Bible Study But Election Isn't Fair!

[LeviR]

Yes it is your opinion,just because you quote a scripture doesnt ensure you understand it

I understand that Adam was sentenced to return to where he came from.

I also understand that Adam was not sentenced to spiritual death.

But not only that, no one is said to be spiritually dead in scripture.

That’s the option. Go with what God said and you can’t go wrong.
Go with what man says and you’re sure to go wrong.

 

[brightfame52]

I understand that Adam was sentenced to return to where he came from.

I also understand that Adam was not sentenced to spiritual death.

But not only that, no one is said to be spiritually dead in scripture.

That’s the option. Go with what God said and you can’t go wrong.
Go with what man says and you’re sure to go wrong.

Again it is your opinion, just because you quote a scripture doesnt ensure you understand it

 

[LeviR]

Again it is your opinion, just because you quote a scripture doesnt ensure you understand it

The reason Jesus didn’t speak his own words or teach his own doctrines or do his own will was because if he testified of himself his testimony would not be true.

How arrogant is it of a man to speak his own words and say they are God’s words.

We have the scripture to defend what God has said against those who bring their on words and ideas into scripture and say it’s what God said.

 

[LeviR]

Has God ever said anyone was “spiritually dead”?

No, He has not. NOT ONCE!

 

[brightfame52]

The reason Jesus didn’t speak his own words or teach his own doctrines or do his own will was because if he testified of himself his testimony would not be true.

How arrogant is it of a man to speak his own words and say they are God’s words.

We have the scripture to defend what God has said against those who bring their on words and ideas into scripture and say it’s what God said.

Again it is your opinion, just because you quote a scripture doesnt ensure you understand it

 

[LeviR]

Again it is your opinion, just because you quote a scripture doesnt ensure you understand it

That’s why I allow the scripture to inform me. So that I do understand it.

The scripture informed me that God had told Adam that on the day he ate the fruit he would surely die.

The day Adam ate the fruit God told Adam he was taken from the dust and to it he would return.

That’s not my opinion.

An opinion would be to say Adam spiritually died on the day he ate the fruit.

That’s an opinion of a man.

What I’m saying is not my opinion. It’s exactly what God said.

 

[brightfame52]

That’s why I allow the scripture to inform me. So that I do understand it.

The scripture informed me that God had told Adam that on the day he ate the fruit he would surely die.

The day Adam ate the fruit God told Adam he was taken from the dust and to it he would return.

That’s not my opinion.

An opinion would be to say Adam spiritually died on the day he ate the fruit.

That’s an opinion of a man.

What I’m saying is not my opinion. It’s exactly what God said.

Again it is your opinion, just because you quote a scripture doesnt ensure you understand it

 

[LeviR]

Again it is your opinion, just because you quote a scripture doesnt ensure you understand it

Not only am I sure I understand it, but I can prove it.

Not with my own words but with God’s words.

Just as I already have done.

I don’t need to add one single word of my own. The words are already there.

But you can’t prove it to someone else unless they agree with God’s words.

So all I can do is point out God’s own words.

God’s own words are foolishness to those who don’t believe His own words.

 

[brightfame52]

Not only am I sure I understand it, but I can prove it.

Not with my own words but with God’s words.

Just as I already have done.

I don’t need to add one single word of my own. The words are already there.

But you can’t prove it to someone else unless they agree with God’s words.

So all I can do is point out God’s own words.

God’s own words are foolishness to those who don’t believe His own words.

Again it is your opinion, just because you quote a scripture doesnt ensure you understand it

 

[brightfame52]

LeviR

The scripture informed me that God had told Adam that on the day he ate the fruit he would surely die.

Okay so did he die on the day he ate ? Yes or no Gen 2:17

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

 

[LeviR]

LeviR



Okay so did he die on the day he ate ? Yes or no Gen 2:17

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

He was as good as dead. It was certain he would die.
The death sentence was pronounced against him on that day.
He was a dead man walking from that point forward. Up until the day he returned to where he came from.

To say “the wages of sin is death”, does not mean spiritual death. It means to die and return to the earth.
So, if someone is said to be dead in trespasses and sin, they are bound to die. Which means they are bound to return to the earth.

 

[LeviR]

LeviR



Okay so did he die on the day he ate ? Yes or no Gen 2:17

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

To say Adam would “surely die” makes the penalty of dying certain.
And the penalty was to return to where he came from.

 

[brightfame52]

LeviR

He was as good as dead. It was certain he would die.

So then you are saying that he didn't die on/in that day he ate as God said he would. Correct. Lets read Gen 2:17

17;But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not [fn]eat, for on the day that you eat from it you will certainly die.”NASB

 

[LeviR]

LeviR



So then you are saying that he didn't die on/in that day he ate as God said he would. Correct. Lets read Gen 2:17

17;But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not [fn]eat, for on the day that you eat from it you will certainly die.”NASB

See post #192

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[electedbyHim]

LeviR



So then you are saying that he didn't die on/in that day he ate as God said he would. Correct. Lets read Gen 2:17

17;But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not [fn]eat, for on the day that you eat from it you will certainly die.”NASB

That is spiritual death.

 

[brightfame52]

See post #192

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See you doing all that big talk about believing exactly what Gods word says, now look at you. Did Adam die in the day he ate as God stated ? Yes or No Gen 2:17

but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

 

[LeviR]

That is spiritual death.

See you doing all that big talk about believing exactly what Gods word says, now look at you. Did Adam die in the day he ate as God stated ? Yes or No Gen 2:17

but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

The problem with taking verses out of context is that one can make it say whatever they want it to say.

You are completely ignoring the pronouncement of the penalty of death, and what it meant that Adam would surely die.

You are looking only at part of the text. The part which says Adam would die on the day he ate the fruit. And then you’re suggesting he died spiritually.

People take verses out of context all the time. So they can make it say whatever they want it to say.
Which is the case with the idea of “spiritual death”.

No mention of “spiritual death” from cover to cover. It’s an idea that was added to a verse taken out of context.

 

[electedbyHim]

The problem with taking verses out of context is that one can make it say whatever they want it to say.

You are completely ignoring the pronouncement of the penalty of death, and what it meant that Adam would surely die.

You are looking only at part of the text. The part which says Adam would die on the day he ate the fruit. And then you’re suggesting he died spiritually.

People take verses out of context all the time. So they can make it say whatever they want it to say.
Which is the case with the idea of “spiritual death”.

No mention of “spiritual death” from cover to cover. It’s an idea that was added to a verse taken out of context.

Genesis 2:17

surely die. To die has the basic idea of separation. It can mean spiritual separation, physical separation, and/or eternal separation. At the moment of their sin, Adam and Eve died spiritually but, because God was merciful, they did not die physically until later (Gen_5:5). There is no reason given for this prohibition, other than it was a test (see note on Gen_2:9). There was nothing magical about that tree, but eating from it after it had been forbidden by God would indeed give man the knowledge of evil—since evil can be defined as disobeying God. Man already had the knowledge of good.

 

[brightfame52]

The problem with taking verses out of context is that one can make it say whatever they want it to say.

You are completely ignoring the pronouncement of the penalty of death, and what it meant that Adam would surely die.

You are looking only at part of the text. The part which says Adam would die on the day he ate the fruit. And then you’re suggesting he died spiritually.

People take verses out of context all the time. So they can make it say whatever they want it to say.
Which is the case with the idea of “spiritual death”.

No mention of “spiritual death” from cover to cover. It’s an idea that was added to a verse taken out of context.

See you doing all that big talk about believing exactly what Gods word says, now look at you. Did Adam die in the day he ate as God stated ? Yes or No Gen 2:17

but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

 

[LeviR]

See you doing all that big talk about believing exactly what Gods word says, now look at you. Did Adam die in the day he ate as God stated ? Yes or No Gen 2:17

but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

i am believing it because on the day Adam ate the fruit was the day he would surely die.
On that very day it was certain he would die.
And so God told Adam what would happen. Adam was made from dust and would return to it.