But It Doesn't Say That In The Bible!!!!!

[Gary]

I came to found out that when we get fixed ideas, we loose the story and when we loose the story, we loose the intent. When we loose the intent, we become judgmental of others and if left unchecked, I honestly believe it leads to self righteousness.

That also happens when people inject themselves into the middle of conversations without understanding the context of what is being said.

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[reba]

Joh_15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

 

[Gary]

Joh_15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Absolutely.

1 Corinthians 3
6 I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase.
7 So then neither he who plants is anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase.


2 Timothy 2
24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient,
25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth,
26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.



God chooses us, we don't choose Him.

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[reba]

Jos_24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Balance

 

[Gary]

Jos_24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Balance

What do you mean by balance?

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[reba]

Joh_15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
Jos_24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
Both Verses are the Word of God some how they 'balance'....

 

[stovebolts]

That also happens when people inject themselves into the middle of conversations without understanding the context of what is being said.

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Ohhh, I don't think my heart was in any of those places. But I am man enough to try and expose my own errors when I see them. Thus, sharing where my own confusion stemmed.
But just to be clear, I quoted your very first post as a new conversation with YOU. By my own lack of reading the entire thread, I caused my own confusion which I plainly admit. I don't pretend to be perfect and I won't try to be either.

Thank's be to God who rescues me! And thank you for that reminder.

 

[eddif]

Jos_24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Balance

II Corinthians 8:9
9 As it is written, He that had gathered much had nothing over; and he that had gathered little had no lack.

II Corinthians 8:14
14 But by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may be a supply for their want, that their abundance also may be a supply for your want: that there may be equality:
15 As it is written, He that had gathered much had nothing over; and he that had gathered little had no lack.

Hebrews 11:40
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

Ephesians 2:15
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, eventhe law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

You need balance to walk uprightly. The cerebellum (arbor vita) is used in body balance. The New Jerusalem has a tree planted on either side of the river. Gentiles on one side of Jordan, and Jewish persons on the other (?). The spiritual promised land has balance / equality.

I have been set up. LOL

eddif

 

[Cturtle]

what of the story of Saul/Paul
Peter and company was just fishing

I would n't say God only does this or that only one way...

I believe that Jesus beacons all of us. Just as He did to paul and peter. He knows just how to speak to and reach each and every one of us. It is then up to us to listen, and receive or reject. However i do think (and have experienced) the Lord prompting me, and nudging me, trying to get my attention for quite some time, even though i was pushing away those promptings. I finally gave in and it was all character building school from there.

 

[Cturtle]

All of'um.

You know the one. The one where Peter calls out to Jesus, pleading with the Lord to save him.

Matthew 14....(KJV)
30 But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me.
31 And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?

Matthew 14....(ASV)
30 But when he saw the wind, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried out, saying, Lord, save me.
31 And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and took hold of him, and saith unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?

Matthew 14....(YLT)
30 but seeing the wind vehement, he was afraid, and having begun to sink, he cried out, saying, `Sir, save me.'
31 And immediately Jesus, having stretched forth the hand, laid hold of him, and saith to him, `Little faith! for what didst thou waver?'



Notice that each of these versions has Peter calling out and asking to be saved before Jesus acts.

My point?

Jesus just doesn't reach out and save someone without an indication from the individual that they want to be saved. It doesn't work like that.

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God is a gentleman, and doesn't force anyone to accept his promptings.

 

[Fish Catcher Jim]

Now that does not make sense.

Hebrews 11:1;
"Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance in what we do not see".

How can you put the words doubt and fear into this sentence and have it make sense?
How can you make it sound the opposite of this statement.
You'll have to be mighty creative.
Therefore, your point is not valid.

I am not sure what you feel is not valid.....
I know what faith is according to Hebrews and the word of God.
What is fear?
If you fear something you have FAITH in it. That is what I said.......
If you did not have faith in it then how could it be fear or how can fear bother you ?

 

[Cturtle]

Now that does not make sense.

Hebrews 11:1;
"Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance in what we do not see".

How can you put the words doubt and fear into this sentence and have it make sense?
How can you make it sound the opposite of this statement.
You'll have to be mighty creative.
Therefore, your point is not valid.

Rollo, question? What is the meaning of Faith (dictionary meaning) it's complete trust or confidence in someone or something.

Now the meaning of fear is an unpleasant emotion caused by the belief that someone or something is dangerous, likely to cause pain, or a threat.
So the commonality is that we believe that something or someone can help or hurt us right?
Hebrews 11:1 says that "Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance in what we do not see". We as believers choose to put our Faith in our Lord Jesus to save us. And the world puts their Faith in (whatever they choose).
If Faith is complete trust or confidence in someone or something, and fear can be said as complete trust or confidence in something or someone that can hurt me. In your mind could that be the same thing?
Blessings!

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Rollo, question? What is the meaning of Faith (dictionary meaning) it's complete trust or confidence in someone or something.

Now the meaning of fear is an unpleasant emotion caused by the belief that someone or something is dangerous, likely to cause pain, or a threat.
So the commonality is that we believe that something or someone can help or hurt us right?
Hebrews 11:1 says that "Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance in what we do not see". We as believers choose to put our Faith in our Lord Jesus to save us. And the world puts their Faith in (whatever they choose).
If Faith is complete trust or confidence in someone or something, and fear can be said as complete trust or confidence in something or someone that can hurt me. In your mind could that be the same thing?
Blessings!

It seems to me that fear is the lack of trust in something.
Your lack of faith is what brings on fear.

 

[Blake]

So, then, brethren stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter. (2 Thess. 2:15) -- Paul does not confirm the stance on sola scriptura.

Matthew 2:23 says that "He shall be called a Nazarene" which was an oral tradition passed down through the prophets. There's no mention of that prophecy written in the Old Testament. This prophecy is extra-Biblical.

 

[eddif]

Joh_15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
Jos_24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
Both Verses are the Word of God some how they 'balance'....

Getting Balance Through Inner Change

When a Natural Gentile is grafted in you get a Rahab Principle. She still lied to achieve good (her outer man - LOL) supported God's chosen People, but her inner man (?).

Gentiles grafted into the good root still need inner workings changed. In fact Jesus thought the Disciples needed the Holy Spirit inside them.

The only way my inner man changes is supernaturally. If we look at grafting, and I am no expert here. We usually take a good tree graft and place it on a lesser root stock. We have no way to change the inner genetics. If we place a poor graft on good root stock we get a lot of poor fruit (no genetic change),

Gentiles grafted in without the Holy Spirit are a source of terrible fruit. Jewish people without the Holy Spirit yield (Peter 's rebukes). Jewish changed Peter (with the Holy Spirit) has people healed when his shadow falls on them.

Balance? Change? Equality? We need each other to become this one new man. The freeman is a slave to Christ. The freeman should not yell at the bondman demanding more religious service. Understanding (knowledge, wisdom, understanding, love), is needed to deal with life (physical and spiritual) ( symbol and ultimate eternal reality).

My natural nature is for self. Me, my projects, etc.; if I have any change it comes from God.

Grafting. Father give us good fruit. One new man, balance. Way more than a redneck, Mississippi, jerk, can handle.
Romans 7:25


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[Rollo Tamasi]

So, then, brethren stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter. (2 Thess. 2:15) -- Paul does not confirm the stance on sola scriptura.

Matthew 2:23 says that "He shall be called a Nazarene" which was an oral tradition passed down through the prophets. There's no mention of that prophecy written in the Old Testament. This prophecy is extra-Biblical.

That's quite interesting.
Never knew that.
I just keep learning things all the time.

 

[eddif]

So, then, brethren stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter. (2 Thess. 2:15) -- Paul does not confirm the stance on sola scriptura.

Matthew 2:23 says that "He shall be called a Nazarene" which was an oral tradition passed down through the prophets. There's no mention of that prophecy written in the Old Testament. This prophecy is extra-Biblical.

This ( while not absolute) is interesting.
http://bibleq.net/answer/2051/

eddif

 

[Cturtle]

It seems to me that fear is the lack of trust in something.
Your lack of faith is what brings on fear.

If fear is the lack of trust in something, maybe it would be good to define trust. Which is the belief that someone or something is reliable, good, honest, effective, etc. What if we trust our friend that says, don't eat that berry or whatever, cuz it will hurt us? Now does mean that we trust that, that berry will hurt us and thus it becomes our belief? See in the previous sentence trust cannot be used because it means a good thing. Then it might be better to say we have Faith (complete trust or confidence) in our friends words. And we have fear (unpleasant emotion caused by the belief that someone or something is dangerous) that the berry will hurt us. Fear is the negative side of Faith.

Another word that maybe would be good to define is something. And what are we not putting our faith in that brings about fear?

 

[Fish Catcher Jim]

It seems to me that fear is the lack of trust in something.
Your lack of faith is what brings on fear.

Rollo Hi,
Can it be said that Faith is also Believing
Fear then could say sacred, afraid, doubtful so on

Now when I first said Fear is faith in something you did not understand what I ment.
Example......big wild dog snarling at your feet ready to pounce on you and eat you alive.
Now are you scared ? If so then you must "believe" that this wild dog can hurt you.
So if you believe it can hurt you then you have Faith in this wild dog as to it can hurt you.
If you were not afraid of this dog then you would have no fear and faith that it can not hurt you.

We use faith everyday without even thinking about it, faith that the lite switch will turn on the light and faith that when I sit in this chair it will hold me. Now you dont have to activate this faith because it comes natural and this is because you have sat in enough chairs to know or (believe) it will hold you. Brother that is Faith in that chair.

Now if you have ever stuck your finger in a light socket you know and have learned it will hurt you bad.
Now then this can also be seen as fear of the light socket if some one were to try and stick your finger in it. I mean You would be fighting against that for sure....Why because you beleive or know or have FAITH in the fact that the light socket will hurt you.

This is what I was saying when I said fear of it is faith in it....That is why our enemy the devil uses fear so much..
If he the devil can get you to fear enough it destorts YOUR FAITH in God's word because Fear is faith in what ever you fear.....Fear can stop your Faith in God....That is what I was meaning......
I hope this makes more sence to you.
God Bless and have a wonderful week
Jim

 

[eddif]

What about fear?
Luke 12:5
5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

Matthew 10:28
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Proverbs 9:10
10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy isunderstanding.

Jude 1:20
20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
23 And others save with fear, pullingthem out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

I have been in churches that keep you in fear. I have been in churches who try to deny the use of fear.

Godly fear?:
Using fear to move some people towards God.

Compassion works for other people

Not every person seems to be the same. What works for some will not be approiate for others. Understanding the need of a particular person is beyond my natural abilities. Using fear on someone who needs compassion will not work. I feel like a bull in a china shop at times (without a clue destroying delicate things). God has used compassion on me and brought me to tears, when I thought I needed a fear lesson. I wonder what Peter thought when Jesus said (but I have prayed for you)?

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