with the idea of higher education? On what premises is modern science based?

A year and a half since your last post and you haven't changed a bit.

 

[Heidi]

Sorry, but I just quoted scripture. ;) You either believe it or you don't. So, do you know who the world is and what the difference is between being in the world and being chosen out of the world? or not? :gah

 

[Heidi]

Modern scientists change their minds with the seasons. Their most common phrase is; "We now know that what we once thought was true is not true." That's why today's science will be archaic to tomorrow's science and tomorrow's science will be archaic to the science of the future and on and on until the world ends. that's because scientists don't know the truth which is why they're constantly in search of it because they're looking to their human imaginations rather than to God Himself. ;)

Or do you believe that scientists are omniscient gods? :gah Apparently so. Sorry, but Jesus tells us in MT. 23:10 that we have one teacher and that is Christ. It would be wise for you to believe him because His words never change. ;)

 

[Free]

Modern scientists change their minds with the seasons. Their most common phrase is; "We now know that what we once thought was true is not true." That's why today's science will be archaic to tomorrow's science and tomorrow's science will be archaic to the science of the future. ;)

That doesn't answer the question.

Or do you believe that scientists are omniscient gods? :gah Apparently so. Sorry, but Jesus tells us in MT. 23:10 that we have one teacher and that is Christ. It would be wise for you to believe him. ;)

Hey look, you're as good at understanding me as you are Scripture. At least you're consistent.


Who started higher education? On what premises was modern science founded?

 

[Heidi]

So who do you believe? The secular world, or God's word? There is zero scripture telling us to put our faith in secular humans and a ton of scripture telling us not to. So there's a reason you haven't quoted scripture; because you have no scriptural authority for your beliefs.

You are thus not speaking for God, but on your own. "He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself. But the one who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth. There is nothing false about him."

So sorry, but I'll trust God's words over your words or the words of any man, especially if he belongs to the secular world. ;)

 

[Free]

I have neither the time nor the patience to play this game. You have no answers because you don't know. Your twisting of Scripture and other peoples' statements is there for everyone to see. I am done with this conversation.

 

[jasoncran]

i beleive in the bible and have attend college, i have a votec degree and have no problem with the college system, but i'm aware of the humanist teachings and other things.

To defend no noah no christ, that means that there's no god, no faith, no actual repentence as the one you offend must be, no afterlife, no purpose, why live like that, we came from nothing and go to nothing? Jesus was liar or loon if that's true, think about it then to claim what he did meant death, he know that, if he was a mortal why claim that. He accepted death and knew that he was the son of GOD , and thought it not roberry to call himself equal with the Father.

One cant be a christian and not believe in the diety of christ, Kenmaynard believe what you wish, but i hope you change before death, we all must account before the Father for our own sins.

I have repented, will you

jason

 

[lovely]

Anyway, for the user who said if there was no Noah then there would be no Jesus, obviously they didn't consider the possibility of Jesus, as a real historical person, having a fictional genealogy...with fictional persons in it.

Finis,
Eric

Hi Eric,

If I were an unbeliever, then I would absolutely consider the idea, but don't you think as a one who delcares to be a believer that a fictional genealogy would just cause one to doubt the whole thing? You aren't a believer, and so it's natural for you to doubt coming at it from that perspective. I am sure I would do the same if I didn't believe.

Where does the fiction end and the truth begin? Is Mary fictional, or Ruth? Was David real? Was Abraham? Was Daniel? Is it just Adam and Noah, or is Jacob also fictional? Partly historical and partly ficticious just means part truth and part lie. If part is a lie, then why bother at all because Jesus would simply be a liar, and the apostles too. The books we are talking about lead into Christ, and the Bible doesn't distinguish them as allegorical at all, but rather uses the lineage to point to Christ, our Salvation, as a real man born into our world. Those people, and those events, are full of promises of a Messiah to come, pictures of God, and shadows of things to come, and they are treated as literal throughout...historical. Why do you think that any of those persons mentioned in the geneology be fictional? Paul didn't treat these people and books as figurative. Jesus didn't. Early Christians didn't. Is there something in the texts that points to them being figurative in your mind? I don't see any logical basis for the figurative argument from the text. I was waiting for ken's position to be supported.

The Lord bless you, Eric.

 

[jasoncran]

Modern scientists change their minds with the seasons. Their most common phrase is; "We now know that what we once thought was true is not true." That's why today's science will be archaic to tomorrow's science and tomorrow's science will be archaic to the science of the future. ;)

That doesn't answer the question.

Or do you believe that scientists are omniscient gods? :gah Apparently so. Sorry, but Jesus tells us in MT. 23:10 that we have one teacher and that is Christ. It would be wise for you to believe him. ;)

Hey look, you're as good at understanding me as you are Scripture. At least you're consistent.


Who started higher education? On what premises was modern science founded?

most of the early modern scientst are christians, pavlov, pascal, newton

jason

 

[wavy]

Hi Eric,

Hello, lovely.

If I were an unbeliever, then I would absolutely consider the idea, but don't you think as a one who delcares to be a believer that a fictional genealogy would just cause one to doubt the whole thing? You aren't a believer, and so it's natural for you to doubt coming at it from that perspective. I am sure I would do the same if I didn't believe.

Where does the fiction end and the truth begin? Is Mary fictional, or Ruth? Was David real? Was Abraham? Was Daniel? Is it just Adam and Noah, or is Jacob also fictional? Partly historical and partly ficticious just means part truth and part lie. If part is a lie, then why bother at all because Jesus would simply be a liar, and the apostles too. The books we are talking about lead into Christ, and the Bible doesn't distinguish them as allegorical at all, but rather uses the lineage to point to Christ, our Salvation, as a real man born into our world. Those people, and those events, are full of promises of a Messiah to come, pictures of God, and shadows of things to come, and they are treated as literal throughout...historical. Why do you think that any of those persons mentioned in the geneology be fictional? Paul didn't treat these people and books as figurative. Jesus didn't. Early Christians didn't. Is there something in the texts that points to them being figurative in your mind? I don't see any logical basis for the figurative argument from the text. I was waiting for ken's position to be supported.

The Lord bless you, Eric.

I didn't say anything about Noah, etc., being 'figurative'; just fictional. And you're right: they are treated as historical personalities in the bible, but in my view that just means the bible is wrong on some points, not that what's unhistorical should be interpreted as 'figurative'.

Distinguishing truth from fiction, on the other hand, is a matter of sifting the evidence. Sometimes people/places/events are found to be historical in the bible. Other times they are not.

Finis,
Eric

 

[lovely]

Ah, Eric, you are consistent and clear. As a believer I can't agree that they are fictional, obviously, and Scripture doesn't point to them being figurative, so literal is the only path for me. I appreciate your input, the Lord bless you tonight.

 

[Heidi]

I didn't say anything about Noah, etc., being 'figurative'; just fictional. And you're right: they are treated as historical personalities in the bible, but in my view that just means the bible is wrong on some points, not that what's unhistorical should be interpreted as 'figurative'.

Distinguishing truth from fiction, on the other hand, is a matter of sifting the evidence. Sometimes people/places/events are found to be historical in the bible. Other times they are not.

Sorry but the genealogy from Adam to Noah is not only extremely detailed, but it cannot be disproven. So you have zero reason to claim that Noah is fiction.

In addition, there are accounts of over 200 ancient cultures of a global flood where one family survived even though no one had the bible until the 6th century B.C. The reason; because the descendants of Noah's sons, Ham, Shem and Japheth scattered all over the earth and their accounts with them. There is no other way for those accounts to be spread all over the world. So all the evidence points to Noah being a real person none points away from it. God simply makes clear that he is allowing Satan to blind the eyes of people to the truth of the bible which only the indwelling Holy Spirit can clarify.

 

[Heidi]

I have neither the time nor the patience to play this game. You have no answers because you don't know. Your twisting of Scripture and other peoples' statements is there for everyone to see. I am done with this conversation.

I just quoted scripture. The answers I gave you were from God Himself, but you don't believe them. But I'm flattered that you think that the words in the bible are my words; but they're not. They come from God himself. ;)

So I don't have the patience to listen to beliefs that contradict scripture either. You haven't quoted one scripture telling us to put our faith in man, especially secular human beings. So I agree, this conversation isn't productive since your claims disagree with scripture.

 

[wavy]

Sorry but the genealogy from Adam to Noah is not only extremely detailed, but it cannot be disproven. So you have zero reason to claim that Noah is fiction.

In addition, there are accounts of over 200 ancient cultures of a global flood where one family survived even though no one had the bible until the 6th century B.C. The reason; because Noah's descendants, Ham, Shem and Japheth scattered all over the earth and their accounts with them. There is no other way for those accounts to be spread all over the world. So all the evidence points to Noah being a real person none points away from it. God simply makes clear that he is allowing Satan to blind the eyes of people to the truth of the bible which only the indwelling Holy Spirit can clarify.

You are so left field, but you know what? Anyone who believes secular institutions are governed by Satan simply isn't worth trying to lead to water...Take whatever last word you wish. It'll probably fall on deaf ears. (with good reason)

Finis,
Eric

 

[Heidi]

Sorry but the genealogy from Adam to Noah is not only extremely detailed, but it cannot be disproven. So you have zero reason to claim that Noah is fiction.

In addition, there are accounts of over 200 ancient cultures of a global flood where one family survived even though no one had the bible until the 6th century B.C. The reason; because Noah's descendants, Ham, Shem and Japheth scattered all over the earth and their accounts with them. There is no other way for those accounts to be spread all over the world. So all the evidence points to Noah being a real person none points away from it. God simply makes clear that he is allowing Satan to blind the eyes of people to the truth of the bible which only the indwelling Holy Spirit can clarify.

You are so left field, but you know what? Anyone who believes secular institutions are governed by Satan simply isn't worth trying to lead to water...Take whatever last word you wish. It'll probably fall on deaf ears. (with good reason)

Finis,
Eric

God says that the secular world is ruled by Satan. So you have just judged God...as if it even harms him even one bit. So it's you who's in for a rude awakening on judgment day. ;)

It's secular scientists who like to make up one story after another about the past. let's see, we have monkeys, no apes, no some unknown beast whose descendants turned into people. Then we have an ice age, no 2, no 3, now it's 4 ice ages, who knows how many there will be in the future? Their stories are as tall as fish stories where the fish are t-h-i-s big. They themselves can't even get their stories straight. :crazy