Strengthening families through biblical principles.
Focus on the Family addresses the use of biblical principles in parenting and marriage to strengthen the family.
Read daily articles from Focus on the Family in the Marriage and Parenting Resources forum.
Absent from the body present with the Lord , is the biblical standard for believers , the moment they die.No, as the final judgement has yet to take place.
Absent from the body present with the Lord , is the biblical standard for believers , the moment they die.
2Co 5:8
"We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord."
The unsaved are not present with the Lord when they die
I am surprised that you were not aware of this basic truth.
You misread it.Absent from the body present with the Lord , is the biblical standard for believers , the moment they die.
2Co 5:8
"We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord."
True, but neither are the converted.The unsaved are not present with the Lord when they die
You changed the parameters of the post.I am surprised that you were not aware of this basic truth.
Absent from the body present with the Lord , is the biblical standard for believers , the moment they die.
2Co 5:8
"We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord."
The unsaved are not present with the Lord when they die
I am surprised that you were not aware of this basic truth.
Do you really believe that Jesus lied to a dying man ?You misread it.
Of course it is better to be out of the body and present with the Lord, but you are adding that it is an immediate event.
A day of judgement will occur first, at the return of the Lord with His angels.
True, but neither are the converted.
I Don't .
I question why some of God's most beloved children who failed to "get up & repent" are now in Heaven instead of awaiting transfer to hell , as you seem to suggest God should do with them ?
Not in the way you describe the requirement :>>>Are you saying David didn't repent?
What do you think these verses say:
2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
2Ti 3:17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work. (ESV)
What does it mean that “All Scripture is breathed out by God”?
Please answer the question:
Are you saying that Satan does "believe in God (or Jesus) in the sense of making him Lord of his life and trusting in him for salvation?" If so, then give Scripture to support this.
And what does this have to do with salvation? What does John 3:16 say about salvation?
Where does Jesus say that? Where does Paul say that?
Again, this is where 2 Tim 3:16-17 come in.
Not really. I suggest reading Matt 7:15-20 again.
A bad tree is, by definition, someone who is a false teacher or false prophet; someone who is false and they only bear bad fruit.
That is why they get thrown into the fire. If works saved, then a bad tree would have to bear good fruit, but Jesus says good fruit comes only from a good tree. So, the tree has to already be good in order to bear good fruit.
Is it being completely truthful to only quote a part of what someone says, so that it appears they said something different?
Nope.Do you really believe that Jesus lied to a dying man ?
Luk 23:43
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Yes , it is a very manifest fact, biblically speaking.Nope.
Jesus won't break a promise.
Where are we promised immediate presence with God after our vessel's death ?
Please provide the verses saying that.Yes , it is a very manifest fact, biblically speaking.
Is that promise made to every repentant man ?Luk 23:43
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Of course Paul is right about which is better, but he doesn't mention the time between or deaths and the return of Christ when we will be raised from the dead.2Co 5:8
"We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord."
Yes, to everyone that is Saved.Is that promise made to every repentant man ?
One reason is that nobody, (apart from anyone who received the same promise as the crucified thief), IS saved until after their name is found in the book of life on the last day.Luk 23:43
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Yes, to everyone that is Saved.
Why you would think it would not apply to all who are Saved ?
I've never heard this .One reason is that nobody, (apart from anyone who received the same promise as the crucified thief), IS saved until after their name is found in the book of life on the last day.
All those who believe Jesus' words in Matt 7:22-23.I've never heard this .
What denomination teaches this ?
The grave.So then where do they go until the last day ?
One reason is that nobody, (apart from anyone who received the same promise as the crucified thief), IS saved until after their name is found in the book of life on the last day.
I've never heard this .
What denomination teaches this ?
So then where do they go until the last day ?
Who do they see in " the grave " ?All those who believe Jesus' words in Matt 7:22-23.
The grave.
According to 1 Thes. 4-Paul, it is the dead in Christ.Who do they see in " the grave " ?
Who do they see in " the grave " ?
Not being able to move around much in a grave space would be somewhat limiting wouldn't it ?According to 1 Thes. 4-Paul, it is the dead in Christ.
But really, all the dead.
Why do you think the bible calls a grave a pit, or a prison ? (1 Peter 3:19)Not being able to move around much in a grave space would be somewhat limiting wouldn't it ?
I am still alive, so I have no idea.So will we be able to see all the dead people in the cemetery from our grave space ?
Or just people in the graves right next to us ?